Transfer Rumour Robins to Hull (16 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

To be fair, we made money on Chaplin and then used his fee to buy Godden who got us promoted and went on to be one of our record goalscorers of all time (5th).

Selling Chaplin for Godden was good business for the way we played.

We made money on JCH as well didn’t we? He was a free I think so can’t have lost it.

The overall transfer business from L2 to PO final was very very good. Badlan arrived 2017, so it was all him.

Look at these two CVs before joining us, Austin another in his first role of this type with us.

 

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[RobinsSkyBlues]

Chaplin who is currently playing PL football, that Chaplin?

The lengths people are going to to downplay everything from the last eight years. Do I need to dig out all the article praising our recruitment over the years?

I don't get it myself.

Robins improved a lot of players in his time with us. But the rare ones that failed with us then made it good elsewhere are being used as a stick to beat him with. Just like players that kept improving under him like Eccles are constantly said to not be good enough when they clearly are.

Gyokeres? A gem even Brighton didn't see coming. Hamer was a liability when we signed him. I would say the best two players we have had for 25 years or so. Or are the players that have come good down to the coaches and the rare ones that failed down to Robins?

I'm not prepared to make statements on Robins or Lampard on who's the better of the two. Let's see the results with the same players. We started the season with weaknesses in the squad that we all knew about and say about all the time.

 

[Monty]

I think Chaplin and Walker are interesting examples. They were chased for a period of time but then when we got them we didn't play to their strengths. With longer term targets you would expect to pivot the team to play to their strengths or if they weren't going to fit into the system abandon the chase rather than sign the player.
Not every player we sign will be a success and amount of money spent on a player cannot guarantee success.
It is a case of identify how you want your team to play. Identify weaknesses in the system. Search for players who will improve those weaknesses and try to sign them.
Would argue over this season Robins couldn't settle on best system or best eleven, meaning difficult to decide what you are actually recruiting for.

 

[SBAndy]

I don't get it myself.

Robins improved a lot of players in his time with us. But the rare ones that failed with us then made it good elsewhere are being used as a stick to beat him with. Just like players that kept improving under him like Eccles are constantly said to not be good enough when they clearly are.

Gyokeres? A gem even Brighton didn't see coming. Hamer was a liability when we signed him. I would say the best two players we have had for 25 years or so. Or are the players that have come good down to the coaches and the rare ones that failed down to Robins?

I'm not prepared to make statements on Robins or Lampard on who's the better of the two. Let's see the results with the same players. We started the season with weaknesses in the squad that we all knew about and say about all the time.

I’m certainly not using them to beat him with. I just find it interesting. The Wilson-Esbrand revelation at the fans forum set me off to be honest as it’s not really the type of wing back he’s traditionally used, and suggested to me he knew we had to be a bit more adventurous but obviously it didn’t really happen. Now whether that was because JWE wasn’t up to the standard Robins thought, I don’t know. It’s not that he’s a particularly outstanding player either. But I just get the feeling he wanted to morph into a more attacking side but when push came to shove he was a conservative manager at heart. Now, if he was DoF and wasn’t directly responsible for the team setup and impact on results, would you see that conservatism fall away a bit? My gut feel is yes.

 

[RobinsSkyBlues]

I’m certainly not using them to beat him with. I just find it interesting. The Wilson-Esbrand revelation at the fans forum set me off to be honest as it’s not really the type of wing back he’s traditionally used, and suggested to me he knew we had to be a bit more adventurous but obviously it didn’t really happen. Now whether that was because JWE wasn’t up to the standard Robins thought, I don’t know. It’s not that he’s a particularly outstanding player either. But I just get the feeling he wanted to morph into a more attacking side but when push came to shove he was a conservative manager at heart. Now, if he was DoF and wasn’t directly responsible for the team setup and impact on results, would you see that conservatism fall away a bit? My gut feel is yes.

I haven't seen anywhere saying Robins chose the players that came in. But Robins did state that the system of bringing in players has changed.

The full truth will come out one day.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Chaplin who is currently playing PL football, that Chaplin?

The lengths people are going to to downplay everything from the last eight years. Do I need to dig out all the article praising our recruitment over the years?

You do realise that statement proves my point, yes?

 

[shmmeee]

You do realise that statement proves my point, yes?

How about this one: Chaplin that played 30 games and scored 1 in 3?

The idea he was a poor signing is ludicrous.

 

[StrettoBoy]

To be fair, we made money on Chaplin and then used his fee to buy Godden who got us promoted and went on to be one of our record goalscorers of all time (5th).

It’s nice to see Godden doing reasonably well for Charlton. He has five goals at 183 minutes per goal, so the equivalent of a goal every other game.

He was brilliant for us at a lower level and I remember him fondly.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

On Chaplin, think Robins said it himself to be honest, he was here too early, he’s become a great player and one I would have in this squad in a heartbeat

 

[skyblueelephant76]

It’s nice to see Godden doing reasonably well for Charlton. He has five goals at 183 minutes per goal, so the equivalent of a goal every other game.

He was brilliant for us at a lower level and I remember him fondly.

