Do you want to discuss boring politics? (40 Viewers)

[SBT]

Also the enormous anti-boomer sentiment- just turned me right off. There are people on here who have really shifted me politically to the right which I’m sure would t have been their intention.

I contributed massively to the benefit of communities through my job. It’s clear that my age group is abominated by many these days, and I’m sorry, but fuck em.

Maybe there’s some kind of lesson here on how aggressively vilifying certain communities is rarely a recipe for helping people assimilate into the social greater good.

 

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[Como]

It is nothing new, but always fascinating to watch what they happily chop and more significantly what they do not.

Says it all.

 

[MalcSB]

Civil servants have to attend the office 3 days per week, so they should be paid London weighting allowance. It's a strange thing but my commuting costs buying individual tickets per day (not in London) to go to the office 3 x per week are as expensive as the repayment on an annual season ticket.

People housed in hotels sequestered by the Home Office are asylum seekers. They are not 'illegal immigrants' until the point that they are denied asylum.

As a country we either need to face up to the fact that we, like all other relatively rich western nations, are going to be somewhere that people will try to migrate to/ seek asylum in. As part of that, we need to face up to the fact that we need to create accommodation to house people coming here so the Home Office isn't using "4 star hotels" to do it.

Many civil servants aren’t though. And those that do should get a maximum of 60%.

Many/ most in the hotels have arrived here illegally and then claim asylum. So they are firstly illegal immigrants and then subsequently claim asylum.

 

[MalcSB]

Maybe there’s some kind of lesson here on how aggressively vilifying certain communities is rarely a recipe for helping people assimilate into the social greater good.

May be. But too little too late,

 

[MalcSB]

For me this decision is possibly the most appalling one for a social justice party who are set up to look after the vulnerable and oppressed be that for the worker against the boss or redistribute extreme wealth and poverty

I can’t believe Keir and Rachel have been defending the level. I’d love to have sight of the impact assessment. An easy answer would be set it at the minimum wage level

I’d always assumed that it wasn’t cost effective to give a benefit to some and not to others hence child benefit always being given but then that changed and it’s not given for those paying higher rate

And in any case it must be possible now. So I don’t think all pensioners require this £300 and it’s right not to give government money to people who don’t need it. Part of why I have always been against privatisation and selling businesses that are monopolies.

I can’t believe that my Labour Party can’t see how poor this decision is it’s like Gordon brown removing the lower rate of tax it was madness

Just seen this.

“An internal impact assessment last week revealed that removing the winter fuel allowance from millions of pensioners could push 100,000 more into poverty.”

Edit but at least the millionaires aren’t getting free money!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Just seen this.

“An internal impact assessment last week revealed that removing the winter fuel allowance from millions of pensioners could push 100,000 more into poverty.”

Edit but at least the millionaires aren’t getting free money!

The tories would have done this and reform probably taken it off everyone

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

As I have said, I personally didn’t need it. It’s the way it was done and a genuine shock that a Labour government would do it that really angered me. Also the enormous anti-boomer sentiment- just turned me right off. There are people on here who have really shifted me politically to the right which I’m sure would t have been their intention.

I contributed massively to the benefit of communities through my job. It’s clear that my age group is abominated by many these days, and I’m sorry, but fuck em. I would be better off not paying taxes, not getting the state pension and paying for my health and eventual social care myself. Of course, I will be paying for the latter anyway, whilst illegal I migrants get put up in hotels etc.

Edit I am self aware enough to recognise that I have basically “lost my shit” over this, but hey ho. I just don’t care,

Your rage was nowhere to be seen when young people were sold down the river for 14 years of Tory neglect. The difference is that the WFP withdrawal bothered me as much as that did.

 

[MalcSB]

Your rage was nowhere to be seen when young people were sold down the river for 14 years of Tory neglect. The difference is that the WFP withdrawal bothered me as much as that did.

I’ve already said that basically I was “triggered” recently.

I didn‘t generally follow politics that closely, didn’t have the time. I imagine you have this sort of stuff in mind.

