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Brighton Sky Blue

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No. 100 calories of one food can be be very different to 100 calories of another food. How they’re made up, where they’re coming from- the days of just going by calories went out years ago, our knowledge is much better now. Counting calories is a waste (and a very nasty slog) unless you know how those calories are comprised. Modern & really successful methods don’t really even take calories into account too much. It’s good for mindset & discipline at the start, but once you’ve started & got a little momentum you really needn’t bother to track them.
It’s true that it takes different amounts of energy to digest food with different macronutrient composition. However-if my body burns a total of 2500 calories, and I eat 4000 calories, where does the extra energy go? Thin air?

Similarly, if I eat 1500, but need 2500 to do all my body needs to do, where does it get the missing energy from?
 

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Skybluekyle

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It’s true that it takes different amounts of energy to digest food with different macronutrient composition. However-if my body burns a total of 2500 calories, and I eat 4000 calories, where does the extra energy go? Thin air?

Similarly, if I eat 1500, but need 2500 to do all my body needs to do, where does it get the missing energy from m?
Whenever you notice something like that...a wizard did it
 

Sky Blue Pete

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I see what Shmmeee is saying, about society enabling the causes of obesity but, as you say, you have to accept personal responsibility, and I say this as a fat guy.

I am fat because I drink too much fizzy pop, and I am trying to cut down on that, but it's my fault, no-one else's.
Shmmee is talking society not personally
 

Sky Blue Pete

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Wait, sorry, but I was talking about societal causes for obesity, but talking personally about personal responsibility.

I wasn't trying to insinuate Shmmeee was talking personally as I don't know him. Hope that makes sense!
Sorry I know your weren’t others were making it a little personal

it’s a common thing where people think just cause they’ve sorted one area of their life they can point to others and say well you’re shit at that and then forget about the areas of their lives where they do struggle

There’s an old saying about don’t throw stones in glass houses that we should all remind ourselves of now and again
 

Skybluekyle

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Sorry I know your weren’t others were making it a little personal

it’s a common thing where people think just cause they’ve sorted one area of their life they can point to others and say well you’re shit at that and then forget about the areas of their lives where they do struggle

There’s an old saying about don’t throw stones in glass houses that we should all remind ourselves of now and again
Right, gotcha. Sorry for any confusion.

Couldn't agree more with that.

We've all got our own shit, despite detesting people in general, it's best just not to be a c**t, is my adage.
 

StrettoBoy

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The Sue Gray fiasco just about cements this government’s place in history as having made the most shambolic start by a new government ever.

Oh well, as someone once said “Things can only get better”. I’m not optimistic though, at least while Starmer is in charge. As we all suspected, he is a man who has no clear principles.
 

chiefdave

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Think part of the problem here is people use calories in calories out interchangeably with eat less move more when they most definitely aren't the same thing. That's before you even consider CICO is itself a simplification of EBE.

Are there people who eat too much and / or eat the wrong things. Absolutely there is and that's an ever increasing number of people. But there's also decades, and a multi-billion pound industry, of telling people to 'eat less, move more' which has been a failure on a scale that just wouldn't be accepted for treatment of any other issue.

Even if you believe that is the answer and every single person who is overweight is just lazy and unmotivated then you still come down to the same situation. We've got an ever increasing number of people off work with long term illnesses. Just this morning I read a report that in the current generation of people in their 50s health issues are dominated by obesity related illnesses on an unprecedented scale.

The end result of that will be the number of people not working due to obesity will continue to increase, the cost to the NHS will continue to increase, the number of people requiring NHS treatment and taking up capacity in the system will increase. Why would we decide that is the best route when we could adopt widespread use of a treatment proven to work. Even health insurance companies in the US have realised that its in their best financial interest to cover this type of treatment on insurance rather than have to pick up the bill for all the obesity related conditions.

We're basically saying we want more people to have lifelong health conditions where they will be unable to work, at huge cost to the taxpayer, based on a moral stance. Not sure how that makes sense on any level.
 

