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[Nick]

These things take time especially if it’s not obvious
Pretty hard to prove aiding and abetting a crime what would you charge him with for letting him go to school with a knife? How do you know he knew?
it’s pretty shitty behaviour of course

If his dad stopped him from going in a Taxi to a school, armed with a knife then are we going to believe his dad knew nothing about what his son was intending?

 

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[Nick]

So to be clear, he wasn’t on an MI5 watch list, wasn’t an immigrant, we have no evidence he was Muslim. Yet all the misinformation was apparently from “the authorities” and the media that they control? Have I got that right?

I am sure more will come out about how well he was known, won't it? Look how it's evolved from him being the innocent, Welsh choir boy...

The best thing is, you and Pete are the ones trying to put words in mouths about conspiracies.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Pete with the greatest respect you described Welby as a brilliant man and defended his role in allowing child abuse in the name of God

Brilliant I described him as a good man from my work and my wife’s work with him and I did not and never would defend his role in allowing child abuse within or without the name of god
Don’t be a dick

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

If his dad stopped him from going in a Taxi to a school, armed with a knife then are we going to believe his dad knew nothing about what his son was intending?

Now that would be supposition and I’ve no idea and if he did know and did nothing he is guilty of a crime and as Keirs two tier system deals more firmly with xians expect him to be arrested soon

 

[Nick]

Now that would be supposition and I’ve no idea and if he did know and did nothing he is guilty of a crime and as Keirs two tier system deals more firmly with xians expect him to be arrested soon

What are you on about now?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I am sure more will come out about how well he was known, won't it? Look how it's evolved from him being the innocent, Welsh choir boy...

The best thing is, you and Pete are the ones trying to put words in mouths about conspiracies.

I’m really not
I’m just trying to understand why and I’ve been educated by Rob and I’m thinking about his point and I think I agree that police and security services have a duty to manage unrest and potentially they didn’t do as well as they’d hoped to
I’m not taking any shit about papers like the sun or mail or express being government mouth pieces rhough tjats bollox

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What are you on about now?

You said he knew anout what his son was going to do and if he didn’t tell anyone he is guilty of a crime

 

[Nick]

I’m really not
I’m just trying to understand why and I’ve been educated by Rob and I’m thinking about his point and I think I agree that police and security services have a duty to manage unrest and potentially they didn’t do as well as they’d hoped to
I’m not taking any shit about papers like the sun or mail or express being government mouth pieces rhough tjats bollox

What are you on about though? You are saying things that nobody has said and using it in replies?

 

[shmmeee]

Look it suits my narrative …… how was prevent

It’s fascinating how people defend their priors isn’t it? Everything points to the facts being this kid was British born and fucked up and obsessed with violence (which there’s no intervention for) yet half this thread are coming away with the idea he was an immigrant Muslim terrorist who was being protected by the deep state which consists of Kier Starmer and the Daily Mail.

 

[Nick]

You said he knew anout what his son was going to do and if he didn’t tell anyone he is guilty of a crime

Yeah so why are you going on about Starmer and Christians when it's completely unrelated to anything I have said?

 

[rob9872]

The police?
or the press?
or is this cobra led and starmer was making the decisions?
that’s the allegation I think
Not from you Rob or Nick for that matter

Sorry, dipping in and out whilst at work. The Police I was referring to, they were seeping information when their normal rhetoric is not to offer anything until all the facts were known, so my question is not only why, but presumably they already knew more than they were revealing (which I accept isnt uncommon), but other than quelling public opinion, to what end and who was enabling the information? With something so sensitive, I'd assume they probably do have to run things past government officials before releasing any statement.

 

[Nick]

It’s fascinating how people defend their priors isn’t it? Everything points to the facts being this kid was British born and fucked up and obsessed with violence (which there’s no intervention for) yet half this thread are coming away with the idea he was an immigrant Muslim terrorist who was being protected by the deep state which consists of Kier Starmer and the Daily Mail.

Are you making up stories again? There's a shock.

I'm sure next you will accuse people of getting their views from social media, while repeating stuff you have seen on social media ".

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Sorry, dipping in and out whilst at work. The Police I was referring to, they were seeping information when their normal rhetoric is not to offer anything until all the facts were known, so my question is not only why, but presumably they already knew more than they were revealing (which I accept isnt uncommon), but other than quelling public opinion, to what end and who was enabling the information? With something so sensitive, I'd assume they probably do have to run things past government officials before releasing any statement.

Which isn’t a bad idea but you need to be better at it
Looking back to the thread before the riots started you can’t argue with what was happening I don’t think
Agitators we’re stirring up racial tensions
Police were trying to fan them
Riots started

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It’s fascinating how people defend their priors isn’t it? Everything points to the facts being this kid was British born and fucked up and obsessed with violence (which there’s no intervention for) yet half this thread are coming away with the idea he was an immigrant Muslim terrorist who was being protected by the deep state which consists of Kier Starmer and the Daily Mail.

Yep

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yeah so why are you going on about Starmer and Christians when it's completely unrelated to anything I have said?

His dad is a Christian
You are saying he’s not been charged
I am saying that’s surprising as with the two tier system Christians and white people are treated far worse

 

[rob9872]

Which isn’t a bad idea but you need to be better at it
Looking back to the thread before the riots started you can’t argue with what was happening I don’t think
Agitators we’re stirring up racial tensions
Police were trying to fan them
Riots started

I think that's the point, they started badly albeit with the right intentions, then kept going. We'd all love to buy a bottle of hindsight, but I suspect things might've been better to say almost nothing. Sadly we'll never know.

