Do you want to discuss boring politics? (9 Viewers)
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MalcSB
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Tricky one for @shmmeee . More money kept in working person's pocket.
petition.parliament.uk
Petition: Raise the standard tax-free Personal Allowance to £45,000
The Personal Allowance is the amount of income a person can get before they pay tax. It stands at £12,570 in 2024. We would like the standard Personal Allowance raised to what we think is a more realistic figure of £45,000.
petition.parliament.uk
Well, in comparison to the natural disasters of other countries it is a little bit of water.
Tragic as it is for those people, and it must be absolutely horrendous, it's really not comparable to the things that happen in those countries in that hilarious Facebook meme is it?
robbiekeane
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lmao is that a serious petitionTricky one for @shmmeee . More money kept in working person's pocket.
Petition: Raise the standard tax-free Personal Allowance to £45,000
The Personal Allowance is the amount of income a person can get before they pay tax. It stands at £12,570 in 2024. We would like the standard Personal Allowance raised to what we think is a more realistic figure of £45,000.
Tricky one for @shmmeee . More money kept in working person's pocket.
Petition: Raise the standard tax-free Personal Allowance to £45,000
The Personal Allowance is the amount of income a person can get before they pay tax. It stands at £12,570 in 2024. We would like the standard Personal Allowance raised to what we think is a more realistic figure of £45,000.
I saw this floating around online and wondered how long before it ended up on here
I’m not sure why you’re conflating private charitable donations (which always flow from the wealthy to the poor) with state foreign aid which - aside from often being a morally decent thing - is often conditional and serves as a soft power lever for the British government to pull.
Despite your spirited attempts at late night internet research (a Syrian space program? Really?) this is just a copy-paste Facebook meme aimed at generating resentment from British people towards poor (and mostly non-white) foreign people. I would suggest if these people are so objectionable to you, then cutting our foreign aid to them might actually end up with more of them wanting to settle in our suddenly well-funded country.
shmmeee
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Tricky one for @shmmeee . More money kept in working person's pocket.
Petition: Raise the standard tax-free Personal Allowance to £45,000
The Personal Allowance is the amount of income a person can get before they pay tax. It stands at £12,570 in 2024. We would like the standard Personal Allowance raised to what we think is a more realistic figure of £45,000.
We’ve done this argument. Just search the thread at this point.
Though you seem to think these petitions mean something. So I assume you want us to rejoin the EU as that’s the one that’s had the most signatures.
MalcSB
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You can’t even be bothered to do some day time internet research even when pointed in a direction which might help you. Having received it it might have been expected that they could have coped with problems using some of those funds without the need to immediately seek private charitable donations. That of course would be assuming that the money hasn't been squandered on expensive programs or embezzled.
To repeat your comment - a Syrian space program, really. Yes, see below.
My point about foreign aid is that some countries receiving it really don’t need it if they are capable of funding space and / or nuclear weapons programs. A bit like Elton John and the WFA.
On the other hand, we aren’t spending enough on flood defences or prevention. Or children’s breakfasts at school.
So the money could be better spent at home.
Soft levers! Don’t soft levers bend rendering them pretty ineffective?
When was the last time foreign aid earned the UK any respect or favours?
Your turn to prove your point.
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Yes thank you Malcolm, I saw the link the first time. If you truly believe that Syria still has a functioning space program then I won't stand in your way, but it still doesn't explain why you lumped them in with Afghanistan and every country in Africa.
The idea that Britain is struggling to pay for flood defences because of its foreign aid budget doesn't really (ahem) hold water I'm afraid. But you go and have a good laugh at Afghanistan in the meantime.
shmmeee
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In India most “aid” is loans and equity investments in the private sector that deliver a return:
UK aid to India - ICAI
icai.independent.gov.uk
In Syria it’s mostly getting kids back into school and is humanitarian aid after the war. It’s in our interest to not let ISIS or other groups use the humanitarian crisis as a way to gain more power.
The UK’s humanitarian support to Syria - ICAI
icai.independent.gov.uk
fernandopartridge
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"Sent hardworking Ugandan Asians" lol - Britain offered ugandan asians a refuge from a tyrant. Come on Malc you are much better than this.
shmmeee
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“Dredging waterways”
One of those signs someone has got their information from a political and not scientific source. Dredging makes flooding worse, it’s a tool for increasing navigability mostly. You want to hold and slow water during a flood not speed it up.
environmentagency.blog.gov.uk
One of those signs someone has got their information from a political and not scientific source. Dredging makes flooding worse, it’s a tool for increasing navigability mostly. You want to hold and slow water during a flood not speed it up.
