Evil Fuckers (10 Viewers)

[CCFCSteve]

Another absolutely horrendous case. A father beating his daughter to death with a cricket bat and iron bar.

Behind Sara Sharif’s smile was a life of violence and torture

Sara Sharif was sassy, bubbly and dreamed of being on X-factor - but behind closed doors she was brutally beaten.

www.bbc.co.uk

Hope that proper justice is delivered whilst they’re in prison !

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hope that proper justice is delivered whilst they’re in prison !

It does tend to be, but with each case like this I’m increasingly of the view that capital punishment is justified. So much cruelty over such a prolonged timeframe and guilt is unquestionable.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It does tend to be, but with each case like this I’m increasingly of the view that capital punishment is justified. So much cruelty over such a prolonged timeframe and guilt is unquestionable.

It demeans us he’s already demeaned himself

 

[RedSalmon]

Apologies to anyone this might offend but I just don't think 'home schooling' should be allowed.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Apologies to anyone this might offend but I just don't think 'home schooling' should be allowed.

Just reading Steve chalkes manifesto for hope he says the same thing

 

[shmmeee]

So much there. The use of the hijab to hide abuse. The beatings that likely are normal in the parents culture. The homeschooling used to hide the abuse.

I’ve long supported a ban on home schooling. It’s entirely the preserve of weirdos not wanting society to moderate their weirdness and 10/10 the weirdness isn’t good weirdness.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It demeans us he’s already demeaned himself

It might, but I feel so much anger reading about what he did I cannot help the feeling. He should pay for his crime with his life.

 

[Nick]

So much there. The use of the hijab to hide abuse. The beatings that likely are normal in the parents culture. The homeschooling used to hide the abuse.

I’ve long supported a ban on home schooling. It’s entirely the preserve of weirdos not wanting society to moderate their weirdness and 10/10 the weirdness isn’t good weirdness.

For somebody who used to be a teacher your views on education are wrong a lot.

I don't doubt there's some weirdos who home school, it isn't everybody though.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It might, but I feel so much anger reading about what he did I cannot help the feeling. He should pay for his crime with his life.

Completely understood

 

[shmmeee]

For somebody who used to be a teacher your views on education are wrong a lot.

I don't doubt there's some weirdos who home school, it isn't everybody though.

Yeah it is. Religious weirdos or weirdos with strange views about what kids should be taught. There are very few, if any, kids that shouldn’t be in some form of schooling. If you’ve come to the conclusion on your own that yours is one of them you are probably wrong.

 

[mmttww]

So much there. The use of the hijab to hide abuse. The beatings that likely are normal in the parents culture. The homeschooling used to hide the abuse.

I’ve long supported a ban on home schooling. It’s entirely the preserve of weirdos not wanting society to moderate their weirdness and 10/10 the weirdness isn’t good weirdness.

Come on! Calling for a ban because one pair of awful humans manipulated it? That's the worst kind of kneejerk policy making. jfc

I don't love the idea of homeschooling but not everyone does it for the reasons you talk about. Also, choice is a thing. I'd argue people being indoctrinated into religions or attending religion-led schools does a lot more harm to kids and the world than a small number that get homeschooled.

 

[shmmeee]

Come on! Calling for a ban because one pair of awful humans manipulated it? That's the worst kind of kneejerk policy making. jfc

I don't love the idea of homeschooling but not everyone does it for the reasons you talk about. Also, choice is a thing. I'd argue people being indoctrinated into religions or attending religion-led schools does a lot more harm to kids and the world than a small number that get homeschooled.

Child abuse isn’t a choice I respect. Sorry.

Most home schoolers are the exact religious people you’re talking about. It’s literally what this thread is about. If they’re not weirdly religious they’ve got other weird beliefs that their kid would be better off being moderated away from by society.

Like in theory, sure if there’s parents out there with normal beliefs and a wide ranging subject knowledge and regular contact with peers of their own age and a variety of cultures and belief systems and also checks to ensure the child isn’t being abused. But let’s be honest there’s very few if any of those and at that point just send the kid to fucking school.

