Transfer Rumour January transfer window (116 Viewers)

[SHUNT31]

The net spend will low to mid table at a guess tho?

I think we've done a bit of a Tottenham, remember when the sold Bale for stacks and bought in Soldado, Chadli and various other dossers?

Actually a good analogy tbf

 

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[skybluecam]

Are we overspending? Or is that just what spending in this division looks like?

our squad is one of the top 6 in terms of cost to assemble tbf

 

[shmmeee]

our squad is one of the top 6 in terms of cost to assemble tbf

That’s a better metric. And fair enough, I do think we’ve overspent thanks to Austin.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Genuinely not sure if serious.

Most teams don’t build entire squads over two seasons. Most incrementally build them. So comparing a team that’s done a full rebuild with an incremental rebuild is apples and oranges.

Okay that’s fair understand now.

Had a look and in the last five years we’ve spent the fifth most.

We have also spent more than any of the parachute clubs.

Championship - Transfer balance and five-year comparison

In dieser Statistik werden die Transferbilanzen der letzten fünf bzw. zehn Jahre der Vereine der Championship miteinander verglichen.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

 

[shmmeee]

Okay that’s fair understand now.

Had a look and in the last five years we’ve spent the fifth most.

Championship - Transfer balance and five-year comparison

In dieser Statistik werden die Transferbilanzen der letzten fünf bzw. zehn Jahre der Vereine der Championship miteinander verglichen.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Yeah cam said. I do think we’ve overspent, I just think comparing us to parachute clubs because we spent it all in basically one window isn’t quite right.

 

[fernandopartridge]

That’s a better metric. And fair enough, I do think we’ve overspent thanks to Austin.

King does the dealing

Manager specifies the needs
Austin sources the players against those needs
Manager chooses players to pursue
King negotiates the deals

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Yeah cam said. I do think we’ve overspent, I just think comparing us to parachute clubs because we spent it all in basically one window isn’t quite right.

That’s fair although again concerning that we’ve spent the most outside of parachute clubs

 

[shmmeee]

King does the dealing

Manager specifies the needs
Austin sources the players against those needs
Manager chooses players to pursue
King negotiates the deals

Yeah I said this before, it could well be Kings negotiating. We saw with EMC and Kitching how he’ll give the farm away when he’s desperate.

 

[The watchmaker]

It’s unlikely he will. Whats more likely is that he will defer further and defer with interest.

It's interest free

Could be wrong here - would have to look into it but I thought you couldn't lend to a football club without charging interest under sustainability rules? Maybe it is okay under a certain threshold?

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Coventry City and Ipswich Town trying to sign 24-year-old winger

Slovan Liberec winger Ahmad Ghali is reportedly on the radar of Coventry City and Premier League side Ipswich Town

footballleagueworld.co.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

Could be wrong here - would have to look into it but I thought you couldn't lend to a football club without charging interest under sustainability rules? Maybe it is okay under a certain threshold?

That would be perverse though wouldn't it? As the PSR are fundamentally about minimizing losses whereas interest increases losses. I don't think the rules include such a clause.

 

[djr8369]

Meaning that " King needs a bollocking" is such a lazy statement. The fact that the transfer funds are gone are also down to those instrumental in bringing those players in.

DK can’t win really. People wants him to keep his nose out yet he gets the blame for dud transfers. MR gets credit for everything positive yet most of his players picks are ones people want rid of.

 

[HJones23]

Okay that’s fair understand now.

Had a look and in the last five years we’ve spent the fifth most.

We have also spent more than any of the parachute clubs.

Championship - Transfer balance and five-year comparison

In dieser Statistik werden die Transferbilanzen der letzten fünf bzw. zehn Jahre der Vereine der Championship miteinander verglichen.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

This is interesting, I wonder where we would be with wages in comparison with the rest of the league. You generally think high transfer fees = high wages, but I would hazard a guess we would be mid table perhaps ?

 

[Grendel]

Could be wrong here - would have to look into it but I thought you couldn't lend to a football club without charging interest under sustainability rules? Maybe it is okay under a certain threshold?

I doubt it. Avro had interest bearing loans of over £20 million which were just compounded over time. Brentford’s owner has ploughed millions in on an interest free basis

 

[SBT]

DK can’t win really. People wants him to keep his nose out yet he gets the blame for dud transfers. MR gets credit for everything positive yet most of his players picks are ones people want rid of.

He needs to be held responsible for the things that are in his direct control.

I don’t actually think many of the signings we’ve made under DK are outright terrible players, but I do think we’ve paid too much for them, and that’s down to him.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Can’t see Ipswich being after him and they’re signing Philongene today.

 

[djr8369]

He needs to be held responsible for the things that are in his direct control.

I don’t actually think many of the signings we’ve made under DK are outright terrible players, but I do think we’ve paid too much for them, and that’s down to him.

Quite possibly true.

 

[David O'Day]

Coventry City and Ipswich Town trying to sign 24-year-old winger

Slovan Liberec winger Ahmad Ghali is reportedly on the radar of Coventry City and Premier League side Ipswich Town

footballleagueworld.co.uk

if true i guess it depends on if he wants the money or game time

ipswich can pay him a lot more but he's going to be behind hutchinsion, burns and likely philogene there

 

[Andy123456]

All of the transfer income was Kings. He owns all the assets. I’m amazed some fans still don’t understand the basics.