If you include the cup he's scored 8 in 19 this season

 

[PVA]

The Wilson-Esbrand revelation at the fans forum

I missed this, what was it?

 

[SBAndy]

How about this one: Chaplin that played 30 games and scored 1 in 3?

The idea he was a poor signing is ludicrous.

I feel like you’re arguing against something that isn’t there. Chaplin was brought in and, whilst he scored a few goals (8 in 32, so 1 in 4) if you watched the games we really didn’t get the best out of him with our style of play. No one is saying he was a poor signing - in fact it’s been a brilliant ‘investment’ signing to eventually land us Godden and get us to where we are now. But we chased him all summer, only to try and completely change his game when he finally arrived.

 

[SBAndy]

I missed this, what was it?

Dean Austin was very boldly saying Robins wanted Wilson-Esbrand brought in. The impression I’d always had was it was a “meh, if it gives us more numbers then fine” signing but the way Austin was speaking it was like we’d specifically targeted him at the request of Robins.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Chaplin who is currently playing PL football, that Chaplin?

The lengths people are going to to downplay everything from the last eight years. Do I need to dig out all the article praising our recruitment over the years?

I always thought Chaplin was decent, was unlucky in front of goal at times

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

How about this one: Chaplin that played 30 games and scored 1 in 3?

The idea he was a poor signing is ludicrous.

Never said he was a poor signing.

Robins failed to get the most out of him though despite chasing him for months. It was more of a bizarre signing rather than a poor one.

Not sure how long he was chased but the same could be said of JCH.

He looked horribly uncomfortable in the role and system Robins deployed him in yet as soon as he left he started scoring for fun, to the point where he became one of the most successful goal scorers ever in L1.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Never said he was a poor signing.

Robins failed to get the most out of him though despite chasing him for months. It was more of a bizarre signing rather than a poor one.

Not sure how long he was chased but the same could be said of JCH.

He looked horribly uncomfortable in the role and system Robins deployed him in yet as soon as he left he started scoring for fun, to the point where he became one of the most successful goal scorers ever in L1.

Can’t disagree with this to be honest. Personally feel like Simms and Walker are another two which didn’t fit what Robins wanted out of them.

100% know walker has struggled since us and with us, but seemed to be a player in there who just didn’t suit the role he was given

 

[Skyblue Bangkok]

On Chaplin, think Robins said it himself to be honest, he was here too early, he’s become a great player and one I would have in this squad in a heartbeat

Chaplin is a decent player but certainly not great .

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Chaplin is a decent player but certainly not great .

Fair enough but he is a good championship player and would be ideal for us in a ten role.

 

[Dimi_Konstantflapalot]

Dean Austin was very boldly saying Robins wanted Wilson-Esbrand brought in. The impression I’d always had was it was a “meh, if it gives us more numbers then fine” signing but the way Austin was speaking it was like we’d specifically targeted him at the request of Robins.

It's an interesting one and I think Robins never really knew how to get the best out of a rotation between Bidwell and a more attacking left back - Maatsen/JWE are prime examples and he brought JDS in as first choice only to revert back to Bidwell.

Bidwell was a great signing at the time as we'd plastered over the McCallum sale by loaning him back for that first Championship season and we needed a permanent solution. The last LBs we had signed permanently prior to him were Mason and Brown, and we were miles ahead of their level just a couple of seasons later.

Robins was pretty famous in being slow and careful to integrate new signings. I agree with Austin's point that the trouble generally with loan players is you need to play them, and you risk the relationship with the parent club if you don't. I'm certain that's why we saw Maatsen and JWE playing as one of the 2 AMs in the box formation to just get them minutes on the pitch - I don't think they've ever played there since.

 

[shmmeee]

Never said he was a poor signing.

Robins failed to get the most out of him though despite chasing him for months. It was more of a bizarre signing rather than a poor one.

Not sure how long he was chased but the same could be said of JCH.

He looked horribly uncomfortable in the role and system Robins deployed him in yet as soon as he left he started scoring for fun, to the point where he became one of the most successful goal scorers ever in L1.

In what way is getting a goal every three games out of your striker not getting the most? It’s almost the exact rate he scored with Ipswich last season, did they not get the most from him?

These memes take hold at the time but just don’t stand up to scrutiny in hindsight.

 

[fernandopartridge]

In what way is getting a goal every three games out of your striker not getting the most? It’s almost the exact rate he scored with Ipswich last season, did they not get the most from him?

These memes take hold at the time but just don’t stand up to scrutiny in hindsight.

Chaplin only started 22 games, he lost his place in the side in January and never got it back. It's fair to say he didn't hit the heights expected, given that he was for us at the time quite an expensive signing.

 

[shmmeee]

Chaplin only started 22 games, he lost his place in the side in January and never got it back. It's fair to say he didn't hit the heights expected, given that he was for us at the time quite an expensive signing.

He got a decent return in line with at clubs he’s supposedly done better and and we made a profit. If you’re holding it up as evidence Robins is bad at recruitment I think that’s a ringing endorsement.