 

[mmttww]

Child abuse isn’t a choice I respect. Sorry.

You're equating home schooling with child abuse? Have you lost your f*cking mind the last few weeks? wtf. Done talking to you about this is you're going to use rhetoric like that. 'Kinnell.

 

[shmmeee]

You're equating home schooling with child abuse? Have you lost your f*cking mind the last few weeks? wtf. Done talking to you about this is you're going to use rhetoric like that. 'Kinnell.

In a thread where home schooling was primarily used to hide the abuse. Yeah I am.

Your kid has a right to an education. Most people cannot provide this. They have a right to a social life and generally a life away from you to grow up.

I seem to remember you’ve got family who home school. I don’t know your circumstances maybe you’re in the tiny minority it’s not abusive, but the fact is it facilitates huge amounts of child abuse and the drawbacks significantly outweigh the benefits on a societal level.

Same reason I’m pro gun legislation, sure a few people might suffer minor harm or inconvenience but it’s nothing compared to the huge amount of harm saved. Very very few parents can offer their child the equivalent to a school on their own. Sadly a much larger number delude themselves into thinking they can.

 

[SBT]

I seem to remember you’ve got family who home school. I don’t know your circumstances maybe you’re in the tiny minority it’s not abusive, but the fact is it facilitates huge amounts of child abuse and the drawbacks significantly outweigh the benefits on a societal level.

Is that really the case - that only a “tiny minority” of home schooled kids don’t suffer abuse?

 

[Nick]

Yeah it is. Religious weirdos or weirdos with strange views about what kids should be taught. There are very few, if any, kids that shouldn’t be in some form of schooling. If you’ve come to the conclusion on your own that yours is one of them you are probably wrong.

I know a couple of people who aren't religious or weird but just got fed up with the school system failing their kids over and over again.

I thought about it years ago, no religion or anything just sick of shit schools and shit teachers.

I don't doubt there are weirdos, religious nuts and hippies who do it, it's not everybody though. Let's face it b that a lot of the time with kids like Daniel Pelka went to school and the teachers knew, social services knew but his parents still killed him.


If it was a choice between sending my daughter to the first primary school she was in and the secondary school I worked in for a bit or home school. I'd home school.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’m not convinced this case is a home schooling issue, the abuse would be happening regardless.

 

[RedSalmon]

I know a couple of people who aren't religious or weird but just got fed up with the school system failing their kids over and over again.

I thought about it years ago, no religion or anything just sick of shit schools and shit teachers.

I don't doubt there are weirdos, religious nuts and hippies who do it, it's not everybody though. Let's face it b that a lot of the time with kids like Daniel Pelka went to school and the teachers knew, social services knew but his parents still killed him.


If it was a choice between sending my daughter to the first primary school she was in and the secondary school I worked in for a bit or home school. I'd home school.

Point of note regarding the very sad case of Daniel Pelka (and I, like everyone on here find it extremely upsetting) at the time of his death he was not open to Social Services, although he had been in the past. With that in mind am not sure what else social Services could have done.

 

[PVA]

Someone I know said on Facebook the other day they're taking their kid out of school because the curriculum is some lefty indoctrination thing.

Same person was (is?) convinced 5g masts spread covid.


Also a bloke at work 'homeschools' his kid. I use inverted commas because there is no education going on. She gets up at 10am every day, orders McDonald's on uber eats pretty much every day and generally just does nothing from what I can gather. Poor kid has got no chance.

 

[mmttww]

In a thread where home schooling was primarily used to hide the abuse. Yeah I am.

Your kid has a right to an education. Most people cannot provide this. They have a right to a social life and generally a life away from you to grow up.

I seem to remember you’ve got family who home school. I don’t know your circumstances maybe you’re in the tiny minority it’s not abusive, but the fact is it facilitates huge amounts of child abuse and the drawbacks significantly outweigh the benefits on a societal level.

Same reason I’m pro gun legislation, sure a few people might suffer minor harm or inconvenience but it’s nothing compared to the huge amount of harm saved. Very very few parents can offer their child the equivalent to a school on their own. Sadly a much larger number delude themselves into thinking they can.

