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- Thread starter Grendel
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So you think they might be innocent?
If you were falsely charged with violent disorder for laughing at a firework, would you plead guilty to being a violent criminal?
Nick
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It depends on what legal advice was given. Especially as their list of crimes aren't actually violent. I'm also guessing they aren't the sharpest tools in the box.
Still, they shouted about their tax money. Send them down for years.
Wonder how the sentence compares to the sex offender that was being housed in there.
Sky Blue Pete
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Bad
Do you would just admit to being a violent criminal for no reason? Take a jail sentence and a criminal record because someone else told you to?
eastwoodsdustman
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Sky Blue Pete
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They were really very wrong then weren’t they
Violent disorder carries a custodial sentence and rioting even more so
rob9872
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Violent disorder CAN carry a custodial. It doesn't have to and doesn't always. Equally they could have been given eg 6 months but now out after time served on remand. Keeping them there in what we keep being told are overcrowded, serves no purpose to anyone.
Sky Blue Pete
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I agree for non violent crime
But I don’t make the rules
Some of the non violent crime like throwing bricks at police officers or helping set fire to hotels is a bit violent
This case though is too much for what they did
rob9872
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Which is the point I was originally making about this case in particular. As I said, lots of those playing to be the victim aren't, here I simply don't see it and really think they've been misrepresented and / or treated unfairly.
I find it astonishing that you wouldn’t stand up for yourself if you were falsely accused of violent crime, especially knowing the implications. Maybe you would just sit back and take it, personally I wouldn’t.
I actually agree with the earlier posters that the jail sentence sounds harsh to my uninformed ears.
What I don’t agree with is your attempts to run interference for these self-confessed violent criminals as just people “laughing at fireworks” like they’re a happy couple at Disneyland. I thought you were very concerned about people trying to deliberately paint criminals in a favourable light - these two blokes were caught red-handed engaging in violent disorder, admitted to it, and faced the consequences for it. Question the sentence all you want, but why go out of your way to minimise what they did?
nicksar
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Why has man who raped teenage girl been given community service?
Furore over decision not to hand Sean Hogg a custodial sentence for raping 13-year-old in a Midlothian park.
Sky Blue Pete
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Depends if they were guilty of violent disorder or not
Sky Blue Pete
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Not sure any trials have taken place
Sky Blue Pete
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The law is very different in Scotland isn’t itJust to add a bit of balanceWhy has man who raped teenage girl been given community service?
Furore over decision not to hand Sean Hogg a custodial sentence for raping 13-year-old in a Midlothian park.news.stv.tv
Wonder if it works in any way different to here in terms of reoffending
Nick
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You are still trying your hardest to miss the point again, aren't you?
I'm not minimising anything that they did, I am saying somebody laughing at a firework and shouting "our taxes" is far from somebody throwing a brick at a policeman, for example.
Let's face it, somebody could be done for violent disorder if they are sticking their fingers up at away fans if it's classed as "threatening". I get why you want to spin it as "violent criminals" though.
They pleaded guilty to and were convicted of violent disorder - how do you want me to refer to them?