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[edgy]

Still can't fathom why anyone would start Simms over Bassette currently.

Clive Platt Jnr.

 

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[mmttww]

Lampard getting a bit of kudos from me after today. Some stuff we're doing differently with and without the ball was interesting. Press looked well drilled and worked a few times incl. for the fourth, and the full backs were popping in some mad positions with other defenders shifting around or across when they did.

 

[Alkhen]

Think he might benefit from a few less minutes and Simms from a few more.

Yep for me they need flipping in the line up. Norms pestering of tired legs is his best attribute at the moment.

Simms strikes me as a bit of a delicate soul that needs to feel loved to get the best out of him. Shame he got a knock when he was just starting to look decent. Think he needs a run as we seem to put him on as we take off the wide players which makes him look worse.

 

[Alkhen]

Still can't fathom why anyone would start Simms over Bassette currently.

Clive Platt Jnr.

He needs minutes with EMC and Sakamoto on and fit. Not for 20-30 mins when they are knackered or already taken off. We've seen him look dominant and go on scoring streaks. He can do it he just strikes me as the definition of a confidence player.

Norm is lightweight and has atrocious decision making at the moment. That miss against Pompey was terrible. His best attribute is harassing players why not use that against tired legs. Also think he would take to the super sub role emotionally better than the others, like a point to prove. He'll be a starter at some point but he ain't that yet for me.

 

[Offhegoes]

Bassette is constantly on the move, pulling their defenders out of position and creating space for people like Rudoni and EMC - both of whom look better players recently.

We looked less of a threat with Simms today again - although tbf the game was dead. I am deffo not giving up on Simms but I do think Norm is worth persevering with. Got a lot to learn clearly but for me, he causes defenders way more issues than Simms does.

II’d sell Simms in Jan and buy a winger who would compete with Saka, Rodrigues and, ENC in the wide positions. Rudoni and BTA are not WFs.
Surely our front 3 will be EMC, Wright & Saka once everyone is back

Wright, Bassette and BTA as CFs.
I’d prefer we kept Simms but we’d get a good fee

 

[Hutch11]

Reading some of these posts you'd think Eccles was lucky they were shit
Where in real life he was and has been on several occasions the best player on the pitch

 

[skybluecam]

Dovin 7
MVE 6
Thomas 7
Lati 4
Bidwell 7
Sheaf 6
Rudoni 6
Eccles 9
Sakamoto 7
Bassette 5
Mason Clark 8

 

[ptr]

Lampard getting a bit of kudos from me after today. Some stuff we're doing differently with and without the ball was interesting. Press looked well drilled and worked a few times incl. for the fourth, and the full backs were popping in some mad positions with other defenders shifting around or across when they did.

We actually seem to be getting a structure to our midfield again. Sheaf collecting the off centre backs and dictating from a bit deeper whilst Eccles and Rudoni are pushing on when possible and getting into the box.

I personally think Rudoni is starting to look a lot more disciplined - making better decisions on the ball.

 

[stevefloyd]

Bassette is constantly on the move, pulling their defenders out of position and creating space for people like Rudoni and EMC - both of whom look better players recently.

We looked less of a threat with Simms today again - although tbf the game was dead. I am deffo not giving up on Simms but I do think Norm is worth persevering with. Got a lot to learn clearly but for me, he causes defenders way more issues than Simms does.

He never stopped running, there was a notable difference when Simms came on

 

[ptr]

Dovin 7
MVE 6
Thomas 7
Lati 4
Bidwell 7
Sheaf 6
Rudoni 6
Eccles 9
Sakamoto 7
Bassette 5
Mason Clark 8

Deffo on the wind up with Lati. The leader we need at the back! Bad mistake at West Brom but you could see how gutted he was. Put it right today by pocketing Gray.

 

[shmmeee]

Dovin 7
MVE 6
Thomas 7
Lati 4
Bidwell 7
Sheaf 6
Rudoni 6
Eccles 9
Sakamoto 7
Bassette 5
Mason Clark 8

Fucking he’ll did Lati fuck your missus at half time or something?