No one in my family has been home schooled. I know one person who's made that choice for one of their children.

Now you're drawing comparisons with gun control. Really feels like you're windmilling at this point so I wanna leave it there.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I know a mum who home schools believes fluoride poisons her children so doesn’t drink tap water
In short a fruit bat

No one in my family has been home schooled. I know one person who's made that choice for one of their children.

Now you're drawing comparisons with gun control. Really feels like you're windmilling at this point so I wanna leave it there.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You're equating home schooling with child abuse? Have you lost your f*cking mind the last few weeks? wtf. Done talking to you about this is you're going to use rhetoric like that. 'Kinnell.

Well in a way it very well could be.

How many of those home-schooled kids miss on on personal and social development because they're never around anyone else? And how many parents are actual able to provide a child with a good, balanced education? It's basically creating a human that will not be able to function in the real world.

And even with those that have problems such as autism, where a regular schooling may not be best for them SEND is still far more likely to benefit that person longer term than home-schooling.

 

[mmttww]

I know a mum who home schools believes fluoride poisons her children so doesn’t drink tap water
In short a fruit bat

and millions of parents with all their kids in childcare from day dot believe angels are real and tell their kids they'll burn for eternity whilst being tortured if they f*ck the wrong person.

I'm not having bullsh*t oversimplification as as a 'Yeah, course!' kneejerk response to two awful humans being horrific to their kid. Same kinda logic as your fluoride friend from where I'm sitting.

 

[Nick]

Well in a way it very well could be.

How many of those home-schooled kids miss on on personal and social development because they're never around anyone else? And how many parents are actual able to provide a child with a good, balanced education? It's basically creating a human that will not be able to function in the real world.

And even with those that have problems such as autism, where a regular schooling may not be best for them SEND is still far more likely to benefit that person longer term than home-schooling.

There's plenty of home schooling clubs nowadays, there's a great science one I see.

One thing I worried about with I was considering it was the social side of it though to be fair!

 

[rob9872]

Tbf to @shmmeee I think he has a point historically, post Covid I think the landscape has changed. A lot got used to homeschooling and in many cases still misguided, but lots will think they're doing right. Social interaction is the biggest miss imo though, rather than the curriculum.

On gun legislation, our rules were tightened post Dunblane. Since then, zero school shootings. Compare and contrast with USA, then come back and tell me it's a good idea.

 

[alexccfc99]

I say I don’t really agree with the death penalty, but then I look at the Sara Sharif case and genuinely think what is the point of keeping the perpetrators alive

Just two awful human beings

 

[Nick]

I say I don’t really agree with the death penalty, but then I look at the Sara Sharif case and genuinely think what is the point of keeping the perpetrators alive

Just two awful human beings

Torture them

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Torture them

Who ?

 

[Nick]

Who ?

The people who put sara sharif through pain

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The people who put sara sharif through pain

Sorry who’d torture them and what impact would it have on them do you think?
I understand wanting them to suffer

 

[Terry_dactyl]

Sorry who’d torture them and what impact would it have on them do you think?
I understand wanting them to suffer

I think it’s safe to assume they will.

 

[Nick]

Sorry who’d torture them and what impact would it have on them do you think?
I understand wanting them to suffer

I hope it has a long lasting impact on them where they want to die every day but aren't allowed to.

 

[Hiraeth]

And even with those that have problems such as autism, where a regular schooling may not be best for them SEND is still far more likely to benefit that person longer term than home-schooling.

You may be right about that but when families in 2024 appear to be having to fight harder to access SEND, is it prudent to remove the ability to home school children?

Families of children with special educational needs face battle for support - BBC News

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You may be right about that but when families in 2024 appear to be having to fight harder to access SEND, is it prudent to remove the ability to home school children?

Families of children with special educational needs face battle for support - BBC News

I agree entirely that access to SEND is nowhere near as good as it should or needs to be and so there may be a point there, but that's an act of desperation rather than a good choice