Robins has to go… (38 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

You always bring such balance BSB

Apart from Leeds who played us off the park, we haven't lost by more than the odd goal. And it's nearly always been individual errors, questionable decisions, simple bad luck. Yes there have been some very poor halves, but for me only at Leeds were we outplayed throughout. It’s not a Mickey Mouse league where teams roll over, they press you and they defend with discipline, and we haven’t always been able to find a way around that.

But whenever a tight game goes against us every player's rating is slashed by 2 or 3 points, the manager has lost the dressing room, the players aren’t trying, they are League 1 standard, we’re in a relegation scrap, nobody’s got a clue what the tactics are, the coaches can’t coach, we’ve pissed millions up the wall, had our pants down, fallen off a cliff, training ground unrest, they've gone on strike, bad attitudes, iPads and tracksuits blah blah. All this nonsense destroys confidence around the place, which is the opposite of support. Not talking about you btw...

I think you’re overestimating the influence of the forum. He was sacked because King felt performances and results were unacceptable.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

You always bring such balance BSB

Apart from Leeds who played us off the park, we haven't lost by more than the odd goal. And it's nearly always been individual errors, questionable decisions, simple bad luck. Yes there have been some very poor halves, but for me only at Leeds were we outplayed throughout. It’s not a Mickey Mouse league where teams roll over, they press you and they defend with discipline, and we haven’t always been able to find a way around that.

But whenever a tight game goes against us every player's rating is slashed by 2 or 3 points, the manager has lost the dressing room, the players aren’t trying, they are League 1 standard, we’re in a relegation scrap, nobody’s got a clue what the tactics are, the coaches can’t coach, we’ve pissed millions up the wall, had our pants down, fallen off a cliff, training ground unrest, they've gone on strike, bad attitudes, iPads and tracksuits blah blah. All this nonsense destroys confidence around the place, which is the opposite of support. Not talking about you btw...

This is fair, though I think Sheffield Weds were much the better side throughout that game too. I'm not an xG denialist either and can accept that it shows sloppiness at both ends of the pitch. While we have only been outplayed for a whole 90 minutes on a small number of occasions though, how many have we looked the better side for a whole 90? Not often either. The quality of football has often been very poor and players have sometimes looked like they got randomly chucked together on the day.

What we're seeing from them reminds me a fair bit of Man Utd under ten Haag in a lot of respects.

 

[Calista]

I think you’re overestimating the influence of the forum. He was sacked because King felt performances and results were unacceptable.

I keep having to say this - I'm not suggesting Robins was sacked because of the forum. I'm saying the forum can influence the atmosphere at the club, because it doesn't exist in a vacuum. And the vibe recently was way more negative than it needed to be. I suspect we only disagree about the scale of that effect?

 

[Calista]

This is fair, though I think Sheffield Weds were much the better side throughout that game too. I'm not an xG denialist either and can accept that it shows sloppiness at both ends of the pitch. While we have only been outplayed for a whole 90 minutes on a small number of occasions though, how many have we looked the better side for a whole 90? Not often either. The quality of football has often been very poor and players have sometimes looked like they got randomly chucked together on the day.

What we're seeing from them reminds me a fair bit of Man Utd under ten Haag in a lot of respects.

All fair points.

It's undeniable that we haven't fulfilled the promise of taking the league by storm. I just don't think we've been remotely as bad as people are making out, and missing out on transfer targets is a big part of that. The new coach has a lot to work with already. Get a couple more in, tweak the team and we could be a very good side IMO, but obviously Robins won't have that chance now.

PUSB

 

[Sick Boy]

I keep having to say this - I'm not suggesting Robins was sacked because of the forum. I'm saying the forum can influence the atmosphere at the club, because it doesn't exist in a vacuum. And the vibe recently was way more negative than it needed to be. I suspect we only disagree about the scale of that effect?

I think the forum has zero effect on the club’s decisions.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

All fair points.

It's undeniable that we haven't fulfilled the promise of taking the league by storm. I just don't think we've been remotely as bad as people are making out, and missing out on transfer targets is a big part of that. The new coach has a lot to work with already. Get a couple more in, tweak the team and we could be a very good side IMO, but obviously Robins won't have that chance now.

PUSB

Well nobody at the club made that promise in the first place, and while I had us down for a play-off finish this season, most of us on here didn't have us down for the autos. Certainly nobody expected us to underperform as much as we have done, including pundits, the bookies, fans of other teams etc.

