CovValleyBoy
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Why do you ask ?
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Sky Blue Pete
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Interested whether you care deeply about xian faith or just using it to make a point
MalcSB
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Probably correct.
CovValleyBoy
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I am not making a point around Christian faith. That wouldn't be Christian.
Remarking that it's probably the biggest cultural change in 60 years in this Country :
the continued decline of Christianity & at what cost ?!
shmmeee
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Honestly this insistence that we’re super Christian I’ve only heard in the last five years or so. Generally the attitude to faith I’ve witnessed in the UK is don’t ask don’t tell.
rob9872
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The truth is and nobody seems willing to say it for fear of being labelled as racist or Islamophobic, that quite simply the crux of the 'change culture' is people are scared of Islam. If you dont bury your head in the sand, the general consensus who hide behind 'we're Christian' are in most cases I believe agnostic at best.
There is a genuine fear of 'Islam is taking over' and lots are scared by it in most I assume because a) they don't understand it and b) the attacks over the past generation that have been carried out in it's name by extremists. If there was a willingness to accept we have an issue and an equal willingness to accept that we can all live in a safe space without fear, that indigenous folk can express their concern without label and that immigrants are held to the same standards but without persecution then I think it would all be a lot more harmonious and in general would stop hiding behind changes in culture or religion.
If you asked me there's nothing more British culture than going out and drinking a barrel load of German or Irish beer followed by an Indian curry. Culture changes over time and that's ok, but let's also not shout down everyone who has a different view and feels marginalised or it will only create further division and eventually hate.
There is a genuine fear of 'Islam is taking over' and lots are scared by it in most I assume because a) they don't understand it and b) the attacks over the past generation that have been carried out in it's name by extremists. If there was a willingness to accept we have an issue and an equal willingness to accept that we can all live in a safe space without fear, that indigenous folk can express their concern without label and that immigrants are held to the same standards but without persecution then I think it would all be a lot more harmonious and in general would stop hiding behind changes in culture or religion.
If you asked me there's nothing more British culture than going out and drinking a barrel load of German or Irish beer followed by an Indian curry. Culture changes over time and that's ok, but let's also not shout down everyone who has a different view and feels marginalised or it will only create further division and eventually hate.
CovValleyBoy
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However if you are asked , & I was , if you have faith, you have to tell.
shmmeee
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I think as a country we’ve always been suspicious of fundamentalists and of overt religious expression TBH. I remember when a school I taught at was taken over by some weird Christian sect that thought the world was 6000 years old and it creeped everyone out including the normal Christian members of staff. My kid goes to a CofE school and that’s barely religious if I’m honest (it’s just the most convenient school).
I think thinks like Sikh turbans and Muslim niqabs trigger the same thing as those people stood in town handing out Christian literature or jehovahs witnesses. I feel like generally we’re happier with quieter faith.
rob9872
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A generation ago I think you might have had a more valid point, but apart from a few eejits, I think even the most ignorant these days know that a turban doesn't represent a threat and I can't think of a single thing Sikhs have done negatively to any community on British soil.
This is no way suggesting all Muslims are the problem either, but to call it out for what it is that people are scared of radical Islam so their interpretation is to shut down to all of it.
This is no way suggesting all Muslims are the problem either, but to call it out for what it is that people are scared of radical Islam so their interpretation is to shut down to all of it.
shmmeee
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Nah Sikhs are always “one of the good ones” and I think generally are far less segregated than Muslims. Also outside the turban and the sick knife accessories are mostly normally dressed. I think the things ESB is alluding to is more men in thobes and women in niqabs which are out of the norm and stand out a mile.
fernandopartridge
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Change of topic:
Drivers caught speeding at 164mph told to stop being 'selfish'
At least 24,000 drivers were detected speeding at over 100mph in five years, police data shows.www.bbc.co.uk
I was told on my speed awareness course that 30mph over the limit and you “lost your licence” clearly that just means “a short ban”.
Excess speed, especially to that extent should be viewed the same way morally as drink driving
Really should as I'm just waiting on one coming through for 35 approx in a thirty,oh well think I'm going to have to pack it in anyway, cracked my windscreen,hot water out the tap,silly mistake always used tepid before.+£200app,New exhaust for MOT circa £300Insurance hike,tax.
Time to drop it I think
Sky Blue Pete
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Well that’s nothing to do with immigration.
blame the first and second world wars
CovValleyBoy
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I didn't mention a cause, you have & that is your opinion. I said Christianity in the UK was diminished & therefore it was a significant "change to British culture" which I understood was the question raised.
fernandopartridge
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It is diminished as much because people are increasingly unlikely to believe in such utter nonsense, especially in a world with easy access to so much information.
CovValleyBoy
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Your assertion. Maybe one day you will reflect & reconsider.
skybluetony176
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Sky Blue Pete
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God bless you fernando
Is it the case that you can get interest free loans, mortgage's, bring it on, but not the other stuff!
shmmeee
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They’re not really tho. You can get Islamic mortgages here and I think technically the bank buys the house then sells it to you for a profit equivalent to the interest cost. Like Jews on the sabbath there’s lots of God loopholes when needed.
fernandopartridge
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The Prince of Darkness grovels
Sky Blue Pete
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You can see why Corbyn lost
shmmeee
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I maintain that his Russia stance was far more damaging than his Brexit stance.
Sky Blue Pete
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shmmeee
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Brexit hurt him but 2017 was the high watermark really. It was a de facto second referendum. I think by 2019 is was more of a normal election. But we’ve been here before.
Grendel
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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MalcSB
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There seem to be lots of adverts for devices aimed at helping people getting done for speeding.
There is a really easy way to do that at no cost. Just don’t speed.
Captain Dart
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I would very much like it if Strictly Come Dancing, The Masked Singer and Ant and Dec disappeared from UK culture.
Don't want to shoot them down one by one or anything remotely like that. I want an idea of what culture people are fearing is on the verge of disappearing because I'm struggling to think of a single thing I'm concerned is about to vanish from life in Britain.
I mean if you want to take our culture from Facebook groups then we're already fucked.
Captain Dart
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I hope the Trump administration tells him where to go.
shmmeee
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Both Epstein associates. Probably old drinking buddies.