Southport Stabbing (48 Viewers)

[MalcSB]

Of course so they are making a profit? I wouldn’t have thought they were but maybe less of a loss

So are they the baddies and we need to get tough with them? Diplomatically??

Yes

 

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[rob9872]

Why is declining birthrate seen as a bad thing? I understand that it stops economic growth, but so what? If the pound shrinks or house prices fall etc etc why does it matter? Less people, less requirement for housing, less strain on services and infrastructure, yes less resources available but we wont need as many. More space, better conditions for thise who are here including those who have come to Britain, I can't see the downside. If people arent willing to do certain jobs then they become more important and the wage will rise to meet demand, whether that be farming. cleaning toilets, working in retail or other manual trades then the balance will be restored.

 

[MalcSB]

I’ve not seen that. Do they do it brazenly from beaches in plain sight?

An example, there are more,

French 'police watch on' as overcrowded dinghy heads across English Channel

New pictures show French authorities filming with their phones as migrants struggle through the waves to cram onto an overcrowded boat heading to Britain.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Marty]

We have lots of space too. That’s almost what aboutery. The other thing is often it’s countries close to war zones or natural disasters that take in neighbouring countries migrant population and only for a period of time

I’ve asked you lot so what’s mine

Part of it is being honest about the problem and that is linked with saying what is what isn’t possible

So with our birth rate we are screwed without managed migration of working age foreigners

As fellow human beings we need to assume that other human beings are the same as us

We need to understand and not assume that we know the circumstances of those who are taking huge risks to come to the uk. That’s all of us and I’m not judging people who disagree with me as less compassionate or empathetic

We need to be honest about what happens with crime and balance the positive and negative aspects of large numbers of people from different cultures being in the country

We have to talk and not generalise and pigeon hole groups of people based on where they’re from or their age or their nationality or their colour of race or religion or none

We need to reduce the numbers of non skilled non traumatised people from other countries coming to the country. We need to talk to all our close partners on this and work together to amend the echr and other agreeemements made decades ago in a different age and in a different world

Mostly and fundamentally for me we need to ensure we remain true to our human standards of decency and humanity in our dealings with other countries and fellow human beings

Read this paragraph as I'm retiring soon and we need more suckers to pay into the Ponzi scheme that is the state pension.

 

[Grendel]

There is no mature discussion, if people have an issue they are "far right" and "racist".

Go hang about by Cov Hill Hotel or Culworth Court for a day and you will soon see that the majority aren't grateful Ukranian families.

Yes Allesley has been ruined by the policies of that hotel.

The local shop is robbed daily and undesirables wandering the streets day and night

 

[Marty]

How?

Turn the boats around in the sea. These people are already in a perfectly safe country, putting your own life in danger to cross a body of water is quite frankly stupid and ultimately they are not our problem. It'll only take a week's worth of boats being turned around before they stop.

Ones that have overstayed visa's will be living somewhere, use bank accounts etc. just use that information, turn up at the door and deport.

 

[SBT]

Let's face it, they could stop all of the boats leaving their shores if they wanted to.

They could, but they’re heavily incentivised not to. If we spent millions to stop migrants from voluntarily leaving our country then the government would get hammered for it.

The problem needs international co-ordination, and the acceptance that not every political group in every country is going to be 100% happy with the outcome.

 

[Nick]

They could, but they’re heavily incentivised not to. If we spent millions to stop migrants from voluntarily leaving our country then the government would get hammered for it.

The problem needs international co-ordination, and the acceptance that not every political group in every country is going to be 100% happy with the outcome.

We are giving them millions for them to stop people leaving France aren't we?

Sunak and Macron summit: UK to give £500m to help France curb small boat crossings

The cash will fund a French detention centre and is a big increase on what the UK already pays France.

www.bbc.co.uk

Is that still happening?

 

[SBT]

We are giving them millions for them to stop people leaving France aren't we?

Sunak and Macron summit: UK to give £500m to help France curb small boat crossings

The cash will fund a French detention centre and is a big increase on what the UK already pays France.

www.bbc.co.uk

Is that still happening?

I assume so - my point is that it’s hardly likely to work.

If your solution to a major problem is to outsource it to someone else (who has their own issues with the very same problem) then can you really act surprised if it fails?

 

[Nick]

I assume so - my point is that it’s hardly likely to work.

If your solution to a major problem is to outsource it to someone else (who has their own issues with the very same problem) then can you really act surprised if it fails?

So what's the money being spent on?

 

[SBT]

So what's the money being spent on?

You don’t need me to tell you, it’s in the third paragraph of the article you posted.

But again - if you think we can just outsource this issue, then you’re not taking it seriously.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

An example, there are more,

French 'police watch on' as overcrowded dinghy heads across English Channel

New pictures show French authorities filming with their phones as migrants struggle through the waves to cram onto an overcrowded boat heading to Britain.

www.express.co.uk

I would hope so cause that’s the express which is to truth what Farage is to community relations

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Turn the boats around in the sea. These people are already in a perfectly safe country, putting your own life in danger to cross a body of water is quite frankly stupid and ultimately they are not our problem. It'll only take a week's worth of boats being turned around before they stop.

