Im posting Something positive about frank lampard (12 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

I get this, but I think anyone with even a slight interest in football could surely understand there were massive mitigating circumstances in his last two managerial stints

Possibly but when you consider the immediate effect of dyche and now moyes at Everton?

He maybe was a bit too inexperienced for such a role

 

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[Sky Blue Goblin]

Possibly but when you consider the immediate effect of dyche and now moyes at Everton?

He maybe was a bit too inexperienced for such a role

If you look at Dyche he had a very similar win rate to Lampard in the end. Lampard picked an awful job he didn’t have the experience for. It has done him the would of good to develop

 

[Evo1883]

If you look at Dyche he had a very similar win rate to Lampard in the end. Lampard picked an awful job he didn’t have the experience for. It has done him the would of good to develop

Winning 1 in 12 at chelsea is also awful however you spin it

Dyche 31% lampard 27 % both not great but shows how bad lampard was there .. inexperienced and shouldn't have took the job

 

[alexccfc99]

Possibly but when you consider the immediate effect of dyche and now moyes at Everton?

He maybe was a bit too inexperienced for such a role

Yes, but I also wouldn't dispute that Dyche and Moyes are better managers than Lampard

I always think with his first Chelsea stint it was a bit of a hiding to nothing

He is Mr Chelsea Football Club and of course he wanted to manage them, but he was offered a job he couldn't turn down yet wasn't ready for

 

[Evo1883]

Yes, but I also wouldn't dispute that Dyche and Moyes are better managers than Lampard

I always think with his first Chelsea stint it was a bit of a hiding to nothing

He is Mr Chelsea Football Club and of course he wanted to manage them, but he was offered a job he couldn't turn down yet wasn't ready for

He did a reasonably good job in his first stint tbh and at derby

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Winning 1 in 12 at chelsea is also awful however you spin it

Dyche 31% lampard 27 % both not great but shows how bad lampard was there .. inexperienced and shouldn't have took the job

Oh you can’t spin the Chelsea apart from he should have known better than joining them as it was batshit. I’d of thought a more experienced manager would have got more out of them.

Was just limiting to Everton looking worse than it was imo considering they had something like 9 managers in 8 years at that point. Not all managers could be that awful.

 

[PVA]

My issue with Lampard was that he didn't improve any team he managed -

He took Derby from 6th to 6th
He took Chelsea from 3rd to 4th
He took Everton from 16th to 19th

Clearly he has improved our league position, considerably, so fair play to him and long may it continue.

 

[Lamps]

I was a bit worried about the Lampard appointment mainly because of what would happen if our results didn't improve. It was always going to be difficult because of who he replaced.

Things didn't start that well but once he sorted out our defence, helped by putting Dovin in goal, our season has totally changed. We've only lost 2 league games this year so far. One we had the lead at 90 minutes and the other was 0-2 against Leeds. They are flying and scored 11 goals without conceding in the league games either side of ours.

The big thing for me other than the recent results is the togetherness is back and Lampard is enjoying his time with us. I hope we get to keep him for at least another season whatever happens in this one.

 

[Captain Dart]

You could argue that Lampard's previous managerial experience means he is now much better at his job and we're benefiting from the lessons he learned in the past.

I remember thinking Robins had a very mediocre record when he became manager here for the second time. That turned out OK didn't it.

 

[Nick]

Pages of people trying to kid themselves that they statistically analysed Lampard's history and watched every game he took, which is why they didn't want him and not just because they were losing their heads about Robins and thought Doug was mates with his family.

 

[Sick Boy]

I think some of Paxmans drivel is as bad. Always interesting to see who likes these posts as well

"These are good players. The coaching has been off since it was changed early in the year. Robin's had problems with it and Vivash clearly had issues. You can see players are not sure of their roles. The Vivash/Robin's combination would have continued their good work and had us top six. Where did it go wrong since an FA Cup semi final with the same players? Lampard is not the answer but Doug King wanted to set the club up like a good salesman with huge improvements around the place, track suit wearing coaches and fitness guru's. The problem is you play on a footbal pitch and if you let the players think they just have to turn up then inevitably they are found wanting. Back to basics, with a good manager is what we need and lampard imo will never be it. If you are given a brilliant start after 4 minutes and then even missed easy chances to put the game out of sight then find yourself 4-1 down is a sign of a lack of control and basic coaching ability. Like so many great players they are hopeless coaches. Do we still have Robin's and Vivash's numbers? I see those 27k gates dropping like a stone now...great business King!"

"Just listened to Lampard's press interview. Again what a mess. A word salad from a guy who has nothing to say. The interviewer was leading him along and he fell into it each time. He never once made reference to what they are doing to rectify the last performance, as if he were just filling in the blanks. He may be a nice bloke and a legend to many of us but he does not sound like someone who knows what to do. He just doesn't seem to be in command of anything. You don't just nod and agree with the interviewer on every point? I take no pleasure in having a go at him, but I'm not getting filled with optimism atm."

Come on, it's Paxman.

 

[shmmeee]

Pages of people trying to kid themselves that they statistically analysed Lampard's history and watched every game he took, which is why they didn't want him and not just because they were losing their heads about Robins and thought Doug was mates with his family.

