Do you want to discuss boring politics? (49 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

When you leave the UK you give up lots of benefits, this is one of them. You know that's the case, so you make your decision.

Whether you think it's right or not you certainly can't argue that people leaving the country aren't aware of it. I briefly looked into the possibility of being able to move abroad if I ever get to retire, every article you look at flags this issue up very clearly.

 

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[shmmeee]

Because they have paid NI for 40 plus years, unlike some who claim benefits.

So? The UK pension is a benefit for people of pension age in the UK, if you aren’t in the UK you don’t get the benefits for UK people. If I move to another country and lose my job can I claim JSA?

 

[fernandopartridge]

I know reciprocity is the enabling factor, I really don’t understand why that should be.

Me either really, the individual is not in control of the government of the place where they live.

 

[shmmeee]

Why should people who arrive illegally in the UK receive benefits having never contributed a halfpenny?

They shouldn’t.

 

[fernandopartridge]

So? The UK pension is a benefit for people of pension age in the UK, if you aren’t in the UK you don’t get the benefits for UK people. If I move to another country and lose my job can I claim JSA?

You wouldn't pay a pension at all on that basis, but given that they do, there is no real reason why they don't uprate similar to other pensioners.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Anyway, french government tries the sort of austerity practiced in the UK and collapses

 

[PVA]

That’s not a justification of the rule.

How do you justify kids living in poverty? Or people living on the streets?

This is more justifiable than lots of goings on in this country.

 

[fernandopartridge]

How do you justify kids living in poverty? Or people living on the streets?

This is more justifiable than lots of goings on in this country.

Thankfully your mate Kier is doing fuck all about kids in poverty or people on the streets, as some of my previous posts demonstrate

 

[MalcSB]

So? The UK pension is a benefit for people of pension age in the UK, if you aren’t in the UK you don’t get the benefits for UK people. If I move to another country and lose my job can I claim JSA?

So why do they pay the pension at all, the approach is totally illogical.

And why was child benefit being sent back to Eastern Europe when the kids weren’t in the UK?

The double standards are unbelievable.

 

[MalcSB]

How do you justify kids living in poverty? Or people living on the streets?

This is more justifiable than lots of goings on in this country.

Those things are awful and definitely not justifiable when illegal arrivals in this country are being put up in hotels at taxpayer expense.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I have no idea what the rationale was. I was a baby at the time.

It feels wrong to me because these people have made full qualifying contributions to the system.

You are avoiding answering the question I posed to you by asking another question.

So, to go back to my question to you. On what basis do you think it probably makes sense?

They’re no longer part of the United Kingdom is my rationale and sorry for not answering I hate it when people do that

 

[MalcSB]

They’re no longer part of the United Kingdom is my rationale and sorry for not answering I hate it when people do that

So why continue to pay anything then, it’s just not logical.

The fact that have paid NI for all that time counts for little.

They are still British, unlike some living off the state.

 

[shmmeee]

You wouldn't pay a pension at all on that basis, but given that they do, there is no real reason why they don't uprate similar to other pensioners.

No I wouldn’t. And the answer would be because it’s free government cash for no reason so be happy you’ve got anything. Sorry I think it’s mental you can whine about the government of a country you don’t live in not paying you enough benefits.

 

[MalcSB]

Rise of 'sickfluencers' helping the jobless to maximise benefits

I went online and came across so-called 'sickfluencers', who help their millions of followers on YouTube and TikTok to maximise their benefits. Some charge £950 for a personal session.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I really hope all these benefit cheats can be found, prosecuted and jailed,

 

[PVA]

My main takeaway from that is that you subscribe to the Daily Mail

 

[MalcSB]

So? The UK pension is a benefit for people of pension age in the UK, if you aren’t in the UK you don’t get the benefits for UK people. If I move to another country and lose my job can I claim JSA?

Would you have been paying Class 1 NI contributions for the previous 2 - 3 years in that job?

 

[MalcSB]

My main takeaway from that is that you subscribe to the Daily Mail

I bet that came as a huge surprise

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Rise of 'sickfluencers' helping the jobless to maximise benefits

I went online and came across so-called 'sickfluencers', who help their millions of followers on YouTube and TikTok to maximise their benefits. Some charge £950 for a personal session.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I really hope all these benefit cheats can be found, prosecuted and jailed,

Are they telling them to pretend to be disabled

 

[MalcSB]

Are they telling them to pretend to be disabled

They are telling them to say they are distressed and suicidal.

