shmmeee
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Doing better than Robins would be finishing 16th
16th would be our lowest finish since the first season up.
What’s your expectation for the new guy? (19 Viewers)
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16th would be our lowest finish since the first season up.
Grendel
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Without Wright we’d be bottom of the league
Ring Of Steel
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I find myself asking if this really what the people who were calling for Robins’ head wanted, to be able to aim for 16th place? Is that the giant backward step they were hoping for?
Grendel
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it’s interesting Ring of Steel is laughing so how many points would we have without him?
Jamesimus
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That’s cool, you don’t have to! I don’t get why you wouldn’t give a new person at least a small proportion of the time / patience we gave the last manager. I assumed we’d all learned by now that often people need time to settle into their roles?!
skybluecam
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have you read the thread?
I said top 10 should be the target for the new manager.
But apparently according to others anything less than playoffs from this point is a failure, even though we have wasted 1/3 of the season and would have to go an incredible run to get there.
TomRad85
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Based on this season? My only point was ever I thought there were managers out there who could get more from this group, many said they didn't think that was the case as we'd been left with a poor group of players. Those are the people that shouldn't expect any upturn.
I do however. As I say, top half this season and significantly improved home form is imperative. Whether people like it or not football is a business and the home form we've shown for some time would eventually see dwindling crowds. So I class that as vitally important.
Ring Of Steel
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That’s right, and penalties don’t count, and without Vik we wouldn’t have got to the playoffs etc etc- the full shooting match of whataboutery and deflection will no doubt get an airing now.
You’ve demanded the head of a manager who without fail turns around bad starts, you’ve spoken about how King needs a return on his investments, how it’s a results business, but now you’re saying you’re expecting lower mid table, which is where we are anyway, and a lot lower than Robins had us in the last few seasons.
If it is him, do you really think King is going to pay for a ‘name’ like Frank Lampard and say “16th will do, Frank?”
Sky Blue Goblin
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Same as I would have taken for Mark after Derby. 9-12 first year and play offs following
Ring Of Steel
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and I accept that, I agree with you. Aiming for lower mid table is not getting any more out of the players than we have already. Pointless.
Nick
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Because we are a third of the season in and are just outside the relegation zone. So things change from the start of the season.
It's like saying expectations would change based on a points deduction.
It's not hard.
TomRad85
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Yeh agreed, that would be a disappointing outcome for the season.
Nick
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What the fuck are you on about now?
Grendel
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When robins left we were goal difference above relegation - not lower mid table
When robins left we were goal difference above relegation - not lower mid table
Ring Of Steel
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what position in the table was that?
ccfc922
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Changed vote from top 10 to play offs.
Top 10 is what I expect from the position we're in but if MR has been sacked, then I can only assume to objective is play offs, which is what I will then expect.
I hope we have some clarification as to what the aim actually is this season, as I was under the impression it was "Up!" going by the pre season marketing and all we've heard since Stoke away was to "manage expectations" from MR. It did seem MR was going against what had been set by DK.
I haven't got an issue with slowly building, but the owner/marketing emphasising on promotion adds confusion to expectations. We've always had to be grateful for just existing so it is confusing as to what to expect.
Sky Blue Goblin
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Feel like that’s a bit of schematics. Get your point and I wasn’t for us getting rid of Robins when he went as felt we were turning the corner but being 17 on goal difference isn’t mid table when draws below you would drag you into the 22 spot.
usskyblue
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Time managed and the achievements made (under difficult circumstances) are undeniable, even to the most objectionable of posters on here.
The scrutiny is heightened because MR had a track record of turning around poor starts. Whether he would’ve this time, we’ll never know.. but what we’ve gone from is trusting he could, to him now being gone and someone new taking over. What are the expectations for the new HC? No idea..and that in itself is the problem.
DK will end up being a hero or a fuckinidiot.. but in the meantime, we’ve gone from hoping for the familiar MR upturn, to not knowing what fucking direction we’re going in.
