Waiting for the Dust to settle… (10 Viewers)

[Frankly_Mr_Shankly]

…smash Plymouth and we should be mid table and less emotional.

p.s. Collins and JDS are still not good enough for the Championship.

 

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[Adge]

The only bonus (if there is one) today is it may have opened the managements eyes to how weak ability/mentality wise, especially in defence, we really are. Every reasonable team has a spine through the middle. We unfortunately have Jelly Fish.

 

[skybluecam]

Genuinely believe if Dovin & Bidwell were playing we win today.

We have issues but results are making things look worse than they are.

 

[Frankly_Mr_Shankly]

3-4 experienced Championship level additions and we’ll be fine. An overhaul is not needed.

 

[RFC]

It’s impossible to defend the indefensible IMHO

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Genuinely believe if Dovin & Bidwell were playing we win today.

We have issues but results are making things look worse than they are.

No good saying that though if we don’t play them. Completely agree on Bidwell and was my first option but regardless the mentality worries me. When we went 1-1 we just seemed to give up.

Regardless of the players on the pitch, our identity always used to be that we would keep working hard, our club motto is how we never give up. That is why I think we are in meltdown as the disconnect between the culture of the club and current 11 couldn’t be wider atm.

 

[skybluecam]

No good saying that though if we don’t play them. Completely agree on Bidwell and was my first option but regardless the mentality worries me. When we went 1-1 we just seemed to give up.

Regardless of the players on the pitch, our identity always used to be that we would keep working hard, our club motto is how we never give up. That is why I think we are in meltdown as the disconnect between the culture of the club and current 11 couldn’t be wider atm.

I mostly agree. I think that's partly a product of our own ambition though. If you think about the much loved 22/23 squad every single player without exception was playing at the highest level of football they had in their careers. Many had been with us since L1/Champo relegation fights. Less likely to be egos in that situation.

I worry we have sold a lot of our players the "premier league project" and they are perhaps losing faith. Also can't help that we have players who have at times been touted as some of the best in the league (Wright, Sheaf, MVE etc.) alongside Collins and Dasilva who we wouldn't be able to give away for free right now.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

I mostly agree. I think that's partly a product of our own ambition though. If you think about the much loved 22/23 squad every single player without exception was playing at the highest level of football they had in their careers. Many had been with us since L1/Champo relegation fights. Less likely to be egos in that situation.

I worry we have sold a lot of our players the "premier league project" and they are perhaps losing faith. Also can't help that we have players who have at times been touted as some of the best in the league (Wright, Sheaf, MVE etc.) alongside Collins and Dasilva who we wouldn't be able to give away for free right now.

Nail on the head, problem is the current players, feel we’re just a step on the journey where as most of the teams we love, we were the biggest club they had played for and they acted like it.

Maybe instead of what we did, we should of continued the old model similarly to Luton when they went up and ensured the club culture was the same of hard graft and passion

 

[Dimi_Konstantflapalot]

3-4 experienced Championship level additions and we’ll be fine. An overhaul is not needed.

I don’t even think we need that many, 1-2 would suffice

We massively failed by not replacing the experience and mentality we lost in the summer - both myself and many others have said it before on

That is on Robins and the recruitment team, Lampard is working with what he has

I would expect this to be addressed in January if Lampard has learnt anything about this bunch of pussys

 

[The watchmaker]

I had just yesterday forked out £200 to drag a bunch of 'Robin's in' fans back to the CBS for Xmas. I am a little worried it won't go down as well as I hoped after this.

 

[skyblue_55]

The worry , after watching all the games this season , is can we remain in this league ?
January’s transfer window & now its importance, might see us remain only by the skin of our teeth .
Yesterday’s diabolical performance, added to a lot of other poor performances, doesn’t look good, for getting rid of some of our highly purchased stars ……& questions have to be asked of recruitment

 

[wantageskyblue]

I don’t even think we need that many, 1-2 would suffice

We massively failed by not replacing the experience and mentality we lost in the summer - both myself and many others have said it before on

That is on Robins and the recruitment team, Lampard is working with what he has

I would expect this to be addressed in January if Lampard has learnt anything about this bunch of pussys

“That is on Robins and the recruitment team, Lampard is working with what he has”

And by all accounts the owner who allegedly , wouldn’t sanction the signing of 2 experienced players, one of them being Matty James. So perhaps its not FL who needs to learn things?

