Wasps go to bottom of the pyramid (33 Viewers)
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chiefdave
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If they want to expand the second tier surely you just promote for teams from the tier below. You know, the ones who have paid their bills and not gone out of business.
The RFU make the FA and EFL look competent which takes some doing. The idea that you can add Wasps, Worcester and London Irish to a 12 team second tier and end up with 14 teams doesn't seem great maths for a start.
But you're talking about three teams that at present don't exist in any meaningful form and two of which don't have any ground to play at, its laughable to me but if I was a rugby fan I'd be fuming. Do this and the game has zero integrity.
The RFU make the FA and EFL look competent which takes some doing. The idea that you can add Wasps, Worcester and London Irish to a 12 team second tier and end up with 14 teams doesn't seem great maths for a start.
But you're talking about three teams that at present don't exist in any meaningful form and two of which don't have any ground to play at, its laughable to me but if I was a rugby fan I'd be fuming. Do this and the game has zero integrity.
Paul Anthony
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So much for having to start again at the lowest level, eh?
tisza
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They're desperate and clueless. Most the Premier clubs are basically bankrupt and propped up by owner's loans. Unsustainable wage structures. There are no sleeping giants out there with large potential fanbases or commercial appeal. Rugby's leadership is deluded in that they think they have some product that large numbers of people will want to watch. They are scraping around to find enough professional clubs as they know the next TV deal will be much lower than the current one if they can't boost numbers of games etc.
Wasps, Worcester & London Irish returns would be 'great for rugby'
The boss of Premiership Rugby says he welcomes the prospective return to professional rugby of Wasps, Worcester and London Irish.www.bbc.co.uk
This is incredible - likely going to be allowed back into the 2nd tier next season...once they've fully paid off existing rugby creditors.
How much do Wasps owe non-rugby creditors - local Coventry businesses etc? Wasn't the local ambulance service owed some money by them? What about paying those off as well?
It's a f*&king joke.
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RFU lost £5m last year and have laid off 40 staff. BT Sports didn't want the Champions and Challenge Cup matches, so they've gone to Premier Sports.
However, ITV are seemingly forking out a fortune for their coverage...
However, ITV are seemingly forking out a fortune for their coverage...
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon
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Watch the rules on promotion/relegation change to get them back in the top flight as fast as possible next
chiefdave
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Wonder how much they are paying. Did see a report a year or two ago that they had to roll contacts over for additional years on the same terms as there was zero interest. Can't imagine ITV have gone in high for rights they know nobody else is bidding for. Not sure 7 live games a season is quite the 'we can be like the Premier League' level of coverage they want.
Is it April 1st? That sounds like absolute shit for any sport but do they really think the rugby audience is one that will go for this?
tisza
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It's all screwed. Scrambling around looking for anything that might possibly boost Tv revenues Inc league amalgamations, new leagues etc.
They've screwed themselves by overpaying players and can't reduce wage cap any further without risking exodus of top players to bigger money leagues.
They've screwed themselves by overpaying players and can't reduce wage cap any further without risking exodus of top players to bigger money leagues.
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Canal+ pay £116m a year to cover French rugby
Over here, BT paid £36m a year and are rumoured to have paid less to extend the deal
Over here, BT paid £36m a year and are rumoured to have paid less to extend the deal
chiefdave
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Remember doing some digging when Wasps were up here telling anyone who would listen that rugby was going to be as popular as Premier League football and the viewing figures are absolutely appalling. That was in our League 1 days and one of our games on Sky got more viewers than they got for the the season on BT!
Wasps, Worcester & London Irish returns would be 'great for rugby'
The boss of Premiership Rugby says he welcomes the prospective return to professional rugby of Wasps, Worcester and London Irish.
www.bbc.co.uk
RFU confirm deadline for additional teams to apply for new Tier 2
Additional clubs wanting to take part in the new 14-team Tier 2 league in 2025/26 have been set an October 13 deadline to apply.
www.rugbypass.com
chiefdave
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what happens if the current 2nd tier teams stick together and tell the RFU to do one. They can't have a tier 2 with just 3 teams they are trying to parachute in.RFU confirm deadline for additional teams to apply for new Tier 2
Additional clubs wanting to take part in the new 14-team Tier 2 league in 2025/26 have been set an October 13 deadline to apply.
or is this like when we get to 'choose' things like if we want PL u21s to play in the EFL Trophy, you get a vote but if you vote no they're cutting off the supply of money?
Skyblueweeman
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You've answered your own question mate. They'll simply reduce funding to Tier 2 clubs even further. It used to be around £600k a season I think now it's only about a 1/3 of that. Figures not totally accurate but around that.
Skyblueweeman
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AFC Wimbledon started at the bottom of the pyramid when they restarted.
