Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (5 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

at the risk of sounding a bit over the top, yes we do, and there are some horrible parallels in terms of a dictatorial leader banging on about becoming the ultimate power blaming all problems on minorities and foreigners, and that concept becoming more & more prevalent.

I think the country is so split and so successful already that some parallels with 1930’s Germany don’t fit but there are lessons to learn
Friends and neighbours are not our enemies we need to engage them in discussion about whether the racist memes and social media rabbit holes are truth or to divide
Was really hard to keep engaging with tories much harder with reform voters but it has to be done and they with me
Far more unites us than divides us

 

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[skyblueinBaku]

Nice one Dim Dom. Can't wait for the day when you put together a coherent well researched comment on here that is based on truth. You lap up the MAGA Trump stuff its very funny like a little fan boy. Do you have a poster of him in his bedroom that you tug yourself off to each night? Please go to university and hopefully don't have children until you have dome so. The world will be a nicer place without nasty, loveless, racist, mysoginistic gammons like you spreading extremism and hate about. FRO.

Gammons? That's just a cut of pork.

 

[Nick]

I’m sure trumps feelings would be hurt by all of these nasty comments on skybluestalk

Going for a beer and a round of golf with him at the weekend so will show him.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

They probably aren’t, but its another stick to beat people with.

Can anyone show that what Trump said about the recruitment policies was inaccurate. It is entirely within the range of possibility that it was an entirely factual statement. The BBC has found some archived pages showing that what Trump said is accurate.

I think you should have said “ if it impacts safety” rather than “when”. There‘s no evidence either way.

Having said that, the concept of preferentially hiring people with severe intellectual disability or psychiatric disability seems to potentially be high risk in this industry - dependent upon which type of roles are being hired for. I’m not sure how many of us would want to be piloted by someone with a psychiatric disability. Or a heart condition for that matter.

The colour of a pilot’s skin of itself makes no difference.

I'm sure every single person working as a Air Traffic Controller has to pass very high tests of mental ability, reliability and reactions in a crisis. Not sure a few dimwits on here, who just swallow all Trumps reactionary outburst would pass that test! He wouldnt criticise the US army helicopter as he blows smoke up the militaries arse ( unless they are black, female or gay soldiers)

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

Going for a beer and a round of golf with him at the weekend so will show him.

You could talk about all the different death penalty methods all day as well. Lovely.

 

[PVA]

Thing is he started off quite well and actually showed a bit of decorum for once.

Started off with a moment's silence. Even said 'we're all one big family' or something like that.

Then he just couldn't help himself and reverted to point scoring and bigotry. And then threw half of the aforementioned 'family' into the fire.

 

[Grendel]

When will people actually realise the election of Donald Trump will have zero impact on our lives. Life will just go on here with no change.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Nice one Dim Dom. Can't wait for the day when you put together a coherent well researched comment on here that is based on truth. You lap up the MAGA Trump stuff its very funny like a little fan boy. Do you have a poster of him in his bedroom that you tug yourself off to each night? Please go to university and hopefully don't have children until you have dome so. The world will be a nicer place without nasty, loveless, racist, mysoginistic gammons like you spreading extremism and hate about. FRO.

Replying to meat 2am in the morning, ah yeah that’s right, everybody that likes trump is every bad word under the sun. Fuck off you weirdo

Suppose all the different groups of people that vote for him are racist too then? Fucking prick

 

[Grendel]

You could talk about all the different death penalty methods all day as well. Lovely.

I don’t think he’s really seeing him Charles

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Thing is he started off quite well and actually showed a bit of decorum for once.

Started off with a moment's silence. Even said 'we're all one big family' or something like that.

Then he just couldn't help himself and reverted to point scoring and bigotry. And then threw half of the aforementioned 'family' into the fire.

Yep advisors in the back were smiling and then wtaf

 

[Nick]

When will people actually realise the election of Donald Trump will have zero impact on our lives. Life will just go on here with no change.

social media scaremongering.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

When will people actually realise the election of Donald Trump will have zero impact on our lives. Life will just go on here with no change.

Hopefully you keep that statement to hand
Course it has an effect on our lives as the USA has for over my whole lifetime for good and bad

 

[Nick]

You could talk about all the different death penalty methods all day as well. Lovely.

Even better!

First up, utter woke nonsense people. Get rid of a few before we get to the 9th.

 

[Grendel]

Hopefully you keep that statement to hand
Course it has an effect on our lives as the USA has for over my whole lifetime for good and bad

In what way has your life been impacted. What happened last time he was in town?

