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Brighton Sky Blue

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Think all of the CBs have the problem that they seemingly have a mistake although not surprising due to the age of the lads.

Think without experience he’s the best shout with Thomas. But would still go all out for an experienced left sided cb
Kitching is clearly just done here but I’d still want to see him in there until a better option is brought in. He also suffers from a lack of pace and being caught unawares much like Lati but at least has a left foot and more height.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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Think all of the CBs have the problem that they seemingly have a mistake although not surprising due to the age of the lads.

Think without experience he’s the best shout with Thomas. But would still go all out for an experienced left sided cb
Personally, I disagree and reckon it’ll end up being Kitching being brought in from the cold. I also felt that Lati and Thomas got in each other’s way yesterday and whilst it didn’t cause any issues per se, it just looked like they aren’t always on the same wavelength.

Where Lati compliments Thomas quite well is that he’s calmer on the ball and whenever Thomas has to do an advanced pass, it typically goes awry.

Totally agree on the need for an experienced CB, it’ll be a great benefit to the lot.
 

Nuskyblue

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Great result.

Eccles man of the match for a complete midfield performance, ably abetted by Sheaf who had a very good game.

EMC really is thriving under Lampard, looks unplayable at times.


How shit was the ref?
 

rexo87

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Sheaf was excellent, but one of the easiest games he will ever have with no pressure from Plymouth players on him. As someone else said I’d still get rid, absolute no balls about him when it gets a bit difficult
 

The Philosopher

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Sheaf was excellent, but one of the easiest games he will ever have with no pressure from Plymouth players on him. As someone else said I’d still get rid, absolute no balls about him when it gets a bit difficult
What I’m quite certain of is that if Sheaf was in the position that Eccles found himself in for both of his goals, Sheaf would have looked to check and probably pass rather than shoot.

What we do know is that Lampard was the absolute player that Sheaf should be looking to emulate.

Maybe Eccles will really come on under a bit of Lampard tutoring. Maybe even Torp. It’ll be interesting to see.

We spend big money on nutritional analysis, performance analysis, physio, physical performance optimisation etc., I’m sure a bit of mindfulness and motivational intervention is worth a try. I think we’ve one or two players with “imposter syndrome”.

I’m ready for the laughing emojis, but Sims needs an intervention to deal with his issues and I think Sheaf needs something. Sheaf doesn’t believe in himself nor does Sims.

I remember reading Frank Bruno’s autobiography where he has hypnosis before big fights.

Anyway.

Sheaf
Sims
Collins
Dovin
Kitching (possibly)

All need some mental performance intervention.

That’s my take.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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What I’m quite certain of is that if Sheaf was in the position that Eccles found himself in for both of his goals, Sheaf would have looked to check and probably pass rather than shoot.

What we do know is that Lampard was the absolute player that Sheaf should be looking to emulate.

Maybe Eccles will really come on under a bit of Lampard tutoring. Maybe even Torp. It’ll be interesting to see.

We spend big money on nutritional analysis, performance analysis, physio, physical performance optimisation etc., I’m sure a bit of mindfulness and motivational intervention is worth a try. I think we’ve one or two players with “imposter syndrome”.

I’m ready for the laughing emojis, but Sims needs an intervention to deal with his issues and I think Sheaf needs something. Sheaf doesn’t believe in himself nor does Sims.

I remember reading Frank Bruno’s autobiography where he has hypnosis before big fights.

Anyway.

Sheaf
Sims
Collins
Dovin
Kitching (possibly)

All need some mental performance intervention.

That’s my take.
It sounds callous but perhaps it’s better to sign players who don’t need that in the first place.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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What I’m quite certain of is that if Sheaf was in the position that Eccles found himself in for both of his goals, Sheaf would have looked to check and probably pass rather than shoot.

What we do know is that Lampard was the absolute player that Sheaf should be looking to emulate.

Maybe Eccles will really come on under a bit of Lampard tutoring. Maybe even Torp. It’ll be interesting to see.

We spend big money on nutritional analysis, performance analysis, physio, physical performance optimisation etc., I’m sure a bit of mindfulness and motivational intervention is worth a try. I think we’ve one or two players with “imposter syndrome”.

I’m ready for the laughing emojis, but Sims needs an intervention to deal with his issues and I think Sheaf needs something. Sheaf doesn’t believe in himself nor does Sims.

I remember reading Frank Bruno’s autobiography where he has hypnosis before big fights.

Anyway.

Sheaf
Sims
Collins
Dovin
Kitching (possibly)

All need some mental performance intervention.

That’s my take.
Admire the out of box thinking but I think you look a bit too deeply into football. In the majority of cases the players who are more talented and can hold the levels longer play at the higher levels.
 

vow

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Rudoni was excellent, closing down, harrying oppo players, some great tackles, always wanting the ball, never shying away from working hard and had a hand in the fourth goal...everything you want really (apart from a goal!)

So I'm disagreeing with most of his ratings in the thread and giving him an 8.5
 

Sbarcher

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If he sorts out that element then he's a PL quality defender
I think the distribution role is now Sheaf's.
He was dropping right back to take the ball from defence and then create the forward move. A lot less of the passing sideways/backwards for this game.
 

rob9872

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I think the distribution role is now Sheaf's.
He was dropping right back to take the ball from defence and then create the forward move. A lot less of the passing sideways/backwards for this game.
Agree. Played like a quarterback role again.
 

rob9872

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Still, that was the rationale for Kitching.
Nothing wrong with Kitching or Lati imo. With a solid keeper and LB, then MVE and our CB aren't half as bad as many like to make out.
 

hinckley cov

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Lati has got a mistake in him though, see WBA, Wolves in the FA Cup in particular spring to mind. There was that chance on the break for Plymouth yesterday where he’s let his man go because he was flat footed and was fortunate the ball hit the back of boots of the Plymouth player.

Yesterday was the kind of game well suited to Lati, we were ball dominant and frankly, didn’t have much to do defensively.
You say Latis got a mistake in him how about Thomas his passing is awful at times , and against better sides than Plymouth will cost us , he needs to stick to defending.
 

fatso

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Lati has got a mistake in him though, see WBA, Wolves in the FA Cup in particular spring to mind. There was that chance on the break for Plymouth yesterday where he’s let his man go because he was flat footed and was fortunate the ball hit the back of boots of the Plymouth player.

Yesterday was the kind of game well suited to Lati, we were ball dominant and frankly, didn’t have much to do defensively.
I don't disagree, but he's still streets ahead of Binks, who is one of the worse CH's in the championship and should never, ever play for us ever again.

Binks just can't defend period. Woeful just doesn't even cut it.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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You say Latis got a mistake in him how about Thomas his passing is awful at times , and against better sides than Plymouth will cost us , he needs to stick to defending.
This is true, my point regarding Lati was related to defending specifically. Thomas is our best defender and simultaneously the worst on the ball and it feels like he’s been told to play simpler passes.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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To be clear I do not believe clean sheets is a relevant stat for an individual.
When you have a basic belief that a player isn’t a very good defender, how do you measure this exactly? There are a lot of immeasurable things in defending,

We have 3 defenders who have played in and around 40 games for us with 5 clean sheets, those players are:
JDS
Binks
Lati (more CS as a RB in half the games)

The others; MVE, Thomas, Kitching and Bidwell have closer to 20 in 60+ games which is a far better ratio. There comes a point where you have to consider that there’s something in that correlation.

It could be tactical but season we’ve conceded so many soft goals with errors, it’s unlikely to be just tactics. We need to get a CB in there who’s got experience and can guide these young CBs through games.
 

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