The Tory policy for young people in Britain is victimisation by design | Owen Jones

It is easy for the government to ignore the plight of this generation, but failure to act damages us all

www.theguardian.com

It will all be so much better by 2029

 

[MalcSB]

The tories would have done this and reform probably taken it off everyone

The only way we can have any certainty is to ensure a single term Labour government and see what their successors do.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Many civil servants aren’t though. And those that do should get a maximum of 60%.

Many/ most in the hotels have arrived here illegally and then claim asylum. So they are firstly illegal immigrants and then subsequently claim asylum.

They are mandated to work 3 days in the office, that is a fact.

Yes, you're right actually, it is technically an offence to arrive in the UK without a valid visa, but they're allowed to try to claim asylum.

 

[Grendel]

Your rage was nowhere to be seen when young people were sold down the river for 14 years of Tory neglect. The difference is that the WFP withdrawal bothered me as much as that did.

I personally did rather well in that period - my children are doing ok. One has their own house - first time buyer with combined £70 k deposit - and another has a job and considerable savings.

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

Labour, what a great start, todays good news that Vauxhall will close its Luton plant axing 1200 jobs in an instance
Christ almighty the way they are going , with the increase in NI, they will be unelectable for decades after this stint
Hey ho Pete and Schmee must be well chuffed with this start.
Again I voted local independent, so don’t you dare accuse me of being a Tory

well done so far, marks out of ten, 1/10 but hey ho let’s move onto Angela Raynors well thought out plans on her policy changes, fuck me this is only going one way.
What an absolute shit show

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

Got to be the worst start of any government in UKs history, but don’t worry Sir Kier and Angela look great in their new clothes they got bought, even though they both earn 100K plus

can’t wait for the next four years

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

Never in my 62 years , is this country more desperate for an an alternative to these two corrupt and incompetent parties.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Got to be the worst start of any government in UKs history, but don’t worry Sir Kier and Angela look great in their new clothes they got bought, even though they both earn 100K plus

can’t wait for the next four years

Probably truss was worse

 

[PVA]

Got to be the worst start of any government in UKs history, but don’t worry Sir Kier and Angela look great in their new clothes they got bought, even though they both earn 100K plus

can’t wait for the next four years

Please list the things that make it the worst start of any government in UK history.

 

[chiefdave]

Never in my 62 years , is this country more desperate for an an alternative to these two corrupt and incompetent parties.

Can't really argue with this. I'd imagine anyone who is bothered enough to be in a politics thread has an above average interest in politics and makes sure to always vote but I increasingly feel its all pointless and neither party comes close to representing me.

And thanks to our system quite frankly voting for anyone else is a total waste of time.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Got to be the worst start of any government in UKs history, but don’t worry Sir Kier and Angela look great in their new clothes they got bought, even though they both earn 100K plus

can’t wait for the next four years

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Starmer 25 November 2024

Speaking to ITV, Sir Keir said: "Look, I remind myself that very many people didn't vote Labour at the last election.

"I'm not surprised that many of them want a rerun. That isn't how our system works."

Starmer 5 July 2024

Sir Keir Starmer has promised to build a "government of service" after becoming the UK's first Labour prime minister since 2010.

Speaking outside 10 Downing Street after his party's landslide election win, he pledged to restore trust in politics and “navigate away to calmer waters”.

And appealing directly to voters who did not back his party, he vowed to put “country first" and govern “unburdened by doctrine”.

Not taken him long to show that those who didn’t vote Labour are of no real concern to him, despite his slippery lies back in July.

You really are windmilling aren't you.

Nowhere are those two statements contradictory.

He did not say that he would allow a GE if a small number of people signed a petition asking for one. Neither does he say he's ignoring those non Labour voters - the fact he's talking about it is proof he's not ignoring it.

It was clear for a long time before the last GE that the Tories were hated and we wanted them out - didn't see them calling the GE early because it was what the people wanted.

