Josh Eccles (6 Viewers)

[theskyisthelimit]

Fascinating, I was talking about the days when we only had one to eleven on the shirts, if Michael Doyle had been playing back in them days he would have been the number four.

Yeah I agree he would have been. I must have misinterpreted your original comment.

I do think Eccles is a good player and as the academy seems to have dried up for a while, it is good that we have one in our team on merit and not because he is purely a Coventry lad, like we have had in the past with the likes of Kevin Thornton and Curtis Wynter etc

 

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[SBbucks]

I remember the good old days when the number 6 plays long side the number 5 both Centre Half's.

And the number 4 would be the defensive midfielder i.e Ernie Machin ,Lloyd McGrath, Michael Doyle.

The “good old days” of rigid formations and dull, unimaginative football. Thank goodness we’ve moved on.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

The “good old days” of rigid formations and dull, unimaginative football. Thank goodness we’ve moved on.

Yeah not like today, players rolling around on the floor and playing chuckle brothers football.

"To me to you" and always passing it inside.

Yeah that's really entertaining.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

I remember the good old days when the number 6 plays long side the number 5 both Centre Half's.

And the number 4 would be the defensive midfielder i.e Ernie Machin ,Lloyd McGrath, Michael Doyle.

Yeah, posted this before but in the good old 442, pre big squad number days, the numbers would be:

1 GK
2 RB
3 LB
4 CM/DM
5 CB
6 CB
7 RM
8 CM/AM
9 ST
10 ST
11 LM

 

[Speedies_Chips]

Michael Doyle wore 17 when signed the first time in 2003/04 and continued with it for the next season. The season afterwards
(2005/06) He moved to number 8 and was captaining that season if my memory serves. Then he wore 8 until he was loaned out to Leeds in 2009/10. He then had 8 again when he returned in League 2 in 2017/18. I am a bit of a Doyle fan if you can not tell and was my favourite player after McSheffrey left in 2006.

TLDR: Doyle did not wear 4 for us. He wore 17 and then 8

So who was our best No. 17? Doyle or Gyokeres?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Fascinating, I was talking about the days when we only had one to eleven on the shirts, if Michael Doyle had been playing back in them days he would have been the number four.

He literally had the No. 8

 

[SBbucks]

Yeah not like today, players rolling around on the floor and playing chuckle brothers football.

"To me to you" and always passing it inside.

Yeah that's really entertaining.

I’m guessing you’re the one shouting “forward” at every opportunity? If you took off your rose-tinted glasses, you’ld see that the standard of football and technical ability are now light years ahead of your good old days. Added to that, I’m sure you would also remember the dreadful pitches, the incessant backpasses, no incentive to try and win games (as only 2 points for a win), unpunished thuggery on the pitch, poor crowds, appalling stadiums.
Is it perfect? Of course not - we’ve got VAR, weak referees not enforcing the laws/guidance, undoubtedly more playacting and the game being run by Sky. But on balance, it’s a massively better sport to watch. And before you ask, I’ve been watching since 1964 so suffered through the old (but not good) days.

 

[theskyisthelimit]

So who was our best No. 17? Doyle or Gyokeres?

Gyok....only because Doyler had his best days in an 8 shirt haha

 

[theskyisthelimit]

Yeah, posted this before but in the good old 442, pre big squad number days, the numbers would be:

1 GK
2 RB
3 LB
4 CM/DM
5 CB
6 CB
7 RM
8 CM/AM
9 ST
10 ST
11 LM

The Sven days of England

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

I’m guessing you’re the one shouting “forward” at every opportunity? If you took off your rose-tinted glasses, you’ld see that the standard of football and technical ability are now light years ahead of your good old days. Added to that, I’m sure you would also remember the dreadful pitches, the incessant backpasses, no incentive to try and win games (as only 2 points for a win), unpunished thuggery on the pitch, poor crowds, appalling stadiums.
Is it perfect? Of course not - we’ve got VAR, weak referees not enforcing the laws/guidance, undoubtedly more playacting and the game being run by Sky. But on balance, it’s a massively better sport to watch. And before you ask, I’ve been watching since 1964 so suffered through the old (but not good) days.