Then again nobody will have predicted Luton to be so far down the table either and I imagine Rob Edwards will be gone soon because of it. So it isn't just us in fairness.

 

[wingy]

As has been said previously and laughed at plenty:

The club will be using forums like this to gauge fan opinion. Posts like the above would have contributed to the decision to sack MR in a small way.

The Jobs of the influencer?

 

[Grendel]

CEOs are in my experience more in danger of reading one or two customer reviews and going mental than staff closer to the coal face.

You seem over the last 48 hours to be spouting more nonsense than your whole previous posting history - which is done achievement

A CEO isn’t reading this forum - the commercial team do as I have been called about one thing I mentioned a couple of years ago

 

[wingy]

He could have anyway

That contracts broken now isn't it?

 

[Cally Fedora]

Whether he had to go depends on whether it was him or King that drove recruitment. My money is on King.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Whether he had to go depends on whether it was him or King that drove recruitment. My money is on King.

It was obviously Robins. He set the profile of player we needed and the final sign off. The picking specific players and minutiae of negotiations was where Dean Austin and Doug King came in.

 

[Evo1883]

It was obviously Robins. He set the profile of player we needed and the final sign off. The picking specific players and minutiae of negotiations was where Dean Austin and Doug King came in.

When we signed oliver dovin robins said and I quote " apparantly he's a good keeper "

Picking the profile and saying yes isn't finding the player is it ?
And why would robins say no to his recruitment department ? They've been employed because they are supposedly trustworthy amd good at their job

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

When we signed oliver dovin robins said and I quote " apparantly he's a good keeper "

Picking the profile and saying yes isn't finding the player is it ?
And why would robins say no to his recruitment department ? They've been employed because they are supposedly trustworthy amd good at their job

Think your both agreeing with each other.

Robins would go out and say we need a keeper and tell him what he needs, the head of recruitment (who Mark brought in to be fair) would then review and find them, once Robins was happy then Doug would come into it. Robins might not of been given the full scout package but will of been briefed on them.

 

[shmmeee]

The fact we’re still being linked with players despite not having a manager says all you need to know about who drives transfers.

 

[clint van damme]

When we signed oliver dovin robins said and I quote " apparantly he's a good keeper "

Picking the profile and saying yes isn't finding the player is it ?
And why would robins say no to his recruitment department ? They've been employed because they are supposedly trustworthy amd good at their job

And why would he change the squad demographic that's served him so well?

 

[Evo1883]

Think your both agreeing with each other.

Robins would go out and say we need a keeper and tell him what he needs, the head of recruitment (who Mark brought in to be fair) would then review and find them, once Robins was happy then Doug would come into it. Robins might not of been given the full scout package but will of been briefed on them.

Sure but the fact is scouts and recruitment analysts are the people identifying players based off data to sign for the football club .

Why would Robins say no to a player they believe is good enough to sign ?

And also why was Robins refused when asking to sign matty james if he picks the players to sign

 

[Grendel]

When we signed oliver dovin robins said and I quote " apparantly he's a good keeper "

Picking the profile and saying yes isn't finding the player is it ?
And why would robins say no to his recruitment department ? They've been employed because they are supposedly trustworthy amd good at their job

Robins personally recruited the Head of Recruitment did he not?

 

[Evo1883]

Robins personally recruited the Head of Recruitment did he not?

We have several scouts in the network including Dean Austin who is head of recruitment

 

[Grendel]

We have several scouts in the network including Dean Austin who is head of recruitment

Who was appointed by his friend Robins - yes?

 

[Evo1883]

Who was appointed by his friend Robins - yes?

I'm not sure wether being his friend is at all relevant , the football club appointed Austin, not robins

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Sure but the fact is scouts and recruitment analysts are the people identifying players based off data to sign for the football club .

Why would Robins say no to a player they believe is good enough to sign ?

And also why was Robins refused when asking to sign matty james if he picks the players

Course not as there people he put in place and would often say how good the recruitment team was.

On Matty James we have no idea if we were in for him and even if we were what the nature of us saying no was. He mentioned a conservation where they agreed not to proceed due to wages. If this is true and if what was said about signings in January maybe the money was already spent.

In short I guess, recruitment director trusted and hired by Robins was trusted to bring in good players who fit the target given by Mark and Doug.