 

[JimmyHillsbeard]

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p.s. Collins and JDS are still not good enough for the Championship.

Need to add Binks to that list. All season he’s been neglecting to cover the gap left behind the pushing on full back, whether it was DaSilva or Bidwell and *all* the teams we’ve played have exploited it. Yesterday the first two goals came from this (the first came from a corner conceded when Thomas had to throw himself in front of a shot that Lang had after wandering into the area uncontested).

Binks himself can do some great last minute lunges to rescue the defence (altho you might need to ask why so many are necessary), and those thirty yard diags to the wing look great when they don’t sail into touch 10 feet above the winger’s head, and yes he made a great tackle and celebrated like a hero at Wembley, but the blind spot so many of our fans have about him is peculiar.

 

[Bristol sky blue]

Starting to think we may as well try Binks at full back if Bidwell is not fit enough...

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Starting to think we may as well try Binks at full back if Bidwell is not fit enough...

Think he would be exposed for his lack of pace to be honest.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I mostly agree. I think that's partly a product of our own ambition though. If you think about the much loved 22/23 squad every single player without exception was playing at the highest level of football they had in their careers. Many had been with us since L1/Champo relegation fights. Less likely to be egos in that situation.

I worry we have sold a lot of our players the "premier league project" and they are perhaps losing faith. Also can't help that we have players who have at times been touted as some of the best in the league (Wright, Sheaf, MVE etc.) alongside Collins and Dasilva who we wouldn't be able to give away for free right now.

If they are losing faith it’s their garbage performances that have turned this season into what it is.

 

[lord_garrincha]

Starting to think we may as well try Binks at full back if Bidwell is not fit enough...

I understand the angle, but he can't defend to a fair standard in his natural position.

 

[Deity]

“That is on Robins and the recruitment team, Lampard is working with what he has”

And by all accounts the owner who allegedly , wouldn’t sanction the signing of 2 experienced players, one of them being Matty James. So perhaps its not FL who needs to learn things?

If people think Marty James is the answer to our problems then football might not be for them.

James would not have prevented any of yesterday’s goals, he wouldn’t give us legs in midfield driving us forward with the ball.

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

If people think Marty James is the answer to our problems then football might not be for them.
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[clint van damme]

If people think Marty James is the answer to our problems then football might not be for them.

James would not have prevented any of yesterday’s goals, he wouldn’t give us legs in midfield driving us forward with the ball.

If people think that those that wanted Matty James signed wanted him in because he has the legs to drive us forward with the ball then football might not be for them.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

…smash Plymouth and we should be mid table and less emotional.

p.s. Collins and JDS are still not good enough for the Championship.

Plymouth played brilliant against Middlesbrough and should have won!! Worryingly they scored 3 goals too against a solid top 6 team, probs get 5 against us if we play players like binks and da silva

 

[Tommo1993]

…neither is Torp good enough. Sakamoto also flatters to deceive.

 

[Skyblue Bangkok]

Plymouth played brilliant against Middlesbrough and should have won!! Worryingly they scored 3 goals too against a solid top 6 team, probs get 5 against us if we play players like binks and da silva

We did also score 3 against Boro but I know what you mean.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

We did also score 3 against Boro but I know what you mean.

Look at our defence and then look at Middlesbroughs, if they concede 3 it’s worrying to think how we’ll get on

 

[wantageskyblue]

If people think Marty James is the answer to our problems then football might not be for them.

James would not have prevented any of yesterday’s goals, he wouldn’t give us legs in midfield driving us forward with the ball.

Did I say he was the answer?

 

[clint van damme]

Did I say he was the answer?

If people can't see we're crying out for experience and James was,a possible option who helped us through choppy waters in his last spell here then I don't know what to say.
But your post could be construed as a criticism of King so it obviously set a few alarms off!,

 

[Captain Dart]

The worry , after watching all the games this season , is can we remain in this league ?
January’s transfer window & now its importance, might see us remain only by the skin of our teeth .
Yesterday’s diabolical performance, added to a lot of other poor performances, doesn’t look good, for getting rid of some of our highly purchased stars ……& questions have to be asked of recruitment

Believe it or not we have better form than 8 teams around us.

 

[Diogenes]

I think Collins and Dasilva will play.

