Transfer Rumour Kai Wagner (8 Viewers)

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

We're not a modern elite team. And our issues aren't necessary in possession it's when we don't have the ball especially on the transition, and particularly down the left hand channel.

You say that but we overturn the ball ridiculously easily, especially in our own half.

 

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[Torquay Sky Blue]

We're not a modern elite team. And our issues aren't necessary in possession it's when we don't have the ball especially on the transition, and particularly down the left hand channel.

This is a very astute and out of the coaching manual post. Also, very true. We're worse than Plymouth out of possession. Makes you wonder what all the iPad wankers are getting paid for.

 

[stupot07]

You say that but we overturn the ball ridiculously easily, especially in our own half.

We do, and I think it's because we're trying to play too much of a possession based game, and our centre backs aren't good enough to play that way. We've always been at our best as quick direct counter attacking and counterpressing team. But we play far too much in our own half, which just invites pressure.

 

[David O'Day]

We're not a modern elite team. And our issues aren't necessary in possession it's when we don't have the ball especially on the transition, and particularly down the left hand channel.

No, put tactics played by elite teams filter down to other teams.

Out of possession it's a back 4 with another bank of 4 in front of them. The issue sadly is the lack of defensive ability of our left backs.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

We're not a modern elite team. And our issues aren't necessary in possession it's when we don't have the ball especially on the transition, and particularly down the left hand channel.

We do need to be better on transition and on the left, hoping Binks will get this role.

But as you’ve mentioned if we don’t have issues with possession, might be worth us using that as a strength to help us defend more and control more games.

Can’t think of many games we’ve controlled the pace off. Even Boro I thought we lost control at moments in the game and we won that 3-0

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

We do, and I think it's because we're trying to play too much of a possession based game, and our centre backs aren't good enough to play that way. We've always been at our best as quick direct counter attacking and counterpressing team. But we play far too much in our own half, which just invites pressure.

To be fair I think the pressure came about a lot on Saturday through of centre mid trying to be a bit too ambitious with the pass and our shape being too disrupted to funnel back.

CBs on a whole seem decent on the ball and Dovin if the stats weren’t lying to me has good pass completion stats.

If this is the new shape, we will need the cms to sit a bit deeper to help support the defence if one loses the ball in a double pivot

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

We do, and I think it's because we're trying to play too much of a possession based game, and our centre backs aren't good enough to play that way. We've always been at our best as quick direct counter attacking and counterpressing team. But we play far too much in our own half, which just invites pressure.

It's not just the CBs though, everyone across the backline is culpable.

MVE has been notorious for it this season.

 

[Hincha]

We're not a modern elite team. And our issues aren't necessary in possession it's when we don't have the ball especially on the transition, and particularly down the left hand channel.

The point of 3-2-5 build up is that you have a solid central base of 5 players able to stop transitions when you lose the ball

 

[SkyB]

Good to see us being linked with LBs though. Clearly shows that's where we're interested in strengthening.

Whilst I don't think our CBs are top 6 in the Div level our FB group has to be relegation level. A starting LB and a backup RB would be a good Jan imo.

 

[David O'Day]

The point of 3-2-5 build up is that you have a solid central base of 5 players able to stop transitions when you lose the ball

Yeah, the issues is the lack defensively ability.

We need to use systems like that as before we seems to stick to the base formation which would mean a) we get overloaded b) we create no overloads

 

[stupot07]

The biggest weakness of that formation is the vulnerability to wide counter attacks, which is where we are already vulnerable. We've recently played 3421 with the box and wing backs, so basically already have the 3-2 base and still shipped goals from the sides on the counter.

 

[Hobo]

This is a very astute and out of the coaching manual post. Also, very true. We're worse than Plymouth out of possession. Makes you wonder what all the iPad wankers are getting paid for.

What about the player's, they are the ones on the pitch! Coaches can only do so much, once the players are out on the pitch it is up to them to sort it out and react to what is happening in front of them.

 

[Briles]

Lost me at... Weaknesses - Concentration.

Will fit right in

 

[Torquay Sky Blue]

What about the player's, they are the ones on the pitch! Coaches can only do so much, once the players are out on the pitch it is up to them to sort it out and react to what is happening in front of them.

Though I agree with you to a certain extent and players at this level should know where to be without the ball. However, good coaching installs out of possession play vigorously theses days and our lot look clueless at times.

 

[David O'Day]

The biggest weakness of that formation is the vulnerability to wide counter attacks, which is where we are already vulnerable. We've recently played 3421 with the box and wing backs, so basically already have the 3-2 base and still shipped goals from the sides on the counter.

That's why we were changing to a 4-4-2 in defence which should be more solid than a base 3-4-2-1 system as the wing backs in the 3-4-2-1 can get caught too far field.

It'll take time but there are reasons why teams what that shape. We just need to practice it as on Saturday the midfield where in the wrong positions and didn't cover as well as they should.

 

[Old Warwickshire lad]

Seems quite a few of us are thinking the same about bringing Kitch back, and trying Binks at LB.

 

[SBAndy]

The biggest weakness of that formation is the vulnerability to wide counter attacks, which is where we are already vulnerable. We've recently played 3421 with the box and wing backs, so basically already have the 3-2 base and still shipped goals from the sides on the counter.

