Good intentions - poorly executed.... (41 Viewers)

[covcity4life]

Plenty of the goals we've conceded have been nothing to do with tactics, (the 1st Wednesday being an example).

Well it wasn't a specialised lwb playing there was it? Kinda tactical no?

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

If you believe this you should have no issue with a new head coach coming in

Our issues were clearly tactical this season

Our issues are many and that is one of them yes. I still would have given him more time and not sacked him in the way it’s been done.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Robins is a motivator, not a tactician. And he motivates the old school way, not by the mollycoddling some of our grifters prefer.

I’d agree with this - one thing I believe Robins is great at and I’ve pointed this out before - he’s a siege manager.

he’ll take average players and drag another 10% out of them. Godden was a journey man striker, McFadzean, Kelly, etc. seems to struggle with more mercurial players - See JCH and the current crop.

 

[shepardo01]

ITKs who are throwing their own agendas about.

Playground stuff really

I have no agenda.
Tried to articulate my post say that the re-structure, on paper, had the potential to work, and is a modern approach.
But, for various reasons, has been poorly executed, by the sounds of it due to sub-standard coaches being appointed.
Never hammered King or Roberts on here.
Thought this information may explain a few things.
I added that it made me sad to hear.
If true about the level of coaching - expect that to affect recruitment and retention of players.
Hearing this made me concerned about our football club.

 

[SKYBLUES90]

Well Shep seemed to regard his source and that's good enough for me.
I know Saddles source has an agenda so you have to bear that in mind, but like I say, he's still often correct.

I’m interested to see going forward how much information will now come out outside of the club .

 

[clint van damme]

Well it wasn't a specialised lwb playing there was it? Kinda tactical no?

Everyone wanted him there based on how he played v Luton. I actually had reservations.
But that was a schoolboy error that a professional footballer shouldn't make so not really tactical.

 

[covcity4life]

I have no agenda.
Tried to articulate my post say that the re-structure, on paper, had the potential to work, and is a modern approach.
But, for various reasons, has been poorly executed, by the sounds of it due to sub-standard coaches being appointed.
Never hammered King or Roberts on here.
Thought this information may explain a few things.
I added that it made me sad to hear.
If true about the level of coaching - expect that to affect recruitment and retention of players.
Hearing this made me concerned about our football club.

On plus side maybe we're only tweaks away from having a good structure?

 

[MalcSB]

The phone call telling CR what DK had said was made by the performance director. I don’t know who else apart from DK was involved in the actual decision.

What it showed, in my opinion; was the disconnect between MR and DK. Why have CR at Ryton? Why did CR think it was a done deal except for discussing a pay package with DK? Only to be subsequently called and told the timing wasn’t right?

Timing wasn’t right because there was every intention to show Robins the door.

 

[shmmeee]

If the above is true (which there’s no reason to doubt) it’s a poisoned chalice for whoever gets the role.

Good times ahead.

It’s what every ITK says and tallies up with what we can see. But dont worry cam doesn’t believe ik.

 

[covcity4life]

Everyone wanted him there based on how he played v Luton. I actually had reservations.
But that was a schoolboy error that a professional footballer shouldn't make so not really tactical.

You put attacking players in defensive positions it happens. A risk robins took

He was kinda just experimenting towards end and every loss would have seen a new change

I've been there before on football manager! It never ends well

 

[shmmeee]

On plus side maybe we're only tweaks away from having a good structure?

Those tweaks being to completely replace everyone in the structure?

 

[shepardo01]

On plus side maybe we're only tweaks away from having a good structure?

I'd love it to work.
It will sadly have to do so without MR.
Sadly, it sounds like the coaching side still needs levelling up....

 

[shmmeee]

You put attacking players in defensive positions it happens. A risk robins took

He was kinda just experimenting towards end and every loss would have seen a new change

I've been there before on football manager! It never ends well

He’s a midfielder playing in midfield have a word.