The LAST thing any team would do after that performance yesterday would be to let those two loose again. Plymouth will have seen it and be chomping at the bit to get at their weaknesses.

Nobody in their right minds would play them again. Nobody would decide to play into the oppositions hands by playing the chuckle brothers.

And that is why it would be an epic tactical surprise to play them again. No same man would expect it. Plymouth won't actually have planned for it.

And it will work, until Plymouth stop laughing and adjust their tactics.

 

[Tommo1993]

I think Collins and Dasilva will play.

The LAST thing any team would do after that performance yesterday would be to let those two loose again. Plymouth will have seen it and be chomping at the bit to get at their weaknesses.

Nobody in their right minds would play them again. Nobody would decide to play into the oppositions hands by playing the chuckle brothers.

And that is why it would be an epic tactical surprise to play them again. No same man would expect it. Plymouth won't actually have planned for it.

And it will work, until Plymouth stop laughing and adjust their tactics.

Very General Melchett

 

[clint van damme]

Very General Melchett

I'd swap them, Dasilva in goal, Collins left back, proper head fuck

 

[skybluecam]

I think Collins and Dasilva will play.

The LAST thing any team would do after that performance yesterday would be to let those two loose again. Plymouth will have seen it and be chomping at the bit to get at their weaknesses.

Nobody in their right minds would play them again. Nobody would decide to play into the oppositions hands by playing the chuckle brothers.

And that is why it would be an epic tactical surprise to play them again. No same man would expect it. Plymouth won't actually have planned for it.

And it will work, until Plymouth stop laughing and adjust their tactics.

If Collins plays again that’s a strike against Lampard in my book. Not blaming him for anything thus far but a keeper change should be obvious to all.

 

[Tommo1993]

I'd swap them, Dasilva in goal, Collins left back, proper head fuck

E-E-EXACTLY! That is what’s so brilliant about it!

 

[blunted]

“That is on Robins and the recruitment team, Lampard is working with what he has”

And by all accounts the owner who allegedly , wouldn’t sanction the signing of 2 experienced players, one of them being Matty James. So perhaps its not FL who needs to learn things?

I look at Robins recruitment when he was apparently totally in charge. A mixture of old heads, experienced players, some young potential and hit and miss loans. With his backroom staff he built several really successful teams for the division we were/are in.
If you look at Robins statements and interviews, there has been a change of emphasis. Unless I am misinterpreting his asides, recruitment was taken out of his hands. In "elite" set ups, the Head Coach does not have the final say on transfer policy or who to sign. They have input and can strongly object, but the final say is not theirs. King could say Robins would sign off the players, but in reality it is unlikely he would say no to the recruitment team who have done all the background work and due diligence.
There has been a major change in policy since King has arrived. We have bought young potential to maximise resale value. No older experienced players with less resale value and no loans at all. The only club in the Championship I have read with no loans. Despite Austin's claim it is difficult to get loans, that does not compute. I suspect we have no loans because they are less cost effective.
There seems to be some strong evidence that our recruitment model has changed completely and I suspect this was not Robin's decision.

 

[Warwickhunt]

Ah well! I have come to realise that it is not the end of the world and FL has a window to bring in the help that's needed for our current players. It could be worse I suppose! Prince Andrew could be a relative and looking at me to give him Xmas dinner.

 

[Captain Dart]

I look at Robins recruitment when he was apparently totally in charge. A mixture of old heads, experienced players, some young potential and hit and miss loans. With his backroom staff he built several really successful teams for the division we were/are in.
If you look at Robins statements and interviews, there has been a change of emphasis. Unless I am misinterpreting his asides, recruitment was taken out of his hands. In "elite" set ups, the Head Coach does not have the final say on transfer policy or who to sign. They have input and can strongly object, but the final say is not theirs. King could say Robins would sign off the players, but in reality it is unlikely he would say no to the recruitment team who have done all the background work and due diligence.
There has been a major change in policy since King has arrived. We have bought young potential to maximise resale value. No older experienced players with less resale value and no loans at all. The only club in the Championship I have read with no loans. Despite Austin's claim it is difficult to get loans, that does not compute. I suspect we have no loans because they are less cost effective.
There seems to be some strong evidence that our recruitment model has changed completely and I suspect this was not Robin's decision.

A few years ago we were getting 3 in.