David O'Day
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Not sure we have the forwards for a Klopp team and Pep coaches the fuck out of his teams to get them to stand on the exact inch of grass and you don't have enough time with an international team to do this.
England - Lee Carsley Era (29 Viewers)
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Mucca Mad Boys
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Undoubtedly the most successful manager who is available.
The FA could’ve hired Tuchel in the summer so it’s not unreasonable to suspect that they approached Klopp and/or Pep and neither of them fancied it.
Tuchel isn’t exactly well known for playing attacking football either so he’ll need to hit the ground running.
David O'Day
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Brighton Sky Blue
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I see this as an appointment for the next World Cup and likely no further, he will surely still have his eye on club management.
SlowerThanPlatt
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fernandopartridge
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Who would you appoint who wants the job and has a similar track record
SlowerThanPlatt
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tisza
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Don't just blame the FA - blame the Premier League and Championship as well. Only 4 English managers in Pl, about half the Championship normally foreign managers. All taking the same UEFA qualifications so no reason for discrepancy there. Only Chelsea out of the big 6 have tried English managers in the last 10-15 years? Who were the leading English candidates - Potter, Howe ?? Not outstanding options.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Nobody really, just pretty disappointing that a German manager that isn't even considered the best German manager is a better pedigree than all the english managers we have to offer.
Appears to be very little thought put into this appointment, suppose the FAs plans were scuppered by the Greece and Finland games and have rushed into an appointment.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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A lot of rubbish about how Tuchel is a good appointment as he got the best out of Kane, Kane scored so many goals cause he was playing for the top goalscorers in Germany and the weaker teams are generally less competitive in Germany.
Kanes just been hammered for his performance in the Euros in the Summer ignoring that his coach for the last 12 months leading into the tournament was Tuchel, he should have been confident, fit and firing according to the narrative now that Tuchel is gonna get the best out of Kane.
Kanes just been hammered for his performance in the Euros in the Summer ignoring that his coach for the last 12 months leading into the tournament was Tuchel, he should have been confident, fit and firing according to the narrative now that Tuchel is gonna get the best out of Kane.
Alkhen
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Totally unsurprising response from the Daily Mail, they know exactly the tone to set to get their seals clapping.
Delighted we have bagged a top tier coach, yes in an ideal world we'd love to have a pool of elite English managers to pick from but that's just not the case. We have a talented squad that needs a direction and I honestly can't think of a better available candidate.
Tuchel has a real affinity with the English game I really think he could be great for us as long as the media let him do his job
Delighted we have bagged a top tier coach, yes in an ideal world we'd love to have a pool of elite English managers to pick from but that's just not the case. We have a talented squad that needs a direction and I honestly can't think of a better available candidate.
Tuchel has a real affinity with the English game I really think he could be great for us as long as the media let him do his job
SlowerThanPlatt
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Tuchel had signed the contract before the Greece game it’s been reported, which goes some way to explaining Carlsey’s blase attitude to the job.
Alkhen
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That's bollocks you must know that, the FA would have agonized about this appointment, the inevitable nationalistic outrage would have been firmly in their mind.
Maybe they did approach Pep and Klopp first but that's standard practice if you want to fill the position with the best candidate (I actually think Pep would struggle with the lack of player contact)
The guy won the Champions league with an average Chelsea team, he is a good coach and way better than any other English or available candidate
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Yea not sure if I believe that or just the FA trying to make it look like they had a plan.
The reports in the days leading up to the appointment on Monday and Tuesday were that Tuchel was in advanced talks and now they are saying the contract was signed a week ago.
Evo1883
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I'd say the German league is very competitive
tisza
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Agree on Pep. His coaching is high intensity and infinite attention to detail. Hard to do that when you're only getting the players for short periods.
Alkhen
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I think Carsley was just put in place so they could woo Pep, try and convince him to take the job at the end of the season. Didn't pan out so they had Tuchel as a quality plan B,
The FA know we have a talented bunch of players but one with some definite flaws and some key members of that squad are reaching their peaks. We need someone to come in with pedigree and authority, not Carsley who might be excellent eventually but has only really youth football and caretaker roles under his belt. We'll take that risk again I'm sure just not now
The FA know we have a talented bunch of players but one with some definite flaws and some key members of that squad are reaching their peaks. We need someone to come in with pedigree and authority, not Carsley who might be excellent eventually but has only really youth football and caretaker roles under his belt. We'll take that risk again I'm sure just not now
clint van damme
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I wonder who the English candidates they interviewed were?
SlowerThanPlatt
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Isn’t the very successful England women’s manager Dutch?
And England won their only Cricket World Cup with an Aussie in charge…
And England won their only Cricket World Cup with an Aussie in charge…
David O'Day
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Yes, he is a better manager the current English managers, Potter, Howe etc are not as good has him.
He's just as successful as say Klopp.
He is the best manager that England can realistically get to manage them.
Sbarcher
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Yep. Need to give Tommy Tickle a chance.
skybluecam
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Shocked at some of the takes on here and elsewhere 
Tuchel is definitely the best manager available and one of the most suitable choices full stop. He’s very good at knock out football and tactically flexible so not wedded to a system that would be hard to implement at international level. Also has experience working in England and with some of the players (especially Kane).
We know the quality is there to go all the way in tournaments. I think he brings the tactical understanding that Southgate lacked a bit to get it over the line in the truly big games.
Tuchel is definitely the best manager available and one of the most suitable choices full stop. He’s very good at knock out football and tactically flexible so not wedded to a system that would be hard to implement at international level. Also has experience working in England and with some of the players (especially Kane).
We know the quality is there to go all the way in tournaments. I think he brings the tactical understanding that Southgate lacked a bit to get it over the line in the truly big games.
shmmeee
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Willing to give him a chance. Has a very good tournament record and Southgate’s problem was always getting past better teams which Tuchel has a decent record for.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Been itching to hear what Dean Ashton made of it all
Matt smith
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Someone on talk sport has just seriously said we should have gone for mark robins 
ovduk78
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It is ridiculous that pundits say that England have to win either the Euros or a WC, even the FA have said Tuchel's appointment gives them the best chance of winning the next WC. I just want an England team to play in a positive, attacking style & not the turgid, defensive shite we have seen over the last couple of years, winning something would be nice but we have to remember there are other countries with good players.
Grendel
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Blueskiesforever was one
skybluecam
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His suggestion of signing European players for the team quickly ruled him out of contention.
David O'Day
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England have appointed probably the best available manager for the job, no one seems to be able to provide a better realistic candidate.
The lack of any suitable English candidates is a different conversation all together.
The lack of any suitable English candidates is a different conversation all together.
Otis
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Yeah, it's a shame Steve Evans isn't English.
Joey Barton is free and available though I think.
Mucca Mad Boys
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This is chicken and egg thinking here… What major nations have dabbled in hiring foreign managers? I can only think of Belgium, Portugal and ourselves.
We put too much importance on the manager and think Carsley would’ve probably done a good job with the team given time. There’s no point in having a coaching pathway if when the chips are down, they’ll bottle it and hire ‘the best’ available manager.
Grendel
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The Netherlands did in the 70's for sure
Mucca Mad Boys
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Fair enough - that’s way past my time and could not remember a Dutch national team manager being foreign-born in the 90s to present day.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Don’t get him over to these sections as well