MalcSB
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Sounds very appetising.
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shmmeee
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It’s rubbish and she never wants it.
If it were funded properly so they could open early though then I know of at least three parents I talk to who would get to work an hour earlier, pay more taxes, and fund your pension though.
MalcSB
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How long do you think before kids will either be telling the staff member to stick their cold dry bagels up their arse, or using them for food fights?
MalcSB
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Great idea. How do you feel about Eltons kids getting a free cold dry bagel. Or that other millionaire Starmer.
shmmeee
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Bedworth primaries are bad but not quite that bad yet.
Just got a letter from my eldest a secondary begging parents to stop calling their kids during lessons and sending them in with energy drinks though, so give it a couple of years I’m sure.
shmmeee
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If it means he can write another banger in the time he’s saved and pay a few more million in taxes from the profits all the better.
Investment in kids is pretty much as close as you get to a no brainer.
MalcSB
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Honestly why would parents call their children during school time.
shmmeee
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MalcSB
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Sounds like the opposite to me.“Know what’s best for their children” I believe was the answer in this thread
MalcSB
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A cold dry bagel doesn’t sound like what was suggested, it’s not a breakfast it’s a load of carbohydrate calories which won’t last a morning school session.
It might not come as a surprise that I am not all that keen on your use of the last 4 words.
shmmeee
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Hence the need for Labour to expand funding to the program. I’m glad you agree with Keir Starmer.
MalcSB
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I dont.
MalcSB
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Pot kettle black springs to mind when it comes to Labour and voters right to expect transparency and honesty.
Will her old school have to start with the vat and businesss rates I wonder.
Fees at Ursuline High Schools vary by location and grade level.
- Ursuline Preparatory School Ilford
Annual fees are £12,361, exclusive of VAT. This can be paid in three termly installments or in 12 monthly installments.
Typical of Labour to pull up the drawbridge to deny opportunities they have enjoyed to those following behind them.
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MalcSB
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@shmmeee . I had a nice warm moist cinnamon and fruit bagel this morning and it reminded me of the brief exchange we had a couple of days ago in relation to free breakfasts. You said that in your daughter’s case it consisted of a cold, dty bagel which she never wanted.
I can’t imagine you or your household sending a child to school unfed. Does your daughter dutifully eat her bagel or does it get discarded? If she does eat it and has already had a breakfast is that a good thing or a bad thing? If she doesn’t eat it and it gets thrown away, isn’t that not only a waste of taxpayers money and the production and transportation of the bagel an unnecessary addition to the carbon footprint? Remedies will, no doubt, be at least in part at taxpayers expense.
Just as there is said to be no such thing as a free lunch, neither is there a free breakfast. If additional funding was required to provide a proper breakfast, would a nominal parental contribution recognising that the state has taken over that element of good parenting be such a bad idea?
I can’t imagine you or your household sending a child to school unfed. Does your daughter dutifully eat her bagel or does it get discarded? If she does eat it and has already had a breakfast is that a good thing or a bad thing? If she doesn’t eat it and it gets thrown away, isn’t that not only a waste of taxpayers money and the production and transportation of the bagel an unnecessary addition to the carbon footprint? Remedies will, no doubt, be at least in part at taxpayers expense.
Just as there is said to be no such thing as a free lunch, neither is there a free breakfast. If additional funding was required to provide a proper breakfast, would a nominal parental contribution recognising that the state has taken over that element of good parenting be such a bad idea?
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MalcSB
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The original letter would be interesting to see.
I wonder whether she has also written along similar lines to Starmer, Reeves and others who either don’t answer questions asked, or fail to appear at the House of Commons dispatch box when required ( e,g they have buggered off to China).
shmmeee
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She just says no. I’d hope that unused bagels are thrown out and not reused the next day but who knows
I think my serious point here is that the half measures we have don’t really help. What parents want/need is wraparound care. Actual proper breakfast clubs where kids can arrive say an hour or even half an hour early can allow a lot of parents to go back to work or get to work on time. A sad bagel doesn’t.
Rhat said my experience as a teacher was that far more parents than you’d expect either don’t provide breakfast or expect the kid to buy it on the way into school. More secondary I’d guess but kids coming in having had nothing more than a can of monster or a packet of crisps wasn’t uncommon.
chiefdave
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I live near a school and the number of kids walking past downing energy drinks, chocolate bars and crisps doesn't exactly give the impression most parents are packing them off to school after a decent breakfast.
If that's the case with a school like Finham god knows how bad things are for kids in the more deprived parts of the city.
Added benefit, if kids were at school earlier for breakfast clubs it wouldn't be absolute carnage on the roads during peak commuting time.
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shmmeee
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The whole parents know best thing is like any laws isn’t it? You’d think parents do know best but anyone who has worked with them will tell you in many areas they either simply don’t because they were never taught or they dont care, or their life is just too “chaotic” to be an effective parent.
It’s a bit like this Jim Jeffries bit. I can take drugs like a champion but Sarah got high and murdered her kids so now none of us can. Thanks Sarah.
It’s a bit like this Jim Jeffries bit. I can take drugs like a champion but Sarah got high and murdered her kids so now none of us can. Thanks Sarah.
MalcSB
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If only the streets were safer. With less chance of being stabbed en route. Us boomers used to walk to school. Or cycle, and not on the pavement either.
shmmeee
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I mean by any metric the streets are far safer now than when any of us were kids. Parents are weirdly scared now though. Me and my ex constantly have this fight because she won’t let them out of her sight or our past dark as a teenager and I think an older child can walk a mile at 6pm in a residential area with no issues. FFS every square inch is covered by Ring doorbells these days.
Of course she was an army kid who played on barracks and a reclusive teenager whereas I was drinking cider in parks until late from about 14. So we have different risk profiles.
MalcSB
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Trouble with Ring etc is they are of use in investigation post an event. I’m not sure how successful they are at reducing nearby street crime.
shmmeee
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But street crime is at historic lows. Partly to even mostly because of things like cameras and alarms. People just read every scary event that happens worldwide in minutes and their attitude to risk is all fucked up.
Grendel
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Why is it tax payers responsibility to provide nutrition for children just because parents cannot be bothered
I don't think anyone's arguing it's a core responsibility, it's just a good investment.
chiefdave
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Not aware of any kids being stabbed near where I live, and pretty sure that would have made the local facebook group unless everyone was too busy worrying about bins to notice.
However as I have said before despite the school being literally 500 yards walk from my house I see parents bundle their kids into the car and drive them to school. And its not because they're dropping them off on the way to work because I see the parents return home after dropping the kids off!
shmmeee
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Finham Facebook groups are hilarious “Did anyone else see this man walking down the street in the middle of the day??? Seems suspicious!”
fernandopartridge
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In future why would it be those children's responsibility to provide the services to support elderly people who can't be bothered to get dressed, feed themselves etc etc
Surely you're familiar with the benefits of extra meals?
Grendel
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It isn’t is it?
Nick
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Isn't that a childminder?
Should be on parents first and foremost to feed their kids, however sometimes kids just don't want to eat first thing in the morning. It costs fuck all for the parents to whip up some overnight oats or something for their kids to have in the morning.
shmmeee
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OK and when they don’t?
“should” is a pretty useless word in policy making. You have to deal with reality. And most people can’t afford a childminder five mornings a week.