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The watchmaker

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blunted said:
I am sure you are right.
Please explain how it works to this old git, as so many are saying we have to sell one before we bring one in.
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You'd be best of just ignoring this whole squad list thing.

We have to pick our match day squad from a 25 man squad list plus under 21 players (as long as they are not loans). You can change the squad list at any time in the transfer window. We don't currently have 25 players (everyone agrees on this) and even if we did the idea that we wouldn't find space on the squad list for our shiny new CM/Defender/etc is nonsense... but for some reason people are arguing that this is what is stopping us signing players? 🤷‍♂️
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Deity said:
So you don’t like King because he might not be a success in the future rather than because of anything fundamentally he’s actually done wrong In the present. Now i‘m clear.
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What?

I don’t like King cos he’s reversed the course of the club. But you didn’t think that analysis was complex enough.
 
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Deity

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DannyThomas_1981 said:
I kind of hear you Deity.

In terms of hard evidence though, very few coaches have taken a club in free fall from L2 to within a penalty shoot out of the Premier League - with the added on drawbacks of dysfunctional ownership, not having a home and on a budget that was far from spectacular. The man is an absolute all time legend for doing that - whatever was going on before he arrived.

The budget is one of the biggest driving factors in football as well - Pep for example has had billions to spend/not sure how even he would have got on with SISU, little budget, playing against the likes of Fleetwood on a freezing wednesday night in front of a man and his dog and the mad hatters (front row for the cameras) and being forced out of his own stadium to play home games.
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in my opinion Mark Robins was brilliant for City …. But it should be seen in context. Promotion via the play offs was the minimum expected of a club of our scale and resources in LG2, yes we were a shadow of our former selves but still big by league comparison. He did a great job in lg1 and i do believe we would have got promoted had the season not been cut short, but none of us will ever know.

His record in the championship is mixed in my view.

First couple of years we scraped by and that was a good result given relative resources. We then had the leagues best forward in Vik and 2 of the leagues best midfielders in Hamer and COH and we surpassed expectations to get into the play offs final. Last year our league form was pretty average, this year it was poor. Which ever way you try to position that, it’s a pretty mixed few seasons. It’s not the unstinting progress that some would have you believe.

Then you have all the off field stuff.

King had to make a decision as to whether he thought Robins was the right man to get us promoted. Time will tell But his achievements in Lg2 and Lg1 shouldn’t really be relevant to that decision.

I personally would have given Robins longer, but not much longer maybe 4-6 weeks.
 
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Deity

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shmmeee said:
What?

I don’t like King cos he’s reversed the course of the club. But you didn’t think that analysis was complex enough.
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Not true.

Under King we reached the play offs final final and the FA Cup Semi final. Neither of these were under SISU.

Maybe we would have achieved the former under SISU we will never know but my own view is that either Vik or Hamer would have gone in the January to fund operating losses and that would have prevented that run into the play offs.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Deity said:
Not true.

Under King we reached the play offs final final and the FA Cup Semi final. Neither of these were under SISU.

Maybe we would have achieved the former under SISU we will never know but my own view is that either Vik or Hamer would have gone in the January to fund operating losses and that would have prevented that run into the play offs.
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In terms of league position we’ve got worse every season.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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Deity said:
Not true.

Under King we reached the play offs final final and the FA Cup Semi final. Neither of these were under SISU.

Maybe we would have achieved the former under SISU we will never know but my own view is that either Vik or Hamer would have gone in the January to fund operating losses and that would have prevented that run into the play offs.
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The infrastructure under SISU was non-existent and the prospect of us competing in the Championship was pretty much built upon Robins / Adi performing minor miracles season after season.

As an operation it was completely unsustainable and when (not if) we would've been relegated to L1 I very much doubt we would've returned to the Championship for some time. Players would've been sold to cover the overheads and it likely would've been back to a transfer window cycle of loans / frees while the wage budget came down and high earners were offloaded.

DK's track record hasn't been great thus far, and there's a lot of lessons to be learned but I can see what he's trying to do and the foundations he's looking to put in place to make us more of a competitive outfit at this level both off and on the field. Unfortunately it's just not really worked as to plan but hopefully we can turn a corner after this season and build again.
 
Lamps

Lamps

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Deity said:
I don’t understand the Douk King hate to be honest. He isn’t perfect, none of us are, but he’s been bloody good for us.

We had an horrendous owner in SISU, no ambition, no- investment, broken relationships everywhere, and we were selling our best assets on the cheap, using the income to fund losses and using the loan market to paper over the cracks. They were absent owners, didn’t attend matches, didn’t give interviews and went missing when the heat increased.

The reverse is now true. Does he have an ego, almost certainly. I’ve not met any Very wealthy self made people that do not. Has he made mistakes, yes, but so does every business owner. Billionaires Sir Jim Ratcliffe is hardly error free at Man United is he ?

Our fan base can be very odd.
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Hate?

What does happen on here is if you say anything against King there's a sudden pile up on that person. Just the same if you say anything against Lampard.

As you say King isn't perfect. Nobody is. But look what happens if you mention anything. Now you've stretched it to the word hate.

Yes King owns the club and can do whatever he wants with our club. But we should never have it where questions shouldn't be asked just because our last owners were as bad as they come. For instance look at the contradictions including where King said our team were very fit. Lampard came in and said the team were not fit enough.
 
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Chicken Mcgraw

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David O'Day said:
lads, so Lati?

DK has been done to death and we can't have every thread degenerate into this
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I’d be disappointed to see him go. Young, versatile and is seemingly asked to play in a different role week to week.

If he does go, we’d need a cb and a rb to replace him. I don’t know if the plan is for Burroughs to be the back up rb. If not, I think it leaves us too much to do in January.

Letting him go to bring in a loan u21 midfielder makes very little sense to me.
 
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Chris1987

Chris1987

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shmmeee said:
So we accept its regression now, just arguing over how long it’s been happening. I doubt we’ll finish 9th this season.
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Ah so we can use one 3 place lower league finish as an explanation for reversing the course of a club .
Good to know that at least in depth long term parameters are being used to formulate this judgement.
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