Don’t think Mark had total say but don’t believe the opposite either.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

When we signed oliver dovin robins said and I quote " apparantly he's a good keeper "

Picking the profile and saying yes isn't finding the player is it ?
And why would robins say no to his recruitment department ? They've been employed because they are supposedly trustworthy amd good at their job

If you set the agenda of who to sign, and have final say on a signing, that’s recruitment being driven by the manager and his team. Not Doug King.

I could be wrong, but I’m confident that Dean Austin was brought in by Mark Robins and before Doug King became owner.

Besides… Is this going to be abnormal in the football world? I don’t think so. Recruitment has moved on from the 2000s where a scout would sit and watch players. The starting point for recruitment now is data analytics and using ‘x, y and z’ parameters to identify playerz

 

[Grendel]

I'm not sure wether being his friend is at all relevant
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Of course it’s relevant. He chose the person to lead the recruitment team. It’s his decision and he’s accountable,

 

[Evo1883]

Of course it’s relevant. He chose the person to lead the recruitment team. It’s his decision and he’s accountable,

But Austin isn't scouting the players ? I've just shown you who our head scout is ? Is Austin negotiating transfers ?

Point is robins isn't identifying players to sign .. and neither will the new man be

 

[Evo1883]

If you set the agenda of who to sign, and have final say on a signing, that’s recruitment being driven by the manager and his team. Not Doug King.

I could be wrong, but I’m confident that Dean Austin was brought in by Mark Robins and before Doug King became owner.

Besides… Is this going to be abnormal in the football world? I don’t think so. Recruitment has moved on from the 2000s where a scout would sit and watch players. The starting point for recruitment now is data analytics and using ‘x, y and z’ parameters to identify playerz

I'm not saying doug king is picking and signing players though ?

Austin joined in December 22

 

[Evo1883]

The same people identifying the players to sign for the last 18 months will be the same people identifying the players to sign for the new manager ... this is fact

 

[Nick]

Fucking hell. There's severe barrel scraping.

 

[Nick]

The same people identifying the players to sign for the last 18 months will be the same people identifying the players to sign for the new manager ... this is fact

Different person giving the brief on the type of player and having the final say though.

 

[Grendel]

But Austin isn't scouting the players ? I've just shown you who our head scout is ? Is Austin negotiating transfers ?

Point is robins isn't identifying players to sign .. and neither will the new man be

Most clubs operate this way. He did say he has the final say though? Also the high profile signings like Simms and definitely Waghorn were his choices

 

[Evo1883]

Different person giving the brief on the type of player and having the final say though.

I'm pretty sure the type of players we have here are not even the issue anyway .. I'm pretty sure we missed out on players in key positions namely 2 central midfielder maybe 3 that we know of .

Fact is over the last 18 months robins hasn't been identifying players to sign

 

[Evo1883]

Most clubs operate this way. He did say he has the final say though? Also the high profile signings like Simms and definitely Waghorn were his choices

As I've just stated I don't even think our recruitment is bad , I think the team however is missing a couple of signings in key places that wasn't addressed in pre season

I think largely Dean Austin and his scouts have done a decent job , I would question some of the fees paid though

We need to address the squads lack of midfielders and leadership in January regardless

 

[TomRad85]

Most clubs operate this way. He did say he has the final say though? Also the high profile signings like Simms and definitely Waghorn were his choices

BTA and Kitching too, who are among the more controversial big money signings.

 

[Nick]

I'm pretty sure the type of players we have here are not even the issue anyway .. I'm pretty sure we missed out on players in key positions namely 2 central midfielder maybe 3 that we know of .

Fact is over the last 18 months robins hasn't been identifying players to sign

He wouldn't have been anyway, it would be the previous scouts. No different.

What's with the extreme desperation to make out he's not at fault for some of it?

 

[Evo1883]

He wouldn't have been anyway, it would be the previous scouts.

What's with the extreme desperation to make out he's not at fault for some of it?

There is no desperation at all , and it's certainly not extreme to suggest that Mark robins is not solely to blame for the players at the club and the holes in our squad


There is never a less true statement said than mark robins wasted 45 million pound

He is 1 part of a larger scale operation , the rest of the operation will remain for the new man

 

[Evo1883]

Before Dean Austin and the current network we had 1 or 2 scouts, Dave boddy, mark robins and viveash