For the record I've never shouted forward, shoot yes, not enough shooting in our team is what I say.

 

[SBbucks]

For the record I've never shouted forward, shoot yes, not enough shooting in our team is what I say.

We can agree on that.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

He literally had the No. 8

Nah, Ian Gibson was a number 8, could pass a ball and score goals.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Nah, Ian Gibson was a number 8, could pass a ball and score goals.

Maybe. But you said in the old days with 1-11 he'd be 4. He had no 8 for years which, last time I checked, was between 1 and 11.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Maybe. But you said in the old days with 1-11 he'd be 4. He had no 8 for years which, last time I checked, was between 1 and 11.

Right let's talk hypothetically, if Ian Gibson and Michael Doyle were in the same side who would be the number 4 and who would be the number 8.

 

[Otis]

I’m guessing you’re the one shouting “forward” at every opportunity? If you took off your rose-tinted glasses, you’ld see that the standard of football and technical ability are now light years ahead of your good old days. Added to that, I’m sure you would also remember the dreadful pitches, the incessant backpasses, no incentive to try and win games (as only 2 points for a win), unpunished thuggery on the pitch, poor crowds, appalling stadiums.
Is it perfect? Of course not - we’ve got VAR, weak referees not enforcing the laws/guidance, undoubtedly more playacting and the game being run by Sky. But on balance, it’s a massively better sport to watch. And before you ask, I’ve been watching since 1964 so suffered through the old (but not good) days.

Yeah, I used to be one of those shouting "forward" and "shoot" at every opportunity, but just look how many goals Clarrie Bourton got that season.

It was justified and "lump it forward and shoot" was tactical masterstroke of its day

 

[clint van damme]

The “good old days” of rigid formations and dull, unimaginative football. Thank goodness we’ve moved on.

Don't forget the back pass!

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Don't forget the back pass!

And challenging the goalkeepers.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Right let's talk hypothetically, if Ian Gibson and Michael Doyle were in the same side who would be the number 4 and who would be the number 8.

I'm not disagreeing with you on what number he should be in this hypothetical 1-11. I'm saying he literally was 8. For years.

Though I will be controversial in saying I never liked having the 4 as a midfielder with 5 and 6 as defenders. I preferred 4 as a CB and 6 as a midfielder.

 

[SBbucks]

Don't forget the back pass!

I didn’t forget the back passes, you must have missed that bit!
Outlawing the back pass and awarding 3 points for a win were the most significant and positive law/rule changes most of us will have seen in our lifetimes.

 

[SBbucks]

Yeah, I used to be one of those shouting "forward" and "shoot" at every opportunity, but just look how many goals Clarrie Bourton got that season.

It was justified and "lump it forward and shoot" was tactical masterstroke of its day

They had to adapt to the pitches they played on, it didn’t make it good to watch though. But if you saw Clarrie Bourton play I’ll obviously bow to your first-hand knowledge.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

I'm not disagreeing with you on what number he should be in this hypothetical 1-11. I'm saying he literally was 8. For years.

Though I will be controversial in saying I never liked having the 4 as a midfielder with 5 and 6 as defenders. I preferred 4 as a CB and 6 as a midfielder.

Ok if that's what you prefer, what's more important is ,what position did they actually play.

 

[Skybluekyle]

Give the likes of this forum a choice, and we'll be back to static 4-4-2 formation football, cavorting druids, death by stoning and dung for dinner

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

He didn't want to go.
We could have tried to force him out for the money, (has happened often in the past), but we didn't, and equally he could have dug his heels in.

One things for sure, his value has dropped, and I'd say quite dramatically.

I hear you, but I would say his value hasn't dropped that dramatically. I don't think it was anywhere near as high as some were making out it was in the first place. This is partially qualified by no real suitable offers coming in. If there had been no question Doug would have sold him.