Grendel
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Because they were liquidated and other rugby union clubs liquidated have started at the bottom
chiefdave
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Can't think of any football clubs who went bust, missed a couple of seasons, and then got dropped straight into the Championship.
ccfctommy
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Theres no 'bottom of the pyramid' as such. You get accepted into whatever league accepts you. See Nuneaton Town.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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As much as i detest the parasites, let’s not pretend within Rugby their name is massive. Rugby is suffering for funding as it is.
The Wasps name would infinitely be more appealing than most
The Wasps name would infinitely be more appealing than most
tisza
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Even the "free" ITV games only get around 1m views. None of the clubs sell-out their grounds. Premier rugby were crowing that average attendances were the best ever last year at around 15,300 - what they didn't mention was it took an extra Quins game at Twickenham and Saracens game at Spurs to alter those figures quite radically. Those 2 games boosted total attendance by an extra 120.000 odd (added about 1500 onto the average)
Cov get £133k but pay £50k for insurance from that
Premiership Clubs get £3.3m top line
Kneeza
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Correct.
It's a (bad) joke.
If promoted, they'd get roughly half of the amount the current sides get - and the relegated side would get similar, ensuring that the two swap leagues at the end of that season.
Utter bollocks of a game (and that's coming from someone who's followed it for well over sixty years).
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They can't make the concerns about concussion and injury go away either. At an extreme level, football could ban heading but rugby would have to become non-contact.
They can't make the concerns about concussion and injury go away either. At an extreme level, football could ban heading but rugby would have to become non-contact.
duffer
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Because that was the RFU's own rules... See London Scottish (now back in the Championship).
duffer
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You don't get accepted into the football league, do you, let alone the second tier, just on the basis of your name.
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon
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Wasps: Former Premiership club secure land to build new stadium in Kent
Former Premiership club Wasps move a step closer to a return to professional rugby by securing land to build a new stadium in Kent.
www.bbc.co.uk
New stadium in Kent appears to be what they are going for now, along with entry to the Championship for 25/26. I would presume to do the 2ndnpart of that they'd need to be using Worcester's ground or have some other ground share set up in a random part of the country. Cumbria Wasps anyone?
chiefdave
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Hmmm, this is about as near to building a stadium as when we were moving to the Uni.Wasps: Former Premiership club secure land to build new stadium in Kent
Former Premiership club Wasps move a step closer to a return to professional rugby by securing land to build a new stadium in Kent.www.bbc.co.uk
New stadium in Kent appears to be what they are going for now, along with entry to the Championship for 25/26. I would presume to do the 2ndnpart of that they'd need to be using Worcester's ground or have some other ground share set up in a random part of the country. Cumbria Wasps anyone?
will be reliant on the wider development going ahead and them somehow finding the money to finance a stadium and get it through planning when there's already huge opposition from the locals.
I really can't see the sense in setting up in Worcester and getting semi-established there to then move across the country again to somewhere you're not wanted into a huge new stadium they won't be able to afford to run.
Did they not notice how that turned out for them last time?
Skyblueweeman
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They need to pay their f&*king debts first before spending a penny on coming back.
Parasites.
Parasites.
SkyBlueCharlie9
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This 'site' is Pedham Place Golf Club near Brands Hatch and just outside Swanley in Sevenoaks DC patch. Decent little affordable golf course that is good for beginners and children learning the game. Ive played there a lot in recent years with my teenage son. I know a couple of people at Sevenoaks District Council who say this land has been put forward under local plan site allocations, by owners for housing and potentially a new town but potentially space for The Pests to piggy back and include a stadium on fringes too. Well accessed by M25 A20 but in green belt country on top of a very exposed prominent hill, with big planning and master planning issues. Already massive local objection and likely to be challenged with a Judicial Review. Its more like 5-10 years delivery minimum in my eyes. Cost would be at least £100m for a basic 28K stadium. 
Hopefully wont happen but then the egg chasing rugger buggers do have wealth and connections that do like to through money at ridiculous white elephants - so wouldn't put it past them. I keep meaning to contact the residents action group to draw attention to what the W***s did in Coventry and Henley In Arden. W***s must never be allowed to rebreed and infest any community/place ever again!
Hopefully wont happen but then the egg chasing rugger buggers do have wealth and connections that do like to through money at ridiculous white elephants - so wouldn't put it past them. I keep meaning to contact the residents action group to draw attention to what the W***s did in Coventry and Henley In Arden. W***s must never be allowed to rebreed and infest any community/place ever again!
SkyBlueCharlie9
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Rather than Worcester wonder if W***s will look at temporary ground share with Bromley, Charlton, Milwall, Gillingham, , Dartford, Ebbsfleet, Welling or Maidstone... until they build their stadium
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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@KenilworthSkyBlue why dont you go and watch them in Kent?
What was it you said when they were here? 'I just want to watch top class premiership rugby'.
What was it you said when they were here? 'I just want to watch top class premiership rugby'.
fernandopartridge
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Is this true? What was his username at that point?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Unfortunately I don't have a spreadsheet, but I know for a fact he was 100% a Wasps apologist and follower. As we know though, most of them don't admit it these days.
clint van damme
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I know a man who does.....