His record is pretty much what he’s doing here. Tactically poor, reliant on an outstanding performer (in this case Dovin) and not massively improving the teams situation while spending a fair amount (£4m on Grimes). You don’t need to watch every game there’s this thing called the internet where people who have sit around discussing them all day.

I know we’re in a purple patch so you’re not allowed to say it and it’s crowing season and I will still change my avatar if we’re still in this form at the end of the month, but we are 10th with a squad that finished 9th last season. Let’s have a little perspective.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

My issue with Lampard was that he didn't improve any team he managed -

He took Derby from 6th to 6th
He took Chelsea from 3rd to 4th
He took Everton from 16th to 19th

Clearly he has improved our league position, considerably, so fair play to him and long may it continue.

I disagree with this approach tbh. Football changes year to year. With the first two teams he had to build new teams to get them to compete.

For Derby, there were the sixith best team in the league according to the bookies and he got them there and then to a play off final. The improvement is building that team to compete due to the outgoings and incomings you expect in the championship.

Similarly to Chelsea where they were predicted 9th at the start due to the embargo and the losses to key players and he managed to push a lot of youth through and got them to 4th and a FA cup final (he’s key player in Mount was in the championship the previous year).

 

[mmttww]

Tactically poor...

I think you're being harsh here. Yeah, the high line got punished vs. pace against Leeds but that's a change he made which has made a clear difference, not just picking Dovin. You're ignoring a few things.

He's also got us pressing much more effectively - see MVE for the corner we scored from on Tue, or the pressure that led to Assante's goal vs. Swansea. He's also using three different shapes now.

 

[Grendel]

His record is pretty much what he’s doing here. Tactically poor, reliant on an outstanding performer (in this case Dovin) and not massively improving the teams situation while spending a fair amount (£4m on Grimes). You don’t need to watch every game there’s this thing called the internet where people who have sit around discussing them all day.

I know we’re in a purple patch so you’re not allowed to say it and it’s crowing season and I will still change my avatar if we’re still in this form at the end of the month, but we are 10th with a squad that finished 9th last season. Let’s have a little perspective.

Even by your standards this is desperate.

I think you will find that the last manager succeeded in this league due to outstanding performers.

You really are a clown

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Winning 1 in 12 at chelsea is also awful however you spin it

Dyche 31% lampard 27 % both not great but shows how bad lampard was there .. inexperienced and shouldn't have took the job

He should never have gone back, it was a poisoned chalice. Taking the job as an interim was terrible for his authority, Lampard touched on that on his podcast on Diary of a CEO. Why were the players going get behind a manager who was only going to be there for 12 games? Especially the players on the periphery of their massive squad who’d been chopped and changed by multiple managers.

Reading between the lines, Lampard had said it was a good experience to deal with as a young manager but a scenario he wouldn’t put himself in again.

On Dyche, for such a highly rate manager to only have a 4% better win-rate than an inexperienced Lampard doesn’t make him a terrible manager. If we had the opportunity to hire Dyche, you’d be stupid not to. He wouldn’t take the job because he’s a good Premiership manager for bottom half teams.

It’s potentially made him a better manager when he took our job on.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

His record is pretty much what he’s doing here. Tactically poor, reliant on an outstanding performer (in this case Dovin) and not massively improving the teams situation while spending a fair amount (£4m on Grimes). You don’t need to watch every game there’s this thing called the internet where people who have sit around discussing them all day.

I know we’re in a purple patch so you’re not allowed to say it and it’s crowing season and I will still change my avatar if we’re still in this form at the end of the month, but we are 10th with a squad that finished 9th last season. Let’s have a little perspective.

Sorry but this team being a couple of points of the play off is a massive improvement of where we were when he took over.

Also on the outstanding performance of Dovin, let’s not forget where he was at before Lampard and his team came in. It’s managers jobs to get those performances out of them which has been his best quality here.

Understand people will be overly optimistic right now and that’s fine to call out, but also fair to say he’s doing well

 

[Nick]

His record is pretty much what he’s doing here. Tactically poor, reliant on an outstanding performer (in this case Dovin) and not massively improving the teams situation while spending a fair amount (£4m on Grimes). You don’t need to watch every game there’s this thing called the internet where people who have sit around discussing them all day.

I know we’re in a purple patch so you’re not allowed to say it and it’s crowing season and I will still change my avatar if we’re still in this form at the end of the month, but we are 10th with a squad that finished 9th last season. Let’s have a little perspective.

Fucking hell.

I think you are proof as to why you don't listen to other club's fans.

It's just delusional, the same as your rants about him not being bothered etc. It's weird and just proves my point.

 

[Lamps]

His record is pretty much what he’s doing here. Tactically poor, reliant on an outstanding performer (in this case Dovin) and not massively improving the teams situation while spending a fair amount (£4m on Grimes). You don’t need to watch every game there’s this thing called the internet where people who have sit around discussing them all day.

I know we’re in a purple patch so you’re not allowed to say it and it’s crowing season and I will still change my avatar if we’re still in this form at the end of the month, but we are 10th with a squad that finished 9th last season. Let’s have a little perspective.

Tactically poor? He got a losing side to start winning games by sorting out the defence.

Reliant on an outstanding performer? You mean players like Wright and EMC that Robins had but got injured so Lampard didn't have them to choose from?

Spending a fair amount? 3.5m to 4m for Grimes. His only signing. We won the games without him. And best of all Grimes doesn't fit in with the signings