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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What practical impact has this priority had. Their manifesto said they would stop housing asylum seekers in hotels. We have this week heard of two more local hotels being used.

3) Take back our streets​

by halving serious violent crime and raising confidence in the police and criminal justice system to its highest levels.

I would suggest that confidence in the criminal justice is system is decreasing week by week as the Manchester Airport pair remain uncharged. Woe betide you if you think the wrong thoughts though.


“Delivering the change Britain needs will require perseverance. The starting point for delivering these missions is to ensure the foundations of good government are right. Labour will make sure we have strong national security, secure borders, and economic stability. Building on these secure foundations, we have already set out the first steps for change. Today we present further policies in this manifesto, as part of the journey of rebuilding our country.”

Any evidence that the foundations of good government are in place?

Good government is good for everyone, not just train drivers, what we have is a different form of nepo-politics.

You do realise that a manifesto is a plan for a whole term of govt, don't you? It's not they have to do everything immediately.

I also checked their manifesto. It did not put a specific time frame on ending asylum hotels, so it's an entire term pledge.

The exact pledge is
"We will hire additional caseworkers to clear the Conservatives’ backlog and end asylum hotels"

Do you think they could advertise, hire and train enough caseworkers, and for them all to get through the entire backlog (plus any new arrivals), and have those decision go through the entire legal process of appeals in a few months? And even then you still need somewhere to put people that arrive and setting that up takes time. Or would you prefer they just shut the hotels straight away and we had these people roaming the streets sleeping rough?

You're doing yourself harm by the constant criticism, because I, and I'm sure plenty of others, are just thinking "Here he goes, whinging again "

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I’m not contradicting myself. He started his period in office by reaching out to those who hadn’t voted Labour, now he is basically saying I don’t give a shit about them. It’s Starmer who has contradicted himself. Hardly surprising given he’s a lawyer, if you want two legal opinions on something ask one barrister.

The other thing is that petition is very vague. You could just as easily find as many people who are not happy that this government is not being left wing enough. I'm sure the 'Corbynistas' would love to get rid of Starmer. So you could get millions of people signing it and yet almost all of them disagree about why they've signed it.

Would be (and was) the case for the Tories. Loads of people on the left found their right-wing governing disastrous and harmful. But as many on the right of the party were complaining as loudly because they weren't being right wing enough.

Unless you're getting more than half the country signing an online petition is no basis for calling a GE. And if you got that many signatories I'd bet there'd be far bigger protests to highlight that level of dissatisfaction.

 

[MalcSB]

The other thing is that petition is very vague. You could just as easily find as many people who are not happy that this government is not being left wing enough. I'm sure the 'Corbynistas' would love to get rid of Starmer. So you could get millions of people signing it and yet almost all of them disagree about why they've signed it.

Would be (and was) the case for the Tories. Loads of people on the left found their right-wing governing disastrous and harmful. But as many on the right of the party were complaining as loudly because they weren't being right wing enough.

Unless you're getting more than half the country signing an online petition is no basis for calling a GE. And if you got that many signatories I'd bet there'd be far bigger protests to highlight that level of dissatisfaction.

It’s up to 2.8 million now, best part of 6 months to run. Who knows how many it will end up at.

If people actually read what the petition is about, its as likely that Labour voters as anyone else would sign it - which is basically what you are suggesting.

 

[PVA]

I reckon at most 1% of those signing it will be Labour voters.

90% Tory and Reform voters and 9% bots.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I reckon at most 1% of those signing it will be Labour voters.

90% Tory and Reform voters and 9% bots.

It’s such a pointless thing only in musk and twitters minds does it matter a jot

 

[Grendel]

You do realise that a manifesto is a plan for a whole term of govt, don't you? It's not they have to do everything immediately.

I also checked their manifesto. It did not put a specific time frame on ending asylum hotels, so it's an entire term pledge.

The exact pledge is
"We will hire additional caseworkers to clear the Conservatives’ backlog and end asylum hotels"

Do you think they could advertise, hire and train enough caseworkers, and for them all to get through the entire backlog (plus any new arrivals), and have those decision go through the entire legal process of appeals in a few months? And even then you still need somewhere to put people that arrive and setting that up takes time. Or would you prefer they just shut the hotels straight away and we had these people roaming the streets sleeping rough?

You're doing yourself harm by the constant criticism, because I, and I'm sure plenty of others, are just thinking "Here he goes, whinging again "

How many years have you spent whinging on this thread?

 

[PVA]

It’s such a pointless thing only in musk and twitters minds does it matter a jot

I might have some sympathy if the people wanking themselves silly over this petition weren't the EXACT same people who have spent the last 8 years saying you lost get over it, we love democracy, respect the will of the people, etc.

So instead it's just fucking hilarious.

 

[Grendel]

I might have some sympathy if the people wanking themselves silly over this petition weren't the EXACT same people who have spent the last 8 years saying you lost get over it, we love democracy, respect the will of the people, etc.

So instead it's just fucking hilarious.

I really don’t care about the petition but as I recall the whinging was from people who refused to agree just over 50% of people who voted wasn’t a majority and should be rerun.

 

[PVA]

I really don’t care about the petition but as I recall the whinging was from people who refused to agree just over 50% of people who voted wasn’t a majority and should be rerun.

I'm not sure anyone said 52% isn't a majority and if they did then they're an idiot. No one would be stupid enough to say that would they.

Would they?

Nigel Farage: Narrow Remain win may lead to second referendum

There could be unstoppable demand for a second EU referendum if Remain wins by only a narrow margin on 23 June, says UKIP leader Nigel Farage.

www.google.com

 

[Grendel]

I'm not sure anyone said 52% isn't a majority and if they did then they're an idiot. No one would be stupid enough to say that would they.

Would they?

Nigel Farage: Narrow Remain win may lead to second referendum

There could be unstoppable demand for a second EU referendum if Remain wins by only a narrow margin on 23 June, says UKIP leader Nigel Farage.

www.google.com

Well it’s interesting you quote old Nigel as he always says something for a reason.

He will be certainly making the most of this election result come 4 years time

 

[PVA]

Well it’s interesting you quote old Nigel as he always says something for a reason.

He will be certainly making the most of this election result come 4 years time

Yes, he might be able to beat a dolphin for an incredible second time.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

How many years have you spent whinging on this thread?

Nowhere near as many as you.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Id say they’ve beaten having to resign cos you’ve fucked the economy in 49 days, still a bit to go I guess before beating Cameron starting his government proper by fucking the EU referendum and having to resign 13 months later.

It was a new prime minister not a new government technically

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It was a new prime minister not a new government technically

But given the huge change in policy and ministers arising from it it's also effectively a new government.

There was more change between Johnson and Truss than there has been between Sunak and Starmer.

 

[shmmeee]

It was a new prime minister not a new government technically

Compromise on administration?

 

[fernandopartridge]

He's just so devoid of belief in anything isn't he? Utterly content free