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MalcSB

MalcSB

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shmmeee said:
Surely farmers protesting is the definition of business as usual in Europe?
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Absolutely. The IHT protest in London would have been of an entirely different nature had it been the French (ignoring that it would have been in Paris).

It’s the reason for the unrest which is, perhaps, unusual. It’s not domestic and it’s the EU taking advantage of the governmental chaos in France. Making hay while the sun shines, if you like. Not conducive to long term serenity within the EU.
 
MalcSB

MalcSB

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ccfcno9 said:
It's a good point if more paid in we'd but in a better position than we are, what I was trying to put across was that I support the case of those that can afford to give more should do so but I wouldn't exclude them on small gifts having paid over and above the contributions they've put in. For someone whose paid in millions to help others £300 is surely a drop in the ocean.
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That pretty much sums up how I feel about it. Paid a fortune in taxes last 5 years I worked. Stopping the WFP felt like quite a kick in the teeth. Kind of “thanks for your contribution but now just fuck off”.

I honestly wish there had been an option of not paying NI but making your own arrangements, health insurance and bigger personal pension. It’s just been a huge switch off for me, I’m afraid. It will have been for others as well.

Fuck you Starmer, you boomer gammon.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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MalcSB said:
That pretty much sums up how I feel about it. Paid a fortune in taxes last 5 years I worked. Stopping the WFP felt like quite a kick in the teeth. Kind of “thanks for your contribution but now just fuck off”.

I honestly wish there had been an option of not paying NI but making your own arrangements, health insurance and bigger personal pension. It’s just been a huge switch off for me, I’m afraid. It will have been for others as well.

Fuck you Starmer, you boomer gammon.
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Massive own goal
Easy solution to raise the figure it cuts off but no compassion it appears
That said many pensioners are very well off including my family
 
MalcSB

MalcSB

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Massive own goal
Easy solution to raise the figure it cuts off but no compassion it appears
That said many pensioners are very well off including my family
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It’s the “about face” given what Starmer was saying before the election (the videos I posted).

Blaming it on a £22bn black hole which had come as a surprise. It’s bollocks, I found a pre election House of Commons exchange where he is challenging Sunak about a £46bn black hole. Any surprise re a black hole would have been that it was less than half what he had previously claimed. Except it wasn’t, In reality it was nowhere near £22bn according to the OBR.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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wingy said:
Like I said there is a possibility of getting the aid through the local authority, postcode I guess or even stricter?
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Just received invite from Coventry South MP to do some door knocking to encourage pensioners to sign up so they can get the help
Worth a few hours of anyone’s time I reckon
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Sick Boy said:
If the Labour government were to fall it’d be more likely someone like Farage would get in, especially with all the talk of Musk looking at donating millions to Reform.
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Cant see it if im honest. They don’t have the local concentration or party machinery. Even that poll that has them above Labour would only give them about 60 seats. They need the Tories.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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MalcSB said:
That pretty much sums up how I feel about it. Paid a fortune in taxes last 5 years I worked. Stopping the WFP felt like quite a kick in the teeth. Kind of “thanks for your contribution but now just fuck off”.

I honestly wish there had been an option of not paying NI but making your own arrangements, health insurance and bigger personal pension. It’s just been a huge switch off for me, I’m afraid. It will have been for others as well.

Fuck you Starmer, you boomer gammon.
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So who would you vote for at the next GE? Your options seem to be limited given pensioners is clearly your hill to die on and given Mel Stride (shadow chancellor) said just the other day that the triple lock is unsustainable so bye bye triple lock which is surely more damaging to pensioners than means testing WFP’s. Lib Dam’s?
 
MalcSB

MalcSB

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skybluetony176 said:
So who would you vote for at the next GE? Your options seem to be limited given pensioners is clearly your hill to die on and given Mel Stride (shadow chancellor) said just the other day that the triple lock is unsustainable so bye bye triple lock which is surely more damaging to pensioners than means testing WFP’s. Lib Dam’s?
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Far to early to decide yet. I will take a view on the manifestos and who is more likely to keep to what they say. Or at least who is saying stuff which will benefit me and others similar.

Preferably a woke free zone. I'm getting sick of a vocal tiny minority dictating to the silent majority.

As I am a pensioner, it is almost certainly the hill which I will, literally, die on.
 
MalcSB

MalcSB

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chiefdave said:
Were you not in favour of the petition to call a general election immediately? Surely for there to be any point in calling a general election mere months after the last one you need to have a strong viable alternative in mind?
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Be fair, many people wanted just to get rid of the Tories and not because they saw Starmer as some superior political being.

I was in favour of the petition, albeit not genuinely expecting a GE to follow. However, if it had, Labours huge majority would have probably melted and a lesson might have been learnt. The petition was a "shot across the bows". The debate on 6 January 2025 will be interesting to watch.

Parliament will debate this petition​

Parliament will debate this petition on 6 January 2025.

You'll be able to watch online on the UK Parliament YouTube channel
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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MalcSB said:
I will take a view on the manifestos and who is more likely to keep to what they say.
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Yeah good luck with that. Not sure how you’ve managed to get to pension age without realising that non of them ever deliver their manifesto and none of them ever will.
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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shmmeee said:
Cant see it if im honest. They don’t have the local concentration or party machinery. Even that poll that has them above Labour would only give them about 60 seats. They need the Tories.
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I mean if they were to actually benefit from the £100M or whatever it is that Musk is talking about.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Sick Boy said:
I mean if they were to actually benefit from the £100M or whatever it is that Musk is talking about.
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Maybe. I think the Tories have to collapse and I’m just not sure that’ll happen. Interesting times though. I also expect Labour to see through the plans to limit donations to £100k per organisation with some urgency and to get cross bench support for it because of Musk.
 
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