Tipping (4 Viewers)

[robbiekeane]

what the hell are they talking about in this article? like it’s been written by someone in the US…10%-15% being the norm? fuck off

When to tip and when not to tip

There are no set rules when it comes to tipping but here's what hospitality staff, customers and experts have to say.

www.bbc.com

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

How about these workers get paid properly and employers stop expecting customers to subsidise their wages?

 

[Otis]

How about these workers get paid properly and employers stop expecting customers to subsidise their wages?

I always tip, unless it's bad service, but you're right, of course.

 

[CCfC2023]

At the CBS on Tuesday the card machine gave a message if i would like to leave a tip . first time ive seen it at the ground .

 

[Sick Boy]

Great, yet another American custom becoming the norm.

 

[Marty]

We sometimes tip, never much though, just tend to take notes and leave the coins.

 

[Nick]

I don't that often unless it's been a really good service.

Now every card machine prompts for it, I'm less inclined to when somebody has just done their job and poured a drink..

 

[MalcSB]

How about these workers get paid properly and employers stop expecting customers to subsidise their wages?

Hospitality workers should be paid properly and, as I understand it, are better paid than those in the US. However , customers would still be paying their wages through higher prices/ which is fair enough.

I never tip if I go somewhere with a huge car park which is half empty, as are the tables, and they try to excuse slow service by saying they are busy. It infuriates me.

 

[MalcSB]

Telecoms customer services automated message saying they are busier than normal whatever time of whatever day you call.

 

[MalcSB]

The fact that air ambulances are not fully funded by the NHS and rely on charitable donations.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hospitality workers should be paid properly and, as I understand it, are better paid than those in the US. However , customers would still be paying their wages through higher prices/ which is fair enough.

I never tip if I go somewhere with a huge car park which is half empty, as are the tables, and they try to excuse slow service by saying they are busy. It infuriates me.

I have no problem paying a bit more in a pub/restaurant if it means the people working there are properly paid. In the US it’s often used as a way to just not pay minimum wage.

If these workers were unionised they’d be able to collectively negotiate better wages from their employers. Which is what a good number in the US have done.

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

A few years ago me and my wife had lunch in Orlando , it cost $45 I left 60 thinking I was being generous. The waitress was a bit moody after

 

[Sick Boy]

A few years ago me and my wife had lunch in Orlando , it cost $45 I left 60 thinking I was being generous. The waitress was a bit moody after

I'd say it's generous, even more so if it was the total rather than pre-tax, which you're supposed to use to calculate the tip.

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

My daughter works at the miller and carter on Kenpas highway some of the tips the staff get are very good

 

[shmmeee]

I tip for good service. People expecting a tip for doing their job can fuck off and talk to their manager about a pay rise.

 

[Sick Boy]

I tip for good service. People expecting a tip for doing their job can fuck off and talk to their manager about a pay rise.

I got prompted to enter a tip after buying a drink at a bar in London - wtf.

 

[shmmeee]

I got prompted to enter a tip after buying a drink at a bar in London - wtf.

I saw a self service checkout asking on Twitter. I choose to believe it’s real.

The charity begging at the checkout can fuck off too.

 

[Skybluekyle]

I saw a self service checkout asking on Twitter. I choose to believe it’s real.

The charity begging at the checkout can fuck off too.

There was a self-service checkout that signed up to Twitter?

 

[shmmeee]

There was a self-service checkout that signed up to Twitter?

Musk will let anyone on these days

 

[Como]

When tipping extends to the self-checkout machine, who receives them?

As more businesses turn to point-of-sale kiosks for tipping, there's no proof the money goes to workers.

www.cbsnews.com

This is an article about tipping self service machines, not something I have personally come across but certainly has been plenty of stories about it.

The minimum wage thing is a bit of a red herring, I worked a tipped position briefly and the money was not in the wage but the tips. For example in your average Restaurant you will probably find that the best paid employee is the top Server. Going to earn a lot more than the Chef.

It used to be of course that many tips were cash, you were supposed to declare how much cash you had received for payroll/tax purposes, well declare something so it was not too obvious. Some people still leave cash but that is less and less common.

It used to be you tipped $1 a beer, now 20% is probably the norm. 15 to 20% in a Restaurant, I do not do Starbucks etc, trying to think when else, for me that is probably it. It is interesting to see the suggested tip options, usually it is 15 to 25% range but I have seen some start and finish higher but I think they give you the option of a custom tip, might be difficult to find it. When I see stupid levels I go down one level on what I would otherwise have done.