 

[peteCCFC]

He didn't want to go.
We could have tried to force him out for the money, (has happened often in the past), but we didn't, and equally he could have dug his heels in.

One things for sure, his value has dropped, and I'd say quite dramatically.

Missed all of pre-season, chucked into a team in disarray and expected to lead the ship. Give him 5-6 months of injury free football and his value will dramatically rise again. (contract dependant of course)

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I hear you, but I would say his value hasn't dropped that dramatically. I don't think it was anywhere near as high as some were making out it was in the first place. This is partially qualified by no real suitable offers coming in. If there had been no question Doug would have sold him.

I think it has, he has looked much worse than last season.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

How long does sheaf have left on his contract

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How long does sheaf have left on his contract

1.5 years

 

[Ccfcisparks]

1.5 years

If we could get 8 figures in January I’d snap their hand off

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I think it has, he has looked much worse than last season.

Well we will have to disagree there I think. He's doing everything I've always been pointing out, I just think after so long of looking through rose-tinted glasses, his weaknesses are now a bit more well known and widely accepted. You couldn't criticise him last season without causing a meltdown, but I'm genuinely not seeing a huge difference.

Even those one dimensional stat websites are giving him high scores still, but they don't, and never have, painted the full picture. In the same playground, Basette was rated our lowest performing player on futmob on Saturday - the same website most of the Sheaf clique use all the time.

I really think there was always a hype train that people jumped on and got carried away with.

 

[wingy]

So who was our best No. 17? Doyle or Gyokeres?

Bassette, not accident I think.

 

[clint van damme]

I hear you, but I would say his value hasn't dropped that dramatically. I don't think it was anywhere near as high as some were making out it was in the first place. This is partially qualified by no real suitable offers coming in. If there had been no question Doug would have sold him.

We definitely got offered 15
He declined the move not the club.
I can't see any way we get that for him now though hopefully you're right and his value hasn't dropped too much.
I know someone who knows his family, I haven't seen them for a bit but will probably see them at Cardiff so will try to find out more.

 

[alexccfc99]

He's really earned a new deal

It's a toss up between him and Wright for POTS so far this season and he is a natural successor to the armband when Sheaf does eventually move on

Touching 150 apps aged only 24 he will go on to make as many appearances as he wants for us I reckon, glad the club have got this done and finalised

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

We definitely got offered 15
He declined the move not the club.
I can't see any way we get that for him now though hopefully you're right and his value hasn't dropped too much.
I know someone who knows his family, I haven't seen them for a bit but will probably see them at Cardiff so will try to find out more.

I still find it very hard to believe.

His value hasn't dropped much, but that figure you're quoting, if true, was a stupid high offer and was well above it, not the benchmark for it. It should have been accepted, because amongst other reasons, I can't see in any world how someone offers anything close again.

No doubt his family will say Barcelona are coming in for him in January, and people will lap it up. Inflated view of oneself is a problem here, and it's had a big impact on us as a squad.

 

[clint van damme]

I still find it very hard to believe.

His value hasn't dropped much, but that figure you're quoting, if true, was a stupid high offer and was well above it, not the benchmark for it. It should have been accepted, because amongst other reasons, I can't see in any world how someone offers anything close again.

No doubt his family will say Barcelona are coming in for him in January, and people will lap it up. Inflated view of oneself is a problem here, and it's had a big impact on us as a squad.

Like I say, he didn't want to go, what can you do?
He obviously has a higher opinion of himself than we do.
I don't think the club would have tried to persuade him to stay if he wanted to go for that money.

 

[shmmeee]

Like I say, he didn't want to go, what can you do?
He obviously has a higher opinion of himself than we do.
I don't think the club would have tried to persuade him to stay if he wanted to go for that money.

King said basically that Stamenic was a proposed replacement for Sheaf. I think people are confused if they think we’ve planned to add another money signing to the midfield. Suggests Sheaf was close to going.