 

[MalcSB]

I was sitting here mulling things over, and I have realised that a combination of 5 months Labour government and 5 months exposure to all the socialists on here has driven me further and further to the right. Well done chaps!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

They are telling them to say they are distressed and suicidal.

Still pales into insignificance when you look at tax avoidance and evasion but just not right is it which the daily mail wants everyone to focus on so that they won’t focus on the bigger stuff

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I was sitting here mulling things over, and I have realised that a combination of 5 months Labour government and 5 months exposure to all the socialists on here has driven me further and further to the right. Well done chaps!

 

[Northants Sky Blue]

Some going this @MalcSB . How do you think City will do Sat?

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

I was sitting here mulling things over, and I have realised that a combination of 5 months Labour government and 5 months exposure to all the socialists on here has driven me further and further to the right. Well done chaps!

You against better investment in schools then?

 

[shmmeee]

Would you have been paying Class 1 NI contributions for the previous 2 - 3 years in that job?

Maybe. Maybe I just moved.

NI contributions are just tax. They aren’t hypothecated. They don’t entitle you to anything really. Your benefits are paid by the taxes of those working.

 

[MalcSB]

Still pales into insignificance when you look at tax avoidance and evasion but just not right is it which the daily mail wants everyone to focus on so that they won’t focus on the bigger stuff

Tax evasion is illegal, tax avoidance may not be.

I might argue that choosing an £80k company EV rather than an £80k ICE company car is tax avoidance because the real benefit is the value of the car whilst the tax regime will only charge you tax on, say, 2% of the list price for the former whereas it could be up to 37% on the latter. Choosing electric for a higher rate tax payer would mean they have avoided paying over £11,000 in income tax. Perfectly legal. Tax evasion would be not declaring that you have a company car at all, perfectly illegal.

Anyway, Sir Kier is going to sort the benefits system out. Once the inevitable review has been carried out. At some vague point in the future. Like everything else. Only having had 14 years to think about it

 

[MalcSB]

Some going this @MalcSB . How do you think City will do Sat?

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Well there will be the obligatory 2 goal start given to Millwall, and then it all depends on whether the strikers are more clinical with their finishing. Another 2-2 draw wouldn’t surprise me.

 

[MalcSB]

Maybe. Maybe I just moved.

NI contributions are just tax. They aren’t hypothecated. They don’t entitle you to anything really. Your benefits are paid by the taxes of those working.

NI contributions do entitle you to something - the state pension and, it would appear, JSA.

I understand they aren’t hypothecated and where today’s benefits come from.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I was sitting here mulling things over, and I have realised that a combination of 5 months Labour government and 5 months exposure to all the socialists on here has driven me further and further to the right. Well done chaps!

The people that voted Labour on here are not necessarily socialists

 

[fernandopartridge]

Maybe. Maybe I just moved.

NI contributions are just tax. They aren’t hypothecated. They don’t entitle you to anything really. Your benefits are paid by the taxes of those working.

I agree with you but it's not the official message, is it? The message is that you are entitled to a state pension subject to national insurance contributions.

 

[MalcSB]

The people that voted Labour on here are not necessarily socialists

Forgive me for the error. Are they communists?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Forgive me for the error. Are they communists?

Labour is not a communist party, is it.

 

[MalcSB]

You against better investment in schools then?

There will have to be more investment in schools to accommodate those no longer in private education.

Does more always equal better?

 

[MalcSB]

Labour is not a communist party, is it.

Well, I apparently mistakenly thought it and its supporters were socialist . You were saying the people on here who voted for Labour are not necessarily socialists, I am wondering what they are.

 

[shmmeee]

NI contributions do entitle you to something - the state pension and, it would appear, JSA.

I understand they aren’t hypothecated and where today’s benefits come from.

For me if it’s the states money it’s up to the state how it’s assigned and as a citizen I don’t want my tax money going abroad to pay benefits. Whether it’s pensioners in Canada, kids in Poland, or housing benefit finding its way back to Afghanistan.

I really have no sympathy for this woman. She shouldn’t even get the money she does. Go and ask the Canadian government for benefits if you need them and if you can’t live without the benefits a country provides maybe don’t leave. That money is going straight out of the UK economy to a competitor. Why on earth would the government do that?