 

[Nick]

Which isn’t a bad idea but you need to be better at it
Looking back to the thread before the riots started you can’t argue with what was happening I don’t think
Agitators we’re stirring up racial tensions
Police were trying to fan them
Riots started

Think you're completely missing the point. Is it intentional?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I think that's the point, they started badly albeit with the right intentions, then kept going. We'd all love to buy a bottle of hindsight, but I suspect things might've been better to say almost nothing. Sadly we'll never know.

Yep foresight far harder and it’s certainly harder to have a go at misinformation the other way when you are engaging in it yourself

 

[Nick]

His dad is a Christian
You are saying he’s not been charged
I am saying that’s surprising as with the two tier system Christians and white people are treated far worse

Where have I said that?

 

[Nick]

I think that's the point, they started badly albeit with the right intentions, then kept going. We'd all love to buy a bottle of hindsight, but I suspect things might've been better to say almost nothing. Sadly we'll never know.

I think it was intentional to try and calm things down but people clearly knew more and with the stuff coming out from people who knew him or lived by him, it didn't match up with the little Christian angel persona. That's why it was making things worse and probably driving people towards the riots.

I'm not saying it's right, either.

 

[shmmeee]

Isn't the usual line about not spreading misinformation and we dont know anything yet please wait for the facts. In this instance it was like they were being drip-fed soundbites to release and nobody bought it.

There were ongoing riots Rob. That was the difference. What was dripping fed was facts that disproved the cause of those riots. You’re certainly right that no one believed it though, because we’ve got a populace primed to only believe social media grifters and not authoritative sources.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Think you're completely missing the point. Is it intentional?

I’m not
Tell me the point I’m missing

 

[shmmeee]

I’m not
Tell me the point I’m missing

Reckon this is a four laughing emoji response required here. Maybe five, it’s been a while since I read the Oxford debating society rules.

 

[Grendel]

Brilliant I described him as a good man from my work and my wife’s work with him and I did not and never would defend his role in allowing child abuse within or without the name of god
Don’t be a dick

No you described a man who allowed child sexual abuse under his watch to defend his ego, his reputation and his abusers in his flock as brilliant.

If there is a hell he and his flock will rot in it

Jubilee

So… everyone having a good jubilee?

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

 

[Nick]

There were ongoing riots Rob. That was the difference. What was dripping fed was facts that disproved the cause of those riots.

It didn't though, that's the point being made. (Apart from the bit about him coming over on a boat recently).

 

[Nick]

I’m not
Tell me the point I’m missing

The point is that the flames were fanned with petrol.

Locals already knew who he was and were posting about him and things were getting deleted. People were getting the "He was a choir boy" thing thrown at them when people who knew him were saying he was calling for Genocides at school and was kicked out for bringing a knife into school and going back to attack somebody with a hockey stick. At this point, the police would have known full well he was producing ricin in his house ffs. He was known to police and they would have known all of this within minutes of the attack.

I get it, did they want to avoid community tensions? If anything they stirred them up much more.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

No you described a man who allowed child sexual abuse under his watch to defend his ego, his reputation and his abusers in his flock as brilliant.

If there is a hell he and his flock will rot in it

Jubilee

So… everyone having a good jubilee?

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

And where did I say that?
Wtaf

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The point is that the flames were fanned with petrol.

Locals already knew who he was and were posting about him and things were getting deleted. People were getting the "He was a choir boy" thing thrown at them when people who knew him were saying he was calling for Genocides at school and was kicked out for bringing a knife into school and going back to attack somebody with a hockey stick. At this point, the police would have known full well he was producing ricin in his house ffs. He was known to police and they would have known all of this within minutes of the attack.

I get it, did they want to avoid community tensions? If anything they stirred them up much more.

That may be looking back how you want it to be
It wasn’t
Look at the first 15 or so pages on this thread
I still am struggling with the how the crime is worse because he’s black welsh Muslim had ricin etc etc
Or that the crime was just out of this world awful
Nothing we will see will probable come close
So no I wasn’t missing the point I was disagreeing with you

 

[Nick]

That may be looking back how you want it to be
It wasn’t
Look at the first 15 or so pages on this thread
I still am struggling with the how the crime is worse because he’s black welsh Muslim had ricin etc etc
Or that the crime was just out of this world awful
Nothing we will see will probable come close
So no I wasn’t missing the point I was disagreeing with you

How wasn't it like that? What have I said in that that is wrong?

 

[Captain Dart]

photo was accurate it was just not recent - who released it? Government????

I think you meant to say deliberately misleading with intent to present him as an innocent.

 

[PVA]

I think you meant to say deliberately misleading with intent to present him as an innocent.
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Deliberately misleading or the only public photo of him? (think it was from a newspaper article or something)

 

[shmmeee]

Any ideas why the deep state was laundering these killers lads?

Chilling never-before-seen photos of killer mom Susan Smith

Killer mom Susan Smith can be seen smiling sweetly in her yearbook photos just five years before she brutally murdered her two young sons aged three and 14 months.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Serial killer who was humiliated as a child before killing 17 people

Dubbed the 'Monster of Liguria' and the 'Riviera Killer' for his terrorising of the region in the late 90s, Bilancia murdered 17 people over the course of just six months.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Throwback snaps see serial killers in their yearbook photos

Just like your average college student, these twisted criminals also had to sit for their yearbook photos, and you'd be forgiven for thinking they were normal people just like everyone else.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Probably something to do with Muslims I’m sure.

 

[Captain Dart]

Deliberately misleading or the only public photo of him? (think it was from a newspaper article or something)

Here is a newly released accurate depiction.

 

[shmmeee]

Why weren’t there more pictures of a loner weirdo? Makesuthink

 

[PVA]

Here is a newly released accurate depiction.

Well, yes. It would have been quite impressive for the media to have used a photo from the future.

That doesn't answer my question.