 

[clint van damme]

You put attacking players in defensive positions it happens. A risk robins took

He was kinda just experimenting towards end and every loss would have seen a new change

I've been there before on football manager! It never ends well

I'm not saying there's beenno issues with tactics there clearly has.
But there's been a fair amount off goals conceded through poor individual errors that professionals shouldn't be making.

 

[covcity4life]

He’s a midfielder playing in midfield have a word.

Lwb have to be defenders too

When are you going to sober up

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

The phone call telling CR what DK had said was made by the performance director. I don’t know who else apart from DK was involved in the actual decision.

What it showed, in my opinion; was the disconnect between MR and DK. Why have CR at Ryton? Why did CR think it was a done deal except for discussing a pay package with DK? Only to be subsequently called and told the timing wasn’t right?

Cause as someone said at the time you can tell Doug wa shaving doubts about mark for a while and didn’t want to hire a AM he would have to sack.

 

[djr8369]

I don’t know what I think anymore. Part of me thinks it could be true, part think it makes no sense King would chuck everything out and try and start again as it seems too risky. But then MR has not seemed right for a long time, always sounding like he was talking with a caveat.

 

[ProfessorbyGrace]

I'd love to know who these players are

Someone (Saddle I think) said Sheaf was one of them. @Saddlebrains ?

Plus, it was stated ‘some of the new players’ and this is about the third or fourth time I’ve seen this. Take your pick.

 

[shmmeee]

Lwb have to be defenders too

When are you going to sober up

When are you going to accept you’ve been sold a pup? If someone told you the top clubs supporters all have bleached enemas you’d have a tube of dettol up your arse before they’d finished their sentence.

Clearly what everyone has been telling you is true. We’ve fucked it by appointing a load of crap coaches we can’t get rid of and in the process have completely neutered the best coaching setup outside the PL.

 

[djr8369]

Cause as someone said at the time you can tell Doug wa shaving doubts about mark for a while and didn’t want to hire a AM he would have to sack.

Why would he have doubts? I mean is seems that’s the case but last season seemed he wanted to back Robins, did something change?

 

[covcity4life]

When are you going to accept you’ve been sold a pup? If someone told you the top clubs supporters all have bleached enemas you’d have a tube of dettol up your arse before they’d finished their sentence.

Clearly what everyone has been telling you is true. We’ve fucked it by appointing a load of crap coaches we can’t get rid of and in the process have completely neutered the best coaching setup outside the PL.

You didn't support cov when sisu owners out of protest

Now you don't support cov without robins as manager

Why are you here? All you wanna do is complain no matter the situation

NOPM!

 

[Otis]

There's a difference between being a numbskull and being promoted far above any level you've coached at before.
Which mcould be what's happened in at least 1 or 2 cases.

I think your first paragraph is wishful thinking unless the new man can bring in his own staff.

I would always expect a new manager to bring in his own staff. Surprising if he is not permitted to do so.and has to work with the current structure

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Someone (Saddle I think) said Sheaf was one of them. @Saddlebrains ?

Plus, it was stated ‘some of the new players’ and this is about the third or fourth time I’ve seen this. Take your pick.

It was a different ITK I believe.

I think Saddle said he wasn't the one on this occasion to relay that. I have definitely seen it said by someone else before as well though.

 

[shmmeee]

You didn't support cov when sisu owners out of protest

Now you don't support cov without robins as manager

Why are you here? All you wanna do is complain no matter the situation

NOPM!

1/10 low effort.

If supporting Cov is agreeing with every decision the owners make then no I haven’t and I’m not sure many would pass your test.

 

[covcity4life]

1/10 low effort.

If supporting Cov is agreeing with every decision the owners make then no I haven’t and I’m not sure many would pass your test.

But there is no owner you don't hate from the get go is there?

Just be honest. Your still emotional at robins going. We all are. But you can't curb your bias so just chill with the posting till you can think clearly.

Log out come back Monday mate. You will be better for it.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

You didn't support cov when sisu owners out of protest

Now you don't support cov without robins as manager

Why are you here? All you wanna do is complain no matter the situation

NOPM!