Floods and dredging: explaining the Environment Agency’s approach – Creating a better place
News and updates from the Environment Agency
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep I’m really annoyed at this argument and I’m just as angry at the labour government for not getting on the front foot and explaining how government spending works
There are amounts that have to be paid and then there are discretionary amounts that are choices
Rather than going round in circles nail them and manage the discussion
Get on the front foot over foreign aid and why it’s more important than blah
Manage the discussion around deportation and how much it costs or home office costs for managing claims against border guards
Show the working out
Sky Blue Pete
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Like thisIn India most “aid” is loans and equity investments in the private sector that deliver a return:
UK aid to India - ICAI
In Syria it’s mostly getting kids back into school and is humanitarian aid after the war. It’s in our interest to not let ISIS or other groups use the humanitarian crisis as a way to gain more power.
The UK’s humanitarian support to Syria - ICAI
Get on the pr wing and help them out ffs
shmmeee
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You don’t combat what’s essentially xenophobia with stats unfortunately.
Sky Blue Pete
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Maybe
I’d hope you’d push the argument from why are we supporting Syrians instead to brits to one that is
Oh I hadn’t realised we were deporting more people than ever and increasing investment in the home office to reduce the time spent waiting for a decision and this has reduced the spending on accommodation from millions to that many millions
Who are you using to stop the boats Nigel and Rupert?
how are you paying for that?
why didn’t you invest blah blah blah
Also lots more families having to leave our church cause of visa issues
Of course you weren't. "Is this plea each or between them" was a comment borne out of genuine concern, I'm sure.
Unfortunately I'm not convinced he is - he seems to have found his level
CovValleyBoy
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Malc the echo is deafening.. Blackburn Away is much more important. That is one you can win.
shmmeee
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Some good news. At least the families won’t be dragged through a court process now.
Axel Rudakubana pleads guilty to murder of three girls in Southport
Axel Rudakubana entered the plea on the first day of his trial at Liverpool Crown Court.
www.bbc.co.uk
Sky Blue Pete
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That is goodSome good news. At least the families won’t be dragged through a court process now.
Axel Rudakubana pleads guilty to murder of three girls in Southport
Axel Rudakubana entered the plea on the first day of his trial at Liverpool Crown Court.www.bbc.co.uk
fernandopartridge
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Sky Blue Pete
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That’s good stuff
Hope it will happen
Hope it will happen
hats go
shmmeee
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This BTW is what’s always worried me about the lefts position of “pretend people can change sex to be nice”.
Douglas Carswell:
We’re getting all the hits of the 1930s right now.
(and gender is fluid dipshit it’s a social construct, you mean sex)
The underlying ideology of the elites has always been a way to reconcile the fact that they’ve got far too much and how is that fair? Perhaps the most eye opening thing I’ve seen is this YouTube documentary from one of the Johnson & Johnson heirs:
The ultra wealthy struggle with the morality of their wealth and the only way out of it is to claim they’re genetically superior to those who aren’t wealthy. All the racism, homophobia, sexism, etc comes from a need to justify their unearned position.
Douglas Carswell:
We’re getting all the hits of the 1930s right now.
(and gender is fluid dipshit it’s a social construct, you mean sex)
The underlying ideology of the elites has always been a way to reconcile the fact that they’ve got far too much and how is that fair? Perhaps the most eye opening thing I’ve seen is this YouTube documentary from one of the Johnson & Johnson heirs:
The ultra wealthy struggle with the morality of their wealth and the only way out of it is to claim they’re genetically superior to those who aren’t wealthy. All the racism, homophobia, sexism, etc comes from a need to justify their unearned position.
fernandopartridge
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It was all stuff originally planned to be complete by 2030 (which yes realistically wasn't going to happen). Now lots of it has been pushed back 10 years, which means years more of substandard healthcare settings and high maintenance costs and reduced economic boost from investment.
fernandopartridge
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I hate the politics in a statement ostensibly from the DHSC, Tories shouldn't do it and neither should Labour. It's pathetic. The statement makes the DHSC look stupid as it was they that published the original NHP and now they're rubbish their own plan.
shmmeee
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It’s still on the left to do better though. And for five years now it’s shown no appetite to. I couldn’t even name a left wing person that’s come to prominence since maybe 2015?
Still a lack of charismatic leaders, still a lack of being able or prioritise to get elected, still an unwillingness to meet voters where they are. 2017 looked like the start of that then the borrowed votes from the anti Brexit vote convinced them they just needed to go further to the left to win and they blew it.
My kingdom for a serious left wing policy platform headed by a charismatic leader backed by a serious electoral strategy.
Sky Blue Pete
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I
agree completely unnecessary
fernandopartridge
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I don't disagree with that but it doesn't mean I can't criticise the actions of the government. It's not even from a perspective of "what they're proposing isn't left wing enough" it's from the perspective of "it doesn't line up with their purported aims and is economically illogical"
shmmeee
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I don’t know the details so will defer to you on your specialist subject, it just read to me as “we should borrow to invest more now”
fernandopartridge
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The message to somebody in eg Preston is loud and clear. The new hospital you were promised by the Tories and we're consulting with you on will not be built for another 15 years.
shmmeee
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I mean it wouldn’t have been built at all under the Tories but yes this is a problem with reality based politics vs fantasy politics.
fernandopartridge
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Indeed, and fantasy will meet reality at the polls in 2029.