And the irony being that the reason they seemingly dislike him is because most of his policies are pandering to them and their ilk as he's basically just continuing what went on before.

It really is getting hard to take you seriously as you are just taking anything they do and trying to find a way to complain about it. Even if he increased pensions and cut taxes you'd complain that it was economically illiterate and would bankrupt the country.

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

Keep up, start to a government. Her government was already in place so stop embarrassing yourself and take this gif fucking down

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

Please list the things that make it the worst start of any government in UK history.

Good god, you need help

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

Probably truss was worse

Fuck me, start to a government, can’t you and dreamer read basic English

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

And why the emoji Pete, please correct me.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

And why the emoji Pete, please correct me.

Smiling you made me smile
No one has given these guys a chance
The £300 money for pensioners is bad nothing else is as bad as everyone is making out

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Keep up, start to a government. Her government was already in place so stop embarrassing yourself and take this gif fucking down

When the PM changes it's effectively a new govt as they change all the ministers and Truss completely and utterly changed the policies the govt were elected under. No-one may have voted but it's a new govt.

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

Not too sure Pete has more than one functional brain cell

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

When the PM changes it's effectively a new govt as they change all the ministers and Truss completely and utterly changed the policies the govt were elected under. No-one may have voted but it's a new govt.

Fuck me you moron, you keep mentioning Truss, how much of this don’t you understand
A new start, bit of a clue

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

The whole of the British political institutions are all corrupt , labour and conservative, both massively corrupt, and it’s been proved since WWII

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

I lost a great friend in the Iraq war, a war to stop a a madman using supposed weapons of mass destruction, yet al they found was he had a rather nasty hand grenade. Yet again under a corrupt government who does exactly what the bloody yanks tell us to do. Don’t worry about the hundreds of British servicemen we lost their lives for a pointless cause. But don’t worry those parents will get over it
Labour and the tories are fucking corrupt full stop

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I lost a great friend in the Iraq war, a war to stop a a madman using supposed weapons of mass destruction, yet al they found was he had a rather nasty hand grenade. Yet again under a corrupt government who does exactly what the bloody yanks tell us to do. Don’t worry about the hundreds of British servicemen we lost their lives for a pointless cause. But don’t worry those parents will get over it
Labour and the tories are fucking corrupt full stop

I agree with this completely, and yet I imagine you despised the previous Labour leader despite his outspoken criticism of that conflict

 

[shmmeee]

Please list the things that make it the worst start of any government in UK history.

Id say they’ve beaten having to resign cos you’ve fucked the economy in 49 days, still a bit to go I guess before beating Cameron starting his government proper by fucking the EU referendum and having to resign 13 months later.

 

[MalcSB]

They are mandated to work 3 days in the office, that is a fact.

Yes, you're right actually, it is technically an offence to arrive in the UK without a valid visa, but they're allowed to try to claim asylum.

It is an offence to arrive in the UK without a visa, there’s no “technically” about it.

They are mandated to work 3 days in the office, that is a fact.

Yes, you're right actually, it is technically an offence to arrive in the UK without a valid visa, but they're allowed to try to claim asylum.

Three days in the office is a fact?
An equally true statement for you. Great win for us last night.

ONS officials vote to strike over in-office rule

Staff threaten walkout over being asked to spend two days a week in the office

www.civilserviceworld.com

 

[MalcSB]

Starmer has only gone and done it the absolute mad lad! (This is because of a storm, maybe we can do weather manipulation )

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Wimps

 

[shmmeee]

I lost a great friend in the Iraq war, a war to stop a a madman using supposed weapons of mass destruction, yet al they found was he had a rather nasty hand grenade. Yet again under a corrupt government who does exactly what the bloody yanks tell us to do. Don’t worry about the hundreds of British servicemen we lost their lives for a pointless cause. But don’t worry those parents will get over it
Labour and the tories are fucking corrupt full stop

What are you jabbering about?

 

[shmmeee]

Wimps

Not made of fucking sugar are they? Would last five minutes in a British winter with that attitude.