2bf - you can be pissed off with the clubs decisions, but you’d still be a fan. Shmmeee can call King a c**t but I’d imagine he’ll still cheer Lampard on if he gets the job.

At least he hasn’t said he wants us to lose like some have. That’s bizarre behaviour

 

[covcity4life]

2bf - you can be pissed off with the clubs decisions, but you’d still be a fan. Shmmeee can call King a c**t but I’d imagine he’ll still cheer Lampard on if he gets the job.

At least he hasn’t said he wants us to lose like some have. That’s bizarre behaviour

Feel like he's close to that though that's all. But he's smart enough to know he can't come back from saying it publically

 

[shmmeee]

But there is no owner you don't hate from the get go is there?

Just be honest. Your still emotional at robins going. We all are. But you can't curb your bias so just chill with the posting till you can think clearly.

Log out come back Monday mate. You will be better for it.

This would make a lot of sense if a lot of us hadn’t spent the last 18 months being worried this (and the seemingly blindingly obvious next step of a “name” coming in) would happen, and then being proved right.

I’d love it if we had an owner who could both stay out of a decent managers way and manage the off field stuff with a modicum of competence, alas here we are.

 

[clint van damme]

1/10 low effort.

If supporting Cov is agreeing with every decision the owners make then no I haven’t and I’m not sure many would pass your test.

Non footballing side he's been fantastic. Footballing side, a fucking disaster.

 

[Darth Robins]

Feel like he's close to that though that's all. But he's smart enough to know he can't come back from saying it publically

He could always claim it was his cousin posting. Seems easy enough to come back from all sorts of embarrassing gaffes on here.

 

[shmmeee]

Feel like he's close to that though that's all. But he's smart enough to know he can't come back from saying it publically

Now you’re just paranoid. I’m upset precisely because I think Kings shit decisions will lead to us losing a lot more in the future.

 

[covcity4life]

This would make a lot of sense if a lot of us hadn’t spent the last 18 months being worried this (and the seemingly blindingly obvious next step of a “name” coming in) would happen, and then being proved right.

I’d love it if we had an owner who could both stay out of a decent managers way and manage the off field stuff with a modicum of competence, alas here we are.

But that's the thing your angry Doug king sacked him and convinced he's clueless and should not interfere.

So unless he had a job for life there was no way king could do anything without you thinking he's clueless?

 

[ProfessorbyGrace]

It was a different ITK I believe.

I think Saddle said he wasn't the one on this occasion to relay that. I have definitely seen it said by someone else before as well though.

I really can’t help but aim vitriol at our ‘captain’, to be honest. Everyone will just buy into the party line that he’s ’the best midfielder in the Championship’ and the problem is, Sheaf now believes he is.

Injuries, complacency, poor performances and a total dearth of actual, tangible leadership qualities on the field…I just feel that he gets off very, very lightly, in this mess.

I don’t doubt his talent, it’s his application and attitude that has contributed to a great deal of the issues on-field.

 

[shmmeee]

But that's the thing your angry Doug king sacked him and convinced he's clueless and should not interfere.

So unless he had a job for life there was no way king could do anything without you thinking he's clueless?

He could have maintained the best coaching setup in the league instead of deciding he knew best and appointing a bunch of nobodies with no experience, some of them equal to or over Robins. He’s not just sat there signing cheques then checked the league table today, he’s been far more involved than most owners in probably the one setup in the country that needed it the least outside Man City.

 

[clint van damme]

I really can’t help but aim vitriol at our ‘captain’, to be honest. Everyone will just buy into the party line that he’s ’the best midfielder in the Championship’ and the problem is, Sheaf now believes he is.

Injuries, complacency, poor performances and a total dearth of actual, tangible leadership qualities on the field…I just feel that he gets off very, very lightly, in this mess.

I don’t doubt his talent, it’s his application and attitude that has contributed to a great deal of the issues on-field.

I think not getting the offers he thought he would in the summer should have told him he's not as good as he thinks.
He should have took the one he did get.