We also have a problem of centre mids being drawn into the attacking play too much. If that becomes 1 in front of the 3 defenders then we’re outrageously exposed.

 

[Hobo]

Though I agree with you to a certain extent and players at this level should know where to be without the ball. However, good coaching installs out of possession play vigorously theses days and our lot look clueless at times.

A lot of our goals conceded have come from us giving the ball away in our own half and the defence have been immediately overloaded. We have got away with several too.

A lot has been down to individual errors, rather than tactics or coaching.

 

[Otis]

We do, and I think it's because we're trying to play too much of a possession based game, and our centre backs aren't good enough to play that way. We've always been at our best as quick direct counter attacking and counterpressing team. But we play far too much in our own half, which just invites pressure.

Yeah, fair point. You do need CB's that are comfortable on the ball in that kind of possession game.

And we all know that Thomas is always prone to poor misplaced passes at any given point.

 

[Cov98]

Seems quite a few of us are thinking the same about bringing Kitch back, and trying Binks at LB.

If we're looking to make a change at LB, there's only him or Bidwell really.
You'd imagine Binks would get up the pitch better and put some nicer balls in compared to Bidders, but my only concern would be positioning.
We don't want just another version of Dasilva at LB that's constantly going to be out of position leaving space.

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Good player will mean there’s less emphasis on just Milan to push meaning he can be fitter later on in games as they can swap filtering into the back 3 in transition. Means EMC is less isolated out on the left and will make our play more unpredictable because we can come from either side and be just as effective

 

[robbiethemole]

If we're looking to make a change at LB, there's only him or Bidwell really.
You'd imagine Binks would get up the pitch better and put some nicer balls in compared to Bidders, but my only concern would be positioning.
We don't want just another version of Dasilva at LB that's constantly going to be out of position leaving space.

If we're looking to make a change at LB, there's only him or Bidwell really.
You'd imagine Binks would get up the pitch better and put some nicer balls in compared to Bidders, but my only concern would be positioning.
We don't want just another version of Dasilva at LB that's constantly going to be out of position leaving space.

At least teams wouldn’t be able to play over his head and get past him

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Good player will mean there’s less emphasis on just Milan to push meaning he can be fitter later on in games as they can swap filtering into the back 3 in transition. Means EMC is less isolated out on the left and will make our play more unpredictable because we can come from either side and be just as effective

How do you know he’s a good player

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

How do you know he’s a good player

Watched a little bit of MLS over a few years and some highlights of him on youtube this morning, also looked at his stats

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Watched a little bit of MLS over a few years and some highlights of him on youtube this morning, also looked at his stats

 

[stevefloyd]

What about the player's, they are the ones on the pitch! Coaches can only do so much, once the players are out on the pitch it is up to them to sort it out and react to what is happening in front of them.

If the players are not following instructions haul them off but I guess the problem is we are not playing well and we have lower level players in the majority who are getting paid a fair wack so they are possibly more than happy to sit there on the bench instead of fighting for the team. In my experience when you play with better players they want to win more and it rubs off on you, being in a successful team definitely spurs you on fo sure but its catch 22 to get to that point

 

[JSL]

Does anyone else find it odd that we are linked with a player before Frank has his feet under the table? Surely that means he has not been involved in it or had a say so far. He must be given the say so on if he wants him or not

 

[TomRad85]

Does anyone else find it odd that we are linked with a player before Frank has his feet under the table? Surely that means he has not been involved in it or had a say so far. He must be given the say so on if he wants him or not

Not really as our recruitment team won't stop scouting. Also there's option 2 and its just complete bollocks and we are just being randomly name dropped, as is often the case in these links.

 

[Captain Dart]

Does anyone else find it odd that we are linked with a player before Frank has his feet under the table? Surely that means he has not been involved in it or had a say so far. He must be given the say so on if he wants him or not

No, why would you stop looking and researching the market and why would you assume a media story is accurate it might be something Wagner's agent has generated.

 

[JSL]

No, why would you stop looking and researching the market and why would you assume a media story is accurate it might be something Wagner's agent has generated.

Seems a bit pointless but unless it is what Frank decides he wants. Maybe its legacy from when MR was in charge but my point is it shouldn't be the chairman or Dean Austin deciding what players get targeted.

 

[Balli001]

Seems a bit pointless but unless it is what Frank decides he wants. Maybe its legacy from when MR was in charge but my point is it shouldn't be the chairman or Dean Austin deciding what players get targeted.

Recruitment teams literal job is to scout for positions and players constantly. No point waiting a month for Lampard to ask for a certain position then have to start a lengthy scouting assignment when all other clubs are doing the exact same thing.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Just seen he was racist to someone last year. Do we really want him.

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Considering talks with Lampard were ongoing for a fair bit and he’d had some time to watch the team before taking over he might have given a shopping list to DA and the recruitment team in terms of the position and type of player he wants

 

[JSL]

Anyway, there's no doubt we need a LB or LWB. Its just a case of whether its this guy that will improve the situation or not

 

[Deity]

Seems a bit pointless but unless it is what Frank decides he wants. Maybe its legacy from when MR was in charge but my point is it shouldn't be the chairman or Dean Austin deciding what players get targeted.

I think the tea lady could identify we need a new left back.