I swear people don’t remember the dross we had up front for years that could only dream of hitting the heights of a misfiring JCH or Chaplin.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

In what way is getting a goal every three games out of your striker not getting the most? It’s almost the exact rate he scored with Ipswich last season, did they not get the most from him?

These memes take hold at the time but just don’t stand up to scrutiny in hindsight.

He was constantly in and out of the side throughout the entire season.

IIRC during the final third of the 18/19 campaign Bakayoko would often start ahead of him.

Slightly odd given that he was supposed to be the marquee signing of the time.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

He got a decent return in line with at clubs he’s supposedly done better and and we made a profit. If you’re holding it up as evidence Robins is bad at recruitment I think that’s a ringing endorsement.

I swear people don’t remember the dross we had up front for years that could only dream of hitting the heights of a misfiring JCH or Chaplin.

Isn't that the point though...

We had dross for years but then when we finally had capable strikers those such as Chaplin / JCH weren't utilised correctly and often found their feet soon after elsewhere.

 

[shmmeee]

Isn't that the point though...

We had dross for years but then when we finally had capable strikers those such as Chaplin / JCH weren't utilised correctly and often found their feet soon after elsewhere.

JCH I can accept though his record before us was far spottier than his record after. Chaplin performed at a similar level to the clubs he’s claimed to have “found his feet” at later. He may not have been amazing, but he was better than say Walker and went for a profit. You might as well complain Gyokeres wasn’t sold for £100m, not all players peak at City. But the idea either of them were uniquely bad here just isn’t born out by the facts.

 

[clint van damme]

Not every player we sign will be a success and amount of money spent on a player cannot guarantee success.

And that applies to every football club in the world.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

JCH I can accept though his record before us was far spottier than his record after. Chaplin performed at a similar level to the clubs he’s claimed to have “found his feet” at later. He may not have been amazing, but he was better than say Walker and went for a profit. You might as well complain Gyokeres wasn’t sold for £100m, not all players peak at City. But the idea either of them were uniquely bad here just isn’t born out by the facts.

For the most part Chaplin had the same record at a higher level though, so it's not really all that comparable.

The proof of his potential is shown in his second season at Ipswich once they eventually got rid of Paul Cook and brought in McKenna.

 

[fernandopartridge]

He got a decent return in line with at clubs he’s supposedly done better and and we made a profit. If you’re holding it up as evidence Robins is bad at recruitment I think that’s a ringing endorsement.

I swear people don’t remember the dross we had up front for years that could only dream of hitting the heights of a misfiring JCH or Chaplin.

I am not saying Robins is poor at recruitment at all. I am saying that he is good at recruitment as in he selected an objectively good player, just didn't get the best from him.

 

[chiefdave]

Dean Austin was very boldly saying Robins wanted Wilson-Esbrand brought in. The impression I’d always had was it was a “meh, if it gives us more numbers then fine” signing but the way Austin was speaking it was like we’d specifically targeted him at the request of Robins.

I've worked with plenty of people who are quite happy to take credit for things they aren't responsible for and heap the blame for things they are responsible for on others, especially when its conveniently someone who is no longer around and therefore won't dispute their version of events.

I think a lot of people have taken 'Robins had final say on transfers' as Robins personally scouting and insisting on every signing, especially the ones that turned out to be shit. Personally I think its more likely that the scouting team did 99% of the work, in line with what we've been told in the past, but Robins had what would amount to a veto. Not sure you'd employ a recruitment team and then veto a significant number of signings they were telling you matched your requirements.

 

[hamil99]

Anyone think Robins might go to Reading with Selles leaving? They're a bit of a basket case like we were when he took over. We all know Robins can make the best out of a bad situation. Sorry if this has been mentioned before, I haven't read the whole thread.

 

[Evo1883]

For the most part Chaplin had the same record at a higher level though, so it's not really all that comparable.

The proof of his potential is shown in his second season at Ipswich once they eventually got rid of Paul Cook and brought in McKenna.

Took almost 130 league games after leaving city at barnsley and ipswich for a manager to get the best from Chaplin in a really really good league 1 team too we should add

 

[Evo1883]

I am not saying Robins is poor at recruitment at all. I am saying that he is good at recruitment as in he selected an objectively good player, just didn't get the best from him.

Chaplin left here at the age of 22 , still very young

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Took almost 130 league games after leaving city at barnsley and ipswich for a manager to get the best from Chaplin in a really really good league 1 team too we should add

You say that but he did pretty well in a poor Barnsley team the season after he left, in a higher division.

 

[Evo1883]

You say that but he did pretty well in a poor Barnsley team the season after he left, in a higher division.

He did OK

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Having fewer options makes management simpler in many ways, it’s not a bizarre idea.

This is particularly evident the way Simms and Wright were randomly rotated out of the squad at times. It seemed random on occasion

Took almost 130 league games after leaving city at barnsley and ipswich for a manager to get the best from Chaplin in a really really good league 1 team too we should add

He scored 11 goals in the championship the season after he left us which was an improvement. We made a profit on him too, so it’s a successful transfer.

As Robins said, right player, right club, wrong time. He’d have been quality in the year we went up from L1.