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

Replying to meat 2am in the morning, ah yeah that’s right, everybody that likes trump is every bad word under the sun. Fuck off you weirdo

Suppose all the different groups of people that vote for him are racist too then? Fucking prick

Resorting to pure abuse now... nice fella. Stop embarrassing yourself and just try and stop posting nasty and distorted stuff all the time. Life is too short. Everyone on here likes a debate but you take ignorance and hate to the highest level.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Resorting to pure abuse now... nice fella. Stop embarrassing yourself and just try and stop posting nasty and distorted stuff all the time. Life is too short. Everyone on here likes a debate but you take ignorance and hate to the highest level.

You started it with your bullshit opinions, I say it again are all the different groups of people who voted for trump all racist then, all the different races and religions? Nah I didn’t think so

 

[chiefdave]

I'm sure every single person working as a Air Traffic Controller has to pass very high tests of mental ability, reliability and reactions in a crisis. Not sure a few dimwits on here, who just swallow all Trumps reactionary outburst would pass that test! He wouldnt criticise the US army helicopter as he blows smoke up the militaries arse ( unless they are black, female or gay soldiers)

My office used to be in the air traffic control tower and anyone that thinks getting a job in ATC requires you to be the best of the best is kidding themselves. You need a handful of GCSEs!

What you do need though is training and regular testing to make sure you're up to the job. Not sure I buy in to the idea that ATC in the US is a free for all and anyone in a minority can just turn up and give it a go.

People only give a shit about safety when there's an incident. Look at the rail strikes here, numerous posts that there shouldn't be strikes which would have meant waving through the lowering of safety standards.

 

[Otis]

at the risk of sounding a bit over the top, yes we do, and there are some horrible parallels in terms of a dictatorial leader banging on about becoming the ultimate power blaming all problems on minorities and foreigners, and that concept becoming more & more prevalent.

Andrew Tate?

 

[Otis]

Going for a beer and a round of golf with him at the weekend so will show him.

Little whisper in your ear before you turn up.

He cheats.

 

[shmmeee]

My office used to be in the air traffic control tower and anyone that thinks getting a job in ATC requires you to be the best of the best is kidding themselves. You need a handful of GCSEs!

What you do need though is training and regular testing to make sure you're up to the job. Not sure I buy in to the idea that ATC in the US is a free for all and anyone in a minority can just turn up and give it a go.

People only give a shit about safety when there's an incident. Look at the rail strikes here, numerous posts that there shouldn't be strikes which would have meant waving through the lowering of safety standards.

This is ultimately why we can’t ever deregulate here.

Nice one Dim Dom. Can't wait for the day when you put together a coherent well researched comment on here that is based on truth. You lap up the MAGA Trump stuff its very funny like a little fan boy. Do you have a poster of him in his bedroom that you tug yourself off to each night? Please go to university and hopefully don't have children until you have dome so. The world will be a nicer place without nasty, loveless, racist, mysoginistic gammons like you spreading extremism and hate about. FRO.

he’s a teenager isn’t he? Embarrassing if not tbh.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

In what way has your life been impacted. What happened last time he was in town?

Second question - it’s different he has more power than before without the same checks and balances

Great question about how has my life been impacted

Probably around having to defend social justice or compassion or kindness with friends especially church friends

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

This is ultimately why we can’t ever deregulate here.


he’s a teenager isn’t he? Embarrassing if not tbh.

I'll let him off then, teenagers minds are warped easily and I was no different I'm ashamed to say. Long time ago tho and before 2 stints at uni when you actually learn about importance of evidence and facts not tub thumping anecdotes and conjecture.

 

[Grendel]

I'll let him off then, teenagers minds are warped easily and I was no different I'm ashamed to say. Long time ago tho and before 2 stints at uni when you actually learn about importance of evidence and facts not tub thumping anecdotes and conjecture.

When I was at uni Charles I remember attending a union gathering as the rep on my course.

There was a motion to raise money for striking miners (we were in UDM territory) to come and picket. I suggested a counter motion to do one for the police. I made some new friends that day.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

When I was at uni Charles I remember attending a union gathering as the rep on my course.

There was a motion to raise money for striking miners (we were in UDM territory) to come and picket. I suggested a counter motion to do one for the police. I made some new friends that day.

Brilliant

 

[PVA]

When I was at uni Charles I remember attending a union gathering as the rep on my course.

There was a motion to raise money for striking miners (we were in UDM territory) to come and picket. I suggested a counter motion to do one for the police. I made some new friends that day.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Pointing out objectively stupid things he has done in this context isn’t derangement it’s fact. He wants to dismantle the regulatory state-in the context of aviation that will make accidents more likely.

It's got nothing to do with this incident.

Everyone is quick to get outraged, and whilst I agree his comments are unsavoury and inappropriate at this time, if you want to challenge stupid policies about aviation then you also need to look at some from the last few years that would have potentially had time to make an impact.

