Transfer Rumour Matt Grimes (7 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

He doesn't have a clue what players in the CDM do in modern teams.

It's not his job to win tackles etc, he is there to help block lanes but his main role is in possession.

He seems to think modern CDMs are like David Fucking Batty

Defensive midfielders generally break up play win the ball back and start building up play ?

Thats their main role

 

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It looks like 4-3-3 will be the way forward based on the Lampards comments about wingers.

I’ve been trying to think of a player to compare Grimes to and the closest I can think of is Ollie Norwood. Very gifted on the ball, plays deep, model pro but isn’t a tough tackling, shouty captain type at all. He’ll be doing Allen’s role now with the hope that Torp and whoever else makes up the midfield 3 provides a bit of bite.

Just read he completed the most tackles in the Championship this season. Don't know if any of them were any good and he has played every game which would bump it up.

 

[David O'Day]

People aren't arguing, it's called a discussion. Relax

It's not fella, it's really not

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Defensive midfielders generally break up play win the ball back and start building up play ?

Thats their main role

Him arguing that defensive midfielders don’t do some aspect of defending is hilarious

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Defensive midfielders generally break up play win the ball back and start building up play ?

Thats their main role

Traditionally they were, nowadays a lot of possession teams use them as the focal point between Defence and midfield, especially when you play shorter passes. It allows the midfield to stay further up, rather than dropping back to get the ball

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

He doesn't have a clue what players in the CDM do in modern teams.

It's not his job to win tackles etc, he is there to help block lanes but his main role is in possession.

He seems to think modern CDMs are like David Fucking Batty

I mean depends on the system and the player. Some systems will put in a DM who is there to win the ball back and retain the ball. Ala Ben Sheaf 22/23.

Some systems will want them to act more as a quarterback and move the ball and create chances from deep.

Both exist still although the later is more common in the modern game. Was just saying due to how Swansea play it’s no shock he has lower defensive stats as the team often have the ball.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Defensive midfielders generally break up play win the ball back and start building up play ?

Thats their main role

Traditionally yes but not always. Still think Grimes numbers would be high compared to the rest of Swansea.

Same reason his pass stats are really high is due to the amount of the ball they keep. Can’t tackle a player who doesn’t have the ball

 

[David O'Day]

Anyway, his main job is to pick the ball up from the defence or keeper and help us play through the opposition press.

He's very good at that.

I'm not worried about how many tackles he mates or his "ground duel %" as that simply is not his role.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Swansea have the second highest possession in the league. Press high and up the pitch.

It’s not a lack of ability for the defensive stats just a lack of time the opposition have the ball. Cant tackle someone who doesn’t have the ball.

Same reason his pass stats are so high as he often has the ball in his feet

 

[David O'Day]

I mean depends on the system and the player. Some systems will put in a DM who is there to win the ball back and retain the ball. Ala Ben Sheaf 22/23.

Some systems will want them to act more as a quarterback and move the ball and create chances from deep.

Both exist still although the later is more common in the modern game. Was just saying due to how Swansea play it’s no shock he has lower defensive stats as the team often have the ball.

Most good teams don't though, winning the ball back is these days much more a whole team affair with pressing traps etc.

 

[Lamps]

He's made more tackles than any other player in the championship this season so far....

Whenever I have seen him play he has been a standout player on the pitch. Maybe one of the reasons we keep doing badly against Swansea. Add this to his stats and videos you can see it isn't just against us that he does it to.

I also can't think of another player who is an ever present over different seasons, even going a whole season playing every minute. Most players don't even get near to doing it once so fitness isn't a problem. Built of rock and not glass like we normally get.

 

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Thorn was a bad manager, infact he was barely a manager but he still dealt a shit hand

Pretty sure he turned up for training one day in his second pre season and asked where Bigirimana was and he'd been flogged without his knowledge

As we have mentioned as well the club were openly desperate to flog Juke as well as Ben Turner at the start of the season

We were ran appallingly over those years

Knew a relative of a player back then. Told me Thorn only seen by the players on match day. Didn't go to training.

 

[Evo1883]

Traditionally they were, nowadays a lot of possession teams use them as the focal point between Defence and midfield, especially when you play shorter passes. It allows the midfield to stay further up, rather than dropping back to get the ball

I think it rather depends alot on the team , better teams like man city who as you say like to control the game don't defend as often because they've got the ball more .. but a team like Liverpool who like to disposses and counter fast will use their defensive midfielders differently..