There have been stories about places who have gone to a non tipping mode, never seems to work for whatever reason and my favourite:

Handsome Her, a vegan café in Melbourne Australia, sparked global debate in 2017 when it announced it would offer women priority seating and charge men an 18 per cent premium to “reflect the gender pay gap”. After two years of trading, the café announced it would be closing its doors for good on April 28.

 

[Sick Boy]

When tipping extends to the self-checkout machine, who receives them?

As more businesses turn to point-of-sale kiosks for tipping, there's no proof the money goes to workers.

www.cbsnews.com

This is an article about tipping self service machines, not something I have personally come across but certainly has been plenty of stories about it.

The minimum wage thing is a bit of a red herring, I worked a tipped position briefly and the money was not in the wage but the tips. For example in your average Restaurant you will probably find that the best paid employee is the top Server. Going to earn a lot more than the Chef.

It used to be of course that many tips were cash, you were supposed to declare how much cash you had received for payroll/tax purposes, well declare something so it was not too obvious. Some people still leave cash but that is less and less common.

It used to be you tipped $1 a beer, now 20% is probably the norm. 15 to 20% in a Restaurant, I do not do Starbucks etc, trying to think when else, for me that is probably it. It is interesting to see the suggested tip options, usually it is 15 to 25% range but I have seen some start and finish higher but I think they give you the option of a custom tip, might be difficult to find it. When I see stupid levels I go down one level on what I would otherwise have done.

There have been stories about places who have gone to a non tipping mode, never seems to work for whatever reason and my favourite:

Handsome Her, a vegan café in Melbourne Australia, sparked global debate in 2017 when it announced it would offer women priority seating and charge men an 18 per cent premium to “reflect the gender pay gap”. After two years of trading, the café announced it would be closing its doors for good on April 28.

I've always tipped $1 a beer and never had issues. Even in NYC, I've seen locals/regulars tip $1 a drink. I try to pay in cash where possible, though; they seem to get you if you're paying by card.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I got prompted to enter a tip after buying a drink at a bar in London - wtf.

It's really common in bars these days in my experience, the bar staff look embarrassed handing the machine over. If it was a cash payment such a request just would not happen.

 

[Sick Boy]

It's really common in bars these days in my experience, the bar staff look embarrassed handing the machine over. If it was a cash payment such a request just would not happen.

There was also a busker in the beer garden (who I think had been hired by the pub) who came around asking for tips. I used the old "I don't have any change, mate", and he whipped out a card machine.

 

[wingy]

There was also a busker in the beer garden (who I think had been hired by the pub) who came around asking for tips. I used the old "I don't have any change, mate", and he whipped out a card machine.

It's an ambience thing, like it or not these are currently chargeable in this new capitalist/taxing era! what to do? join in or don't no in betweens, hybrid Socialist/Capitalist thinking's?

 

[Sick Boy]

It's an ambience thing, like it or not these are currently chargeable in this new capitalist/taxing era! what to do? join in or don't no in betweens, hybrid Socialist/Capitalist thinking's?

I was with a client who tipped them a fiver, so I matched it - they weren't even good, which made it even worse.

 

[olderskyblue]

My daughter works at the miller and carter on Kenpas highway some of the tips the staff get are very good

Surprised at that, although my experience is a few years old now.

6 of us went there for a meal, and the place was very quiet. The lad serving got pretty much everything wrong, probably because he hadn’t got a pencil and tried to remember it all... although he did come over to us twice to double check..

They didn’t have beer mats so the table was wet through when they came out with cutlery, and just dropped the cutlery wrapped in serviette right into the puddles. service was very very slow as well. I think there was about another 4 people in there so have no clue why.

they'd got the wrong meat with the veg/salad so 4 out the 6 hadn’t got what they ordered.

we didn’t leave a tip

never been again

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

Orlando in august. Took the family of five for steaks and the bill was in the hundreds of dollars which seemed steep. Had a quick glance at the bill, panicked and left a not insignificant 25% tip.

Went back later in the week and the waiter was over the moon to see me. When I got the second bill I read it properly. Turns out they already bang a 30% tip on

 

[Sick Boy]

I tipped a barman something like $5 once because for a beer at the bar because I was in a good mood and he ended up giving me a free beer and a shot. I’ve heard that sort of thing is pretty common.