Nick

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Oh if an injection can massively help with weight loss which means people will overall be healthier / more active etc then why not roll it out?
 

wingy

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Oh if an injection can massively help with weight loss which means people will overall be healthier / more active etc then why not roll it out?
Because you'll turn into machines, not yet but if that's a solution then that's where we're heading as a race, but I'm not modern or going to be around to see it, I have a daughter and a step daughter and a sister in law who would all benifit from this, all have reduced the level to svelte figures, only to come back to this state it's heartbreaking to see, so I'm going to about face and say go get it, but the consequences are there and it's a journey that will come without control imo, but every generation ends up with this conclusion, it's called progress!
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Oh if an injection can massively help with weight loss which means people will overall be healthier / more active etc then why not roll it out?
If you’re willing to fund a lifetime of these injections to control the eating habits of hundreds of millions worldwide then sure
 

shmmeee

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The excuses you're coming out with are mind boggling, just take ownership of it and make the changes necessary to lead a healthy life.

Also, It's cheap as anything to eat healthy. I know for a fact you can have something like porridge with milk and frozen fruits for about £3 a week. A dozen eggs are about the same price, throw in a few bits of veg for another £2, and you have healthy breakfasts for the whole week for a fiver or less. Both can be prepared in a microwave for 2 minutes. How much cheaper and easier do you want it to be?

You are still to explain what event you think took place that made the whole developed world lazy and stupid at around the time the car took off.
 

shmmeee

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If you’re willing to fund a lifetime of these injections to control the eating habits of hundreds of millions worldwide then sure

Because eating habits are the sign of a good strong personality!

The absolute shite that gets posted about weight on this site. 🙄

Yes. If we’ve developed a drug that extends life and saves the economy billions you try and roll out access to it. This isn’t fucking rocket science and if you could get over your disgust of fat people you wouldn’t even think twice about the answer.
 

wingy

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You are still to explain what event you think took place that made the whole developed world lazy and stupid at around the time the car took off.
It's called the self denial event and a job in the construction game for me at least, where it appears you can eat any old shit half of the time although I can't get into a 30 waist anymore!?
 

Grendel

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Oh if an injection can massively help with weight loss which means people will overall be healthier / more active etc then why not roll it out?

It has huge potential side effects include in extreme cases blindness and cannot be used for type 2 diabetics
 

wingy

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Anyway foods going out of fashion hsve any of you been in a supermarket recently while we all support the bubble that is your retirement and your children's inheritance?
 

Grendel

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Is this related to glaucoma in any way I wonder?

Sorry I phased wrongly - it’s originally a type 2 diabetic drug - it’s an appetite suppression drug. It has many potential side effects and I certainly wouldn’t want it on a long term basis
 

wingy

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Sorry I phased wrongly - it’s originally a type 2 diabetic drug - it’s an appetite suppression drug. It has many potential side effects and I certainly wouldn’t want it on a long term basis
It's a cure all if we followed shhmmeee 's advice, fine get on with it!
 

CCFCSteve

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Exercise is the key to a lot of this. It doesn’t cost anyone anything other than time and as a country we seem to spend more and more of it on social media, I can’t imagine that it’s not available for most (appreciate not all)

I get all the comments like Dave’s about multi billion dollar industries forcing crap down peoples throats and agree, it’s not easy to avoid, but until there’s more personal responsibility for people’s own health then things won’t change/will get worse

The jabs are great (they do appear to be miracle drugs) to get those people who have got too big moving again/allow people to be more active, but after that people have got to look at sensible diet and exercise. Anyone going on them should be getting some kind of leaflet with guides etc about healthier lifestyle to work in conjunction. The jabs can’t replace all the benefits from a healthier lifestyle; the nutrients and vitamins of a better diet, the improvements in mental health, flexibility, active muscles etc from exercise
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Because eating habits are the sign of a good strong personality!