You can't use this moment to get mad about Trump and his policies and not objectively look at what's happened in the past which is potentially highly relatable. It makes you look ignorant and driven by nothing other than your hatred for Trump.

 

[Grendel]

Brilliant

The funny thing is - other than the total nonsense budget attack on business - I find myself back to the future with a Thatcherite chancellor

 

[shmmeee]

@Sky Blue Pete

Would be interested in your take on the theological “ladder of love” arguments taking place randomly between JD Vance and Rory Stewart right now.

 

[Grendel]

I think @shmmeee looks different to that

 

[Grendel]

My office used to be in the air traffic control tower and anyone that thinks getting a job in ATC requires you to be the best of the best is kidding themselves. You need a handful of GCSEs!

What you do need though is training and regular testing to make sure you're up to the job. Not sure I buy in to the idea that ATC in the US is a free for all and anyone in a minority can just turn up and give it a go.

People only give a shit about safety when there's an incident. Look at the rail strikes here, numerous posts that there shouldn't be strikes which would have meant waving through the lowering of safety standards.

Years ago I knew someone in ATC who was epileptic which did surprise me

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It's got nothing to do with this incident.

Everyone is quick to get outraged, and whilst I agree his comments are unsavoury and inappropriate at this time, if you want to challenge stupid policies about aviation then you also need to look at some from the last few years that would have potentially had time to make an impact.

You can't use this moment to get mad about Trump and his policies and not objectively look at what's happened in the past which is potentially highly relatable. It makes you look ignorant and driven by nothing other than your hatred for Trump.

What are those?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Why?
Presume they are under medication and there was a process in place that meant there was no single point of failure

Years ago I knew someone in ATC who was epileptic which did surprise me

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

What are those?

The has been a real problem with staffing of ATC centres, which has coincided with an alarming rise in near-misses at US airports. There are many articles online speaking about it and saying that an accident was going to happen the way things were going.

The thing Trump is on about is genuine, as you've seen very qualified ATC operators turned away because of the colour of their skin (they were white). This goes back some way, and some of the policies have since been overturned. There is actually a lawsuit representing around 3000 ATC controllers who were rejected, and ironically that is exactly the same number CNN (the biggest Trump critics of all) say the US is short of.

There were some examples of the FAA temporarily putting the brakes on hiring so it could replace 'race-blind hiring rules' with a 'Biographical Assessment' stratagem designed to hire more minorities. The criteria to hire ATC staff changed dramatically, as the questionnaire sought irrelevant information. By contrast, holding a pilot’s license — a major advantage for a controller — was worth next to no merit. And having valuable experience as an air traffic controller in the military was actually worth no points at all on the assessment.

I'm not saying if this is related to what happened or not, it's far too early to say - which is why what he said was stupid and insensitive. If you are going to have a go at Trump (and I certainly agree some of his ideas here are wrong) then there should be a wider level of challenge, as there is reason to be objective about these things above. There shouldn't be any compromise when it comes to things like air safety.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The has been a real problem with staffing of ATC centres, which has coincided with an alarming rise in near-misses at US airports. There are many articles online speaking about it and saying that an accident was going to happen the way things were going.

The thing Trump is on about is genuine, as you've seen very qualified ATC operators turned away because of the colour of their skin (they were white). This goes back some way, and some of the policies have since been overturned. There is actually a lawsuit representing around 3000 ATC controllers who were rejected, and ironically that is exactly the same number CNN (the biggest Trump critics of all) say the US is short of.

There were some examples of the FAA temporarily putting the brakes on hiring so it could replace 'race-blind hiring rules' with a 'Biographical Assessment' stratagem designed to hire more minorities. The criteria to hire ATC staff changed dramatically, as the questionnaire sought irrelevant information. By contrast, holding a pilot’s license — a major advantage for a controller — was worth next to no merit. And having valuable experience as an air traffic controller in the military was actually worth no points at all on the assessment.

I'm not saying if this is related to what happened or not, it's far too early to say - which is why what he said was stupid and insensitive. If you are going to have a go at Trump (and I certainly agree some of his ideas here are wrong) then there should be a wider level of challenge, as there is reason to be objective about these things above. There shouldn't be any compromise when it comes to things like air safety.

Thanks for the reply

 

[RegTheDonk]

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Just to be clear on the timeline:

Jan 20: Trump fires the head of the FAA

Jan 21: Trump freezes hiring for air traffic controllers

Jan 22: Trump disbands the Aviation Safety Advisory Committee

Jan 28: Trump issues a retirement demand to existing ATC employees

Jan 29: First mid air collision in the US for 16 years.

So whose fault is it?

Are you saying that within 9 days the accident is a direct result of Trumps actions?