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

This is the defense we should be playing for the forseeable future (until we sign some players in January)

 

[Perennial Lurker]

Dovin 7
MVE 6
Thomas 7
Lati 4
Bidwell 7
Sheaf 6
Rudoni 6
Eccles 9
Sakamoto 7
Bassette 5
Mason Clark 8

You're a decent poster but a clown at the same time , Lati was incredibly good today . How does he deserve a 4 ?

 

[Perennial Lurker]

Fucking he’ll did Lati fuck your missus at half time or something?

I think Lati is our best defender . He isn't the best player with the ball but if I wanted one player in a 50/50 it would be Lati every time

 

[The watchmaker]

Fucking he’ll did Lati fuck your missus at half time or something?

Performance issues

 

[Perennial Lurker]

Dovin - 7 why hasn't Fwank watched him and why hasn't he been starting
MvE -6.5 good but not last season's good
Thomas - 7 better today
Lati - 8 just a solid performance and one you want from your centre back
Bidwell - 7 just Bidders , solid
Sheaf - 8 silky smooth and looked somewhere near his best
Eccles - 9 even without the goals he was outstanding today
Rudoni - 7.5 always good in possession just want him to be braver
EMC - 9 MOM , just gets better and better , every City fan loves a dynamic winger
Bassette - 6.5 just meh , glimpses of good , so much frustration, if Simms doesn't replace him then Wright definitely does
Sakamoto - 7 love him , good early goal but want to see him back doing Sakamoto things

 

[Perennial Lurker]

Reading some of these posts you'd think Eccles was lucky they were shit
Where in real life he was and has been on several occasions the best player on the pitch

He was outstanding today

 

[Skybluekyle]

Lots of solid performances. Hopefully a few of you who are pro Sheaf anti Eccles and vice versa, can now see the merits of both. I thought the two of them were outstanding. Probably 9 for Eccles, 8.5 Sheaf and a mix of 7s and 8s for the rest of the starters. Norman a bit below par, but worked hard.

Is it that binary?

I really rate both, to be honest (although Sheaf has had a very poor season).

 

[Skyblue Bangkok]

Is it that binary?

I really rate both, to be honest (although Sheaf has had a very poor season).

Be nice if both can be consistently good.

 

[Deity]

Bassette is constantly on the move, pulling their defenders out of position and creating space for people like Rudoni and EMC - both of whom look better players recently.

We looked less of a threat with Simms today again - although tbf the game was dead. I am deffo not giving up on Simms but I do think Norm is worth persevering with. Got a lot to learn clearly but for me, he causes defenders way more issues than Simms does.

Fair comments but Simms always gets shots off and Bassette rarely does.

 

[skybluecam]

Fucking he’ll did Lati fuck your missus at half time or something?

You're a decent poster but a clown at the same time , Lati was incredibly good today . How does he deserve a 4 ?

Deffo on the wind up with Lati. The leader we need at the back! Bad mistake at West Brom but you could see how gutted he was. Put it right today by pocketing Gray.

Main moments I remember from him in the game was passing it to their winger 2nd half and constantly failing to progress the ball even when he had space and time to do so.

He could well be our best actual defender but unless he somehow gets quicker, taller and better on the ball I don't want him starting regularly.

 

[shmmeee]

Main moments I remember from him in the game was passing it to their winger 2nd half and constantly failing to progress the ball even when he had space and time to do so.

He could well be our best actual defender but unless he somehow gets quicker, taller and better on the ball I don't want him starting regularly.

He’s better on the ball than Thomas. Marking a player down because he didn’t grow during the game is definitely a new one though!

 

[skybluecam]

He’s better on the ball than Thomas. Marking a player down because he didn’t grow during the game is definitely a new one though!

He really isn't, some of his stats might look better because he plays so conservatively but look at something like progressive passes and you'll see Thomas is better. Thomas does make more errors, but only because he's trying to do more with the ball.

 

[Chris1987]

He really isn't, some of his stats might look better because he plays so conservatively but look at something like progressive passes and you'll see Thomas is better. Thomas does make more errors, but only because he's trying to do more with the ball.

Realistically if you get a CB in the Championship that can both defend and progress the ball quickly he's off to the PL .

 

[skybluecam]

Realistically if you get a CB in the Championship that can both defend and progress the ball quickly he's off to the PL .

Well Thomas is still here. I rate him.