The scrutiny is heightened because MR had a track record of turning around poor starts. Whether he would’ve this time, we’ll never know.. but what we’ve gone from is trusting he could, to him now being gone and someone new taking over. What are the expectations for the new HC? No idea..and that in itself is the problem.
DK will end up being a hero or a fuckinidiot.. but in the meantime, we’ve gone from hoping for the familiar MR upturn, to not knowing what fucking direction we’re going in.
SBAndy
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It’s almost better to have a points target in mind. You can’t legislate for what the rest of the league does.
67 points this season given where we are at the moment would suffice.
And whilst Wright may be out, it’s up to any new manager to find a system that gets the best out of others in his absence.
67 points this season given where we are at the moment would suffice.
And whilst Wright may be out, it’s up to any new manager to find a system that gets the best out of others in his absence.
Flying Fokker
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He needs to maintain his portfolio of success?
.TBH. I back our managers as long as they know more than Slade and the other rubbish we had during the decline.
Flying Fokker
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT
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Gynnsthetonic
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There isn't a Robins out crew, your just sulking same as others and trying to shit stir like you always do
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Unless the new manager gets us into the play offs then sacking Robins has been a complete waste of time. I'm assuming Mr King believed that under Robins the play offs were unachievable . If not, I can't understand the sacking at all.
skybluecam
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I genuinely think people have lost brain cells since the sacking. Basic logic has gone out of the window.
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT
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A win on penalties at Wembley would be nice, League playoffs or FA cup. 
The watchmaker
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This is f#king hilarious. Are people seriously trying to brainwash us into thinking this season's play off hopes were over. Preston North End once made up a nine point gap in the last 3 games of the season to pip Cardiff City and yet somehow 8 points in November - might as well give up.
RegTheDonk
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Write this down Pete, we're counting on you.
Sky Blue Harry H
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How people can say that they expect the new manager to reach autos as a 'bare minimum' is mind-blowingly bonkers.
We were struggling, so at this stage, provided we rebuild in a positive way, I will be happy. Provided we are in this division next season (assuming we can't make play offs) I will be happy to regroup (with an undoubtedly different squad), and hopefully a bit of money to have a real go. We will see.
We were struggling, so at this stage, provided we rebuild in a positive way, I will be happy. Provided we are in this division next season (assuming we can't make play offs) I will be happy to regroup (with an undoubtedly different squad), and hopefully a bit of money to have a real go. We will see.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Assuming the new manager is installed for the first game back, he's got 31 league games to play with. Thinking in terms of PPG from then on:
1.00 takes us to 47 pts
1.25 to 55
1.50 to 63
1.75 to 70
2.00 to 78
MR got a point a game before he was sacked, so someone doing 25% 'better' gets us safe but little more, 50% better takes us into mid table and 75% would take us to the edge of the play offs. 2 points a game is what Sunderland at the top are managing.
Realistically how much better will a new manager do with the same players? Impossible call.
1.00 takes us to 47 pts
1.25 to 55
1.50 to 63
1.75 to 70
2.00 to 78
MR got a point a game before he was sacked, so someone doing 25% 'better' gets us safe but little more, 50% better takes us into mid table and 75% would take us to the edge of the play offs. 2 points a game is what Sunderland at the top are managing.
Realistically how much better will a new manager do with the same players? Impossible call.
RegTheDonk
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Going to really miss him, hope its a quick recovery.
Ring Of Steel
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Funnily enough, some of the people who were calling for Robins’ head are now saying pretty much that, that it’s all over for the season already. I doubt that King and whoever the new guy is are thinking the same way, at least I very much hope not.This is f#king hilarious. Are people seriously trying to brainwash us into thinking this season's play off hopes were over. Preston North End once made up a nine point gap in the last 3 games of the season to pip Cardiff City and yet somehow 8 points in November - might as well give up.
Ring Of Steel
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After 15 games last season we were 20th, on 15 points. After 46 games we had 64 points, so about 1.58 points per game (with the cup run thrown in there), and we keep being told the last 9 months were shite and that these are talented players, so we have to expect any new manager to at least match that per game.