See the interception stats for Rodri and gravenberch as an example

 

[wingy]

International clearance? He's only from Wyken

Quite a hotbed I think.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I think it rather depends alot on the team , better teams like man city who as you say like to control the game don't defend as often because they've got the ball more .. but a team like Liverpool who like to disposses and counter fast will use their defensive midfielders differently..

See the interception stats for Rodri and gravenberch as an example

I think that’s how Lampard aspires to play, didn’t the Everton and Derby fans say they played nice stuff but leaked goals for fun?

 

[The Philosopher]

Knew a relative of a player back then. Told me Thorn only seen by the players on match day. Didn't go to training.

IIRC Carl Baker (via his wife? or have I totally misremembered?) disclosing that he had to organise his own runs etc in order to keep match fitness?

Thorn was a disaster. Nice bloke, awful manager.

 

[wingy]

I think it rather depends alot on the team , better teams like man city who as you say like to control the game don't defend as often because they've got the ball more .. but a team like Liverpool who like to disposses and counter fast will use their defensive midfielders differently..

See the interception stats for Rodri and gravenberch as an example

Emulating the latter then, that'll do it?

 

[David O'Day]

I mean depends on the system and the player. Some systems will put in a DM who is there to win the ball back and retain the ball. Ala Ben Sheaf 22/23.

Some systems will want them to act more as a quarterback and move the ball and create chances from deep.

Both exist still although the later is more common in the modern game. Was just saying due to how Swansea play it’s no shock he has lower defensive stats as the team often have the ball.

Here's a good article on triggers and pressing traps and how modern teams win the ball back

How Football Works: The triggers, traps and tempo of pressing

Players watch for 'triggers' and they may spring a 'trap', but the most important principle when it comes to pressing tactics is 'tempo'...

www.nytimes.com

 

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Not that it means much, but we apparently beat off Hull to get him, whether it was the fee, wages or the pull of George Boateng or a combo of any of them, something attracted him to us at the 11th hour

Said somewhere he did not want to leave the Midlands. Don't know if that is accurate, as a social media post.

 

[Evo1883]

Emulating the latter then, that'll do it?

Both teams have had huge success with both styles

 

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Wonder how much the ni increase cost

Not until April

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Super Matty Grimes

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Super Matty Grimes

'Look after him'

 

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On the 30K, based on the bbc he’s meant to be getting a significant pay rise.

Can’t be that far off our 25K rumoured limit so maybe there is something to it

Think it usually stays within the wage structure, with a big hello payment.

 

[MOwen]

Matt Grimes was the top rated player on theanalyst.com in the championship. https://theanalyst.com/eu/competition/english-championship

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Its so refreshing that we are destabalising a club before we play! its usually done to us! hw will be an excellent/good signing

I would laugh if we had no actual desire to sign him and this was all a scam.

Doug has seen that spreadsheet with the historical record against Swansea and decided to take radical action to wobble them!

 

[Diogenes]

He likes arguing for no reason

No he doesn't

 

[blunted]

Didn’t we get to 100 before Chaplin signed?

Shit, how did that turn out (apart from a small profit)?

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Super Matty Grimes

Anyone tracking his Uber to Ryton?

 

[David O'Day]

No he doesn't

yes i do

 

[David O'Day]

Anyone tracking his Uber to Ryton?

uber? Doug is so potless he's making him catch the 21 by Marina fish bar and walk the rest of the way

 

[SkyBlueStallion_89]

Anyone tracking his Uber to Ryton?

I would say 'no worry lads I got this' and hide in the bushes and wait but I've already been arrested and banned from that area

 

[Chris1987]

I must have missed where I suggested he couldn’t do that? Perhaps you imagined it.

My concerns with him are his lack of mobility, his defensive attributes, his age and the speed at which he can progress the ball.

He is undoubtedly very gifted on the ball, which if you’d read any of my posts on him, you would know.

Conspicuous that in order for you to emphasise your original point you chose to neglect mentioning this aspect of his game initially. I didn't imagine that.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Not until April

How come loads of companies are already saying they have hit rid of loads of people

 

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How come loads of companies are already saying they have hit rid of loads of people

Because they are anticipating the rise along with minimum wage increase. Poor Sainsbury are sacking 3000 as they are only forecast to make in excess of £1 billion profit this year.