He could easily have pocketed 80% of the income himself, derisked his ownership and Robins 20% to invest.

He didn’t.

Easy answer, everyone on here is a business owner!!! They don't actually run the company though or get involved because that would be ludicrous behaviour, I mean how dare they want to look after their own investments!!! Honestly some people on here need to go and take their faces for a shit

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

if true i guess it depends on if he wants the money or game time

ipswich can pay him a lot more but he's going to be behind hutchinsion, burns and likely philogene there

They’ve got trim their squad as well. As per the article we would be the best bet.

 

[The watchmaker]

That would be perverse though wouldn't it? As the PSR are fundamentally about minimizing losses whereas interest increases losses. I don't think the rules include such a clause.

On lunch and don't have time to look but I'm sure I heard an owner (maybe even Doug) complain about this and it was an issue in the Man City cases. Rather than being pervese some regulation is probably necessary - what is the difference between providing large interest free loans that never have to be repaid and just pumping money into the club?

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Easy answer, everyone on here is a business owner!!! They don't actually run the company though or get involved because that would be ludicrous behaviour, I mean how dare they want to look after their own investments!!! Honestly some people on here need to go and take their faces for a shit

Can’t wait for us to become fan owned

 

[SkyB]

1 in 1 out really isn't the probably everyone is making it out to be. With a fully fit side we have to leave out 2/3 senior players every week.

If we only had a bench of 7 that would mean 4/5 first teamers missing out weekly which just didn't happen. Our squad is the ideal size just the composition is wrong and being highlight by 2 injuries in one position and 1 injury where the imbalance lies.

If we were to trade fab tav for a centre mid the squad composition is nearly there.

The big issue from Saddles statement is that the money's run out... A lot of the the additional fee in the transfers we made would have been team performance based i.e. finishing in the play offs or getting promoted. No way we've met the full fees for Kitching, Wright, Simms and Milan yet (or look likely to).

 

[Chris1987]

Can’t wait for us to become fan owned

The fallouts would be epic

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

The fallouts would be epic

Kinda wish AFC Coventry happened just to witness them to be honest

 

[usskyblue]

Kinell @Saddlebrains

 

[Rodders1]

Don't get the DK hate - he never said he’d throw loads of his personal wealth at transfers did he?

He cleared c£60m of debt. Funds our losses. Sold assets (Vic and Gus) re-invested pretty much all in new players (identified by recruitment and Robins) and spent money on the training ground.

Being pissed off with no more investment from his pocket is unfair. Also we want to be sustainable don't we? Not reliance on an owners wealth. See also Stoke.

Sacking Robins is a gamble, but he's the owner and will suffer if wrong so its in all our interests that he's made the decision - not just the fans.

Also the recruitment (D Austin) may well have been decent looking at the fees we maybe recouping if we do sell. So the (his) model would be working. But the results on the pitch (managers) are still frustrating.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Casadei and Chilwell out of Chelsea's squad and both reportedly on the way out

 

[SkyBluePower]

I don’t know, I’m just telling you we had a directors loan of 6 million from when he’s owned us from the playoff year.

As the sisu debts were cleared before the account was created, we know that this has come from Doug.

He’s definitely put in money whether he has for transfers is another matter

Has he taken any money out though?

 

[Deity]

King does the dealing

Manager specifies the needs
Austin sources the players against those needs
Manager chooses players to pursue
King negotiates the deals

Who determines the approx value of the players when presenting the list of potential targets ? Austin I assume.

We then agree whether they are within our financial reach or not and negotiate from there.

So in reality ….

manager specifies needs
King determines total financial budget
Austin provides list of players within budget
Manager agrees his rank order of priority
King negotiates to try to agree deal with club / player.
Austin / Manager sell the football side of club to player.

It can fall down at any point in that process.

 

[Chris1987]

Don't get the DK hate - he never said he’d throw loads of his personal wealth at transfers did he?

He cleared c£60m of debt. Funds our losses. Sold assets (Vic and Gus) re-invested pretty much all in new players (identified by recruitment and Robins) and spent money on the training ground.

Being pissed off with no more investment from his pocket is unfair. Also we want to be sustainable don't we? Not reliance on an owners wealth. See also Stoke.

Sacking Robins is a gamble, but he's the owner and will suffer if wrong so its in all our interests that he's made the decision - not just the fans.

Also the recruitment (D Austin) may well have been decent looking at the fees we maybe recouping if we do sell. So the (his) model would be working. But the results on the pitch (managers) are still frustrating.

Pretty much spot on

 

[Chris1987]

Has he taken any money out though?

If he had it would show

 

[Chris1987]

Casadei and Chilwell out of Chelsea's squad and both reportedly on the way out

Assuming Chilwell off to the physio

 

[M3rcian]

FFS. Hope we have something signing related to talk about soon. All abit pub regulars venting their favourite gripes on here!

 

[SHUNT31]

If he had it would show

Well he hasn’t as of 31 May 23. Will have to wait until the end of Feb at the latest to see up to May 24.