Ones that have overstayed visa's will be living somewhere, use bank accounts etc. just use that information, turn up at the door and deport.

We do do the turn up at doors but like the home office didn’t invest in enough staff to make a dent

The first paragraph walk me through like I’m an idiot how that works. Who does it? What international laws would we be in danger of breaking?
Any consequences that you would feel uncomfortable seeing?

 

[MalcSB]

They could, but they’re heavily incentivised not to. If we spent millions to stop migrants from voluntarily leaving our country then the government would get hammered for it.

The problem needs international co-ordination, and the acceptance that not every political group in every country is going to be 100% happy with the outcome.

They have been paid millions by the UK to do just that.

 

[MalcSB]

I would hope so cause that’s the express which is to truth what Farage is to community relations

First one I could find, as I said there were more at the time.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

First one I could find, as I said there were more at the time.

I’m not doubting it but seems unlikely and if so why do they take dangerous trips at night or when the seas are choppy if they could just do it when they like

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Sometimes I love this forum today is one of those days
Thanks for not jumping down my throat

 

[MalcSB]

I would hope so cause that’s the express which is to truth what Farage is to community relations

French police stand by as Channel migrants leave Normandy beach for Britain

Around a dozen officers, some of whom had riot shields and batons, seen at the water’s edge at Gravelines, Normandy

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[SBT]

They have been paid millions by the UK to do just that.

If you think they’re going to do anything other than the bare minimum then I don’t know what to tell you. Any other country would do the same. Outsourcing the problem to the French and expecting them to save the day for us is totally naive.

 

[Marty]

We do do the turn up at doors but like the home office didn’t invest in enough staff to make a dent

The first paragraph walk me through like I’m an idiot how that works. Who does it? What international laws would we be in danger of breaking?
Any consequences that you would feel uncomfortable seeing?

Who gives a fuck what international laws we're breaking... Nobody else seems to stick to anything.

I assume I'm correct about the pensions.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

If you think they’re going to do anything other than the bare minimum then I don’t know what to tell you. Any other country would do the same. Outsourcing the problem to the French and expecting them to save the day for us is totally naive.

Or as what appears to be the case us doing what looks politically expedient but being quite happy with the outcome

 

[fatso]

We have lots of space too. That’s almost what aboutery. The other thing is often it’s countries close to war zones or natural disasters that take in neighbouring countries migrant population and only for a period of time

I’ve asked you lot so what’s mine

Part of it is being honest about the problem and that is linked with saying what is what isn’t possible

So with our birth rate we are screwed without managed migration of working age foreigners

As fellow human beings we need to assume that other human beings are the same as us

We need to understand and not assume that we know the circumstances of those who are taking huge risks to come to the uk. That’s all of us and I’m not judging people who disagree with me as less compassionate or empathetic

We need to be honest about what happens with crime and balance the positive and negative aspects of large numbers of people from different cultures being in the country

We have to talk and not generalise and pigeon hole groups of people based on where they’re from or their age or their nationality or their colour of race or religion or none

We need to reduce the numbers of non skilled non traumatised people from other countries coming to the country. We need to talk to all our close partners on this and work together to amend the echr and other agreeemements made decades ago in a different age and in a different world

Mostly and fundamentally for me we need to ensure we remain true to our human standards of decency and humanity in our dealings with other countries and fellow human beings

I agree with this in principle, but the issue for me is the sheer number of people that have entered the country in such a short period of time.

We are an ageing population, HOWEVER, we are a country that has a housing shortage as it is, we are also a country with crumbling schools, decaying roads, outdated trains, a health system in collapse, and a society that can no longer afford a winter fuel allowance for its most vulnerable.

Those of us that do work are faced with the highest tax burden in living memory, and yet STILL more people continue to flood in and drain our resources.

Just how bad do things have to get before we put up the Britain is Full sign?

What will eventually happen, is that sooner or later there will be a massive upsurge in extreme right wing support as decent people look for someone to hear their concerns.

If we don't act soon I fear this will be inevitable.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Who gives a fuck what international laws we're breaking... Nobody else seems to stick to anything.

I assume I'm correct about the pensions.

We do because we are a nation that means something that wants to lead the world in doing the right thing and being humane and respectful

We need a worldwide consensus or we need to play hardball and use our military but know that this doesn’t come without consequences

Probably bang on about pensions

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I agree with this in principle, but the issue for me is the sheer number of people that have entered the country in such a short period of time.

We are an ageing population, HOWEVER, we are a country that has a housing shortage as it is, we are also a country with crumbling schools, decaying roads, outdated trains, a health system in collapse, and a society that can no longer afford a winter fuel allowance for its most vulnerable.

Those of us that do work are faced with the highest tax burden in living memory, and yet STILL more people continue to flood in and drain our resources.

Just how bad do things have to get before we put up the Britain is Full sign?

What will eventually happen, is that sooner or later there will be a massive upsurge in extreme right wing support as decent people look for someone to hear their concerns.

If we don't act soon I fear this will be inevitable.