 

[ptr]

Main moments I remember from him in the game was passing it to their winger 2nd half and constantly failing to progress the ball even when he had space and time to do so.

He could well be our best actual defender but unless he somehow gets quicker, taller and better on the ball I don't want him starting regularly.

He didn’t have a lot to do but won everything in the air, despite his height, and made some good tackles. Like I said, wasn’t tested at all really but kept a clean sheet so a rating of 4 is just too low.

He is not the long term answer but for me he starts over Binks any day of the week. Miles better.

 

[covcity4life]

Think that's a bit unfair on Sheaf.
Didn't think he did a lot wrong off the back of one of the most gutless performances you'll ever see on Saturday.
I'd still get rid, too many unacceptable performances from him this season.

Depends if the injection thing is true though. If so it explains poor performances

 

[WestEndAgro]

Dovin 7
Milan 7
Thomas 7
Lati 7
Bidwell 7
Sheaf 8
Eccles 9 MOM
Sakamoto 7.5
Rudoni 7
EMC 7.5
Bassette 7

Subs
Simms 6
BTA 5.5
Torp 6.5
Allen 5.5
Kitching 5.5

 

[Cally Fedora]

Bassette is 20. A few games into the Championship and being asked to lead the line. He’s far from the finished article as you’d expect. But it’s a bit harsh to criticise him

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Will say on Lati, I think out of our four options he reads the game very well which I think benefits Thomas a lot as helps can often be a bit rash.

Like the look of them as the CB paring as feel they both mitigate the others flaws

 

[Seymour_East]

1. MotM Mason Clarke even though he went off at half time. Frightened the shit out of them. About 70% of play in the first half was in his quarter of the pitch. 4-0 when he was on, 0-0 when he wasn't. Eccles got two but their goalkeeper should have made a better fist of the first one and Eccles was just his usual self in midfield and not much more.

2. Rudoni continues to impress me. Superb ball retention - and that matters.

3. Lati - also had a good game. It is unfortunate that our best leader is not a nailed on starter.

4. Bidders is my comfort blanket. He is just so secure. No stress, no anxiety.

BUT

5. Still not enough quality output from the Tats / MVE partnership. Tats still too unwilling to go for the line, hard to believe but I think that were there a satisfactory alternative his place would be in jeopardy.

6. Sheaf too content to showboat from the uncontested deep midfield

AND

Bassette v Simms is a close call. Stormin' Norman offers massive amounts of energy but lacks the necessary finesse for this level. Simms has better brains, more control and height but lacks the pizazz. I'd probably reverse them.

Based on that game Gibbo, I think you are being unfair on Eccles, Tats, MVE and Sheaf, too fair on Rudoni, Lati and Bidders and may have the Bassette Simms incorrect, but otherwise a good assessment.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Even Rooney identified that we rely quite a bit on crossing it to the back post to score. Will be interesting to see if we try other routes to goal more often as we did for EMC’s goal.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Will say on Lati, I think out of our four options he reads the game very well which I think benefits Thomas a lot as helps can often be a bit rash.

Like the look of them as the CB paring as feel they both mitigate the others flaws

Lati has got a mistake in him though, see WBA, Wolves in the FA Cup in particular spring to mind. There was that chance on the break for Plymouth yesterday where he’s let his man go because he was flat footed and was fortunate the ball hit the back of boots of the Plymouth player.

Yesterday was the kind of game well suited to Lati, we were ball dominant and frankly, didn’t have much to do defensively.

 

[jordan210]

Not sure why there are so many low scores for norm. He wasn't uses as a striker as such yesterday. As others have said was used to create space and drag defenders away.

1st goal played the ball to Sheaf to cross
2nd goal hr kept the defender busy

Best use of his is letting him be a nuisance and letting him run around

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Lati has got a mistake in him though, see WBA, Wolves in the FA Cup in particular spring to mind. There was that chance on the break for Plymouth yesterday where he’s let his man go because he was flat footed and was fortunate the ball hit the back of boots of the Plymouth player.

Yesterday was the kind of game well suited to Lati, we were ball dominant and frankly, didn’t have much to do defensively.

Think all of the CBs have the problem that they seemingly have a mistake although not surprising due to the age of the lads.

Think without experience he’s the best shout with Thomas. But would still go all out for an experienced left sided cb