The absolute shite that gets posted about weight on this site. 🙄

Yes. If we’ve developed a drug that extends life and saves the economy billions you try and roll out access to it. This isn’t fucking rocket science and if you could get over your disgust of fat people you wouldn’t even think twice about the answer.
Dude. You’re talking to a life long fatso. How much will a lifetime supply of this drug cost for everyone who needs it?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Exercise is the key to a lot of this. It doesn’t cost anyone anything other than time and as a country we seem to spend more and more of it on social media, I can’t imagine that it’s not available for most (appreciate not all)

I get all the comments like Dave’s about multi billion dollar industries forcing crap down peoples throats and agree, it’s not easy to avoid, but until there’s more personal responsibility for people’s own health then things won’t change/will get worse

The jabs are great (they do appear to be miracle drugs) to get those people who have got too big moving again/allow people to be more active, but after that people have got to look at sensible diet and exercise. Anyone going on them should be getting some kind of leaflet with guides etc about healthier lifestyle to work in conjunction. The jabs can’t replace all the benefits from a healthier lifestyle; the nutrients and vitamins of a better diet, the improvements in mental health, flexibility, active muscles etc from exercise
Diet is much more significant than exercise.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Once I get the lecture from BSB about how wrong I was about calories in/calories out then I'll get back to you.
Your point was people are overweight because they’re too stupid to stop eating too much. Not because they have a compulsion, addiction, or as seems to be the case in morbidly obese women as one group, a coping mechanism from trying to avoid abuse.

Though I gave you my own example-6.5 stone lost calorie counting, then the weight stopped coming off for months despite eating under 2000 calories a day. Given I’m still a few stone too big, am I too stupid to lose the remaining fat?
 

wingy

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Your point was people are overweight because they’re too stupid to stop eating too much. Not because they have a compulsion, addiction, or as seems to be the case in morbidly obese women as one group, a coping mechanism from trying to avoid abuse.

Though I gave you my own example-6.5 stone lost calorie counting, then the weight stopped coming off for months despite eating under 2000 calories a day. Given I’m still a few stone too big, am I too stupid to lose the remaining fat?
No just keep it up it'll be hopefully shift in the end, what's your excercise like ATM?
 

shmmeee

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Your point was people are overweight because they’re too stupid to stop eating too much. Not because they have a compulsion, addiction, or as seems to be the case in morbidly obese women as one group, a coping mechanism from trying to avoid abuse.

Though I gave you my own example-6.5 stone lost calorie counting, then the weight stopped coming off for months despite eating under 2000 calories a day. Given I’m still a few stone too big, am I too stupid to lose the remaining fat?

Your BMR will have dropped significantly. There’s every possibility you need less than 2k to maintain.
 

shmmeee

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I’ve almost assumed that many people due to cost, access, poor knowledge etc won’t ever be eating great. Going for a long brisk walk every day shouldn’t be too much for anyone to grasp. I see both as critical though

An hour long walk can be wiped out by a single muffin. BSB is right for weight loss it’s all about what goes in really. Obviously exercise is important for other reasons.

I’ve met many a fat PE teacher.
 

StrettoBoy

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Though I gave you my own example-6.5 stone lost calorie counting, then the weight stopped coming off for months despite eating under 2000 calories a day. Given I’m still a few stone too big, am I too stupid to lose the remaining fat?

I have been in the same position as you before. I think it’s because, after losing a fair amount, the body goes into starvation mode and adapts to the ingestion of fewer calories.

I have a theory - for which I’m not aware of any scientific basis - that, after losing two or three stones, it might be a good idea to stay at the same weight for some months to allow it to adjust again before starting to diet again.

I accept that this might be complete nonsense but when I reach two stones off (I’m halfway there) I’m going to give it a try.
 

Marty

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Your point was people are overweight because they’re too stupid to stop eating too much. Not because they have a compulsion, addiction, or as seems to be the case in morbidly obese women as one group, a coping mechanism from trying to avoid abuse.

Though I gave you my own example-6.5 stone lost calorie counting, then the weight stopped coming off for months despite eating under 2000 calories a day. Given I’m still a few stone too big, am I too stupid to lose the remaining fat?

Actually the point was about a specific poster, who had spent the last 15 years wasting the time of the NHS because he was waiting for a miracle cure.

And you probably need to drop your calories further, as your body now just requires less to maintain.
 

wingy

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Actually the point was about a specific poster, who had spent the last 15 years wasting the time of the NHS because he was waiting for a miracle cure.

And you probably need to drop your calories further, as your body now just requires less to maintain.
Or wait it out?on the same path for now and?
 

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