It’s happened and I don’t think we can tread back

again no judgment but when a reasonable person on here can say they fear for their daughters safety waiting at a bus stop near to a hotel where migrants are staying we’ve gone over to legitimising what we would have considered illegitimate just a few years ago

Im not saying Nick is wrong to he concerned either and he’s just being honest about how he’s feeling

 

[Nick]

We do because we are a nation that means something that wants to lead the world in doing the right thing and being humane and respectful

Humane and Respectful or rinsed?

 

[fatso]

Why is declining birthrate seen as a bad thing? I understand that it stops economic growth, but so what? If the pound shrinks or house prices fall etc etc why does it matter? Less people, less requirement for housing, less strain on services and infrastructure, yes less resources available but we wont need as many. More space, better conditions for thise who are here including those who have come to Britain, I can't see the downside. If people arent willing to do certain jobs then they become more important and the wage will rise to meet demand, whether that be farming. cleaning toilets, working in retail or other manual trades then the balance will be restored.

It would be a financial disaster for the economy, in terms of demographics you'd get the dreaded reverse pyramid, ie, way too many elderly not working, drawing a pension and swamping the NHS,
while at the same time having way to few people in work to pay the taxes to fund all the pensions, let alone maintaining the nations infrastructure.

Ask yourself this, if our birth rate is declining so rapidly (which it is) why are we building so many new houses? And who is going to be buying and occupying all these houses in 30 years time???

My guess is that the government are quietly encouraging all immigration, both legal and illegal, in order to sustain a future work force, and I suggest any noise they make about stopping the illegal migrants is nothing but lip service.
I actually think they are secretly accelerating the process before other European countries try to tempt them to come.

This all plays into the left wings recent university campaigns of recent years, to quietly poison the minds of our young against being British, and to blame Britain and colonialism for the worlds ills, and so to raise a generation of young tax payers who are open to see the culture of the country dramatically change in an incredibly short period of time.

 

[SBT]

I preferred the moon landing stuff

 

[fatso]

It’s happened and I don’t think we can tread back

again no judgment but when a reasonable person on here can say they fear for their daughters safety waiting at a bus stop near to a hotel where migrants are staying we’ve gone over to legitimising what we would have considered illegitimate just a few years ago

Im not saying Nick is wrong to he concerned either and he’s just being honest about how he’s feeling

I hate to say this Pete, but Germany was able to tread back in the 1930's.
If people's concerns arnt addressed, there will be a kick back in one way or another.

For example. The migrants being held in Tamworth were removed once the local population rioted, those migrants have been moved. How long before more riots ensue? (Not that I'm advocating that of course) but I can see more trouble ahead.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I’m not doubting it but seems unlikely and if so why do they take dangerous trips at night or when the seas are choppy if they could just do it when they like

I have a client down in Hythe, he said to me that it used to be the case they mainly came through the night and then scattered as soon as they landed. It is generally the case now that they sit on the beach and wait to get picked up by busses. What does that tell you?

We do because we are a nation that means something that wants to lead the world in doing the right thing and being humane and respectful

We are going in the direction of not being a nation with the level of immigration we currently have.

 

[fatso]

I preferred the moon landing stuff

That's probably your level tbf.

 

[SBT]

We are going in the direction of not being a nation with the level of immigration we currently have.

I think the problem is more of a logistical one than an existential one.

 

[MalcSB]

So what's the money being spent on?

Baguettes

 

[MalcSB]

We do because we are a nation that means something that wants to lead the world in doing the right thing and being humane and respectful

We need a worldwide consensus or we need to play hardball and use our military but know that this doesn’t come without consequences

Probably bang on about pensions

TBH, I'm getting a bit bored with the "we want to be leaders" crap.

Get in line.

 

[MalcSB]

We have lots of space too. That’s almost what aboutery. The other thing is often it’s countries close to war zones or natural disasters that take in neighbouring countries migrant population and only for a period of time

I’ve asked you lot so what’s mine

Part of it is being honest about the problem and that is linked with saying what is what isn’t possible

So with our birth rate we are screwed without managed migration of working age foreigners

As fellow human beings we need to assume that other human beings are the same as us

We need to understand and not assume that we know the circumstances of those who are taking huge risks to come to the uk. That’s all of us and I’m not judging people who disagree with me as less compassionate or empathetic

We need to be honest about what happens with crime and balance the positive and negative aspects of large numbers of people from different cultures being in the country

We have to talk and not generalise and pigeon hole groups of people based on where they’re from or their age or their nationality or their colour of race or religion or none

We need to reduce the numbers of non skilled non traumatised people from other countries coming to the country. We need to talk to all our close partners on this and work together to amend the echr and other agreeemements made decades ago in a different age and in a different world

Mostly and fundamentally for me we need to ensure we remain true to our human standards of decency and humanity in our dealings with other countries and fellow human beings

There are plenty with lots more space than we have. And then people complain about house prices and availability of social housing.

 

[MalcSB]

Who gives a fuck what international laws we're breaking... Nobody else seems to stick to anything.

I assume I'm correct about the pensions.

State pensions being a Ponzi scheme? I hadn't thought about it that way before, but yes.