 

[MalcSB]

Had an expensive meal at the Waldorf Astoria in New York. The bill included a sum for a gratuity, so I paid the bill and no more. Head waiter got very shirty that I hadn’t left a tip. I thought that was what a gratuity was. - a formalised tip. In my view - cheeky bastards.

 

[SBAndy]

I tipped a barman something like $5 once because for a beer at the bar because I was in a good mood and he ended up giving me a free beer and a shot. I’ve heard that sort of thing is pretty common.

Takes me back to a holiday in Barbados. First night at the hotel bar our party probably had north of $300 worth of drinks. Bill came and it was $80. As they’d low-balled so much I think I called it $150 (a $70 tip). Next day, same barman, probably similar amount of drinks. $25. Did the same again. Getting free top-ups on cocktails. Fourth day the bar staff changed shift and I got charged full whack. Decided against the tip that time!

 

[Houchens Head]

I don't leave tips full stop. If they don't get paid enough, work somewhere else!

 

[JohnWH]

I have no problem paying a bit more in a pub/restaurant if it means the people working there are properly paid. In the US it’s often used as a way to just not pay minimum wage.

If these workers were unionised they’d be able to collectively negotiate better wages from their employers. Which is what a good number in the US have done.

Yes. This. I live in USA. Most long term service workers aren't exactly from beneficial financial, social status in the first place, and how this system even developed in the first place is mind boggling. With respect to our well liked poster Houchens Head who commented "if
they don't get paid enough, work somewhere else!" It simply isn't realistic for many of these service workers who come from poor backgrounds, little or no education, uncertain immigration status, criminal records (excessive drug related prison terms is common still), or other disadvantages where they cannot get better paying jobs.

Such workers are somehow allowed to be paid as low as about $3ish (£2.30ish) per hour, with the collective assumption that (somehow?) such service workers will make enough money to get by augmented by tips? Tips are something largely out of the control of the worker. With the amount of people who stiff, dine n' dash, break stuff (some places insist the employee is somehow financially responsible for such deficits, something I doubt is legal), or even have tips withheld (stolen) by management, the only moral choice I really have is to tip more than I want to so regular people aren't getting fucked too badly.

All people deserve the human dignity of financial security through honest day's work. This thread really boils me because
A) tipping shouldn't even be a thing, but
B) I have to subsidize someone's livelihood for a decent living just because politicians and business owners want as cheap and disadvantaged a labor force as possible.

 

[Como]

Certainly in my State if you do not make normal minimum wage with tips then the Employer has to make it up,

The local Walmart starts people at $19 an hour and are recruiting.

It did not happen but when I was working in a tipped job I was looking at moving to a non tipped position, I knew it would involve a pay cut.

 

[Otis]

I don't leave tips full stop. If they don't get paid enough, work somewhere else!

A bit harsh, Houch.

What about students? My daughter is at Bristol uni and works at a bar/restaurant in the evening. Her pay is very low and she is dependent on tips.

She doesn't get many, but it does really help her.

She can only work evenings.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Yes. This. I live in USA. Most long term service workers aren't exactly from beneficial financial, social status in the first place, and how this system even developed in the first place is mind boggling. With respect to our well liked poster Houchens Head who commented "if
they don't get paid enough, work somewhere else!" It simply isn't realistic for many of these service workers who come from poor backgrounds, little or no education, uncertain immigration status, criminal records (excessive drug related prison terms is common still), or other disadvantages where they cannot get better paying jobs.

Such workers are somehow allowed to be paid as low as about $3ish (£2.30ish) per hour, with the collective assumption that (somehow?) such service workers will make enough money to get by augmented by tips? Tips are something largely out of the control of the worker. With the amount of people who stiff, dine n' dash, break stuff (some places insist the employee is somehow financially responsible for such deficits, something I doubt is legal), or even have tips withheld (stolen) by management, the only moral choice I really have is to tip more than I want to so regular people aren't getting fucked too badly.

All people deserve the human dignity of financial security through honest day's work. This thread really boils me because
A) tipping shouldn't even be a thing, but
B) I have to subsidize someone's livelihood for a decent living just because politicians and business owners want as cheap and disadvantaged a labor force as possible.

People should be paid enough to get by by the employer. It's not like the tips are set in stone like PRP in other positions. You can do your job absolutely brilliantly and get absolutely nothing. Any tips etc. should just be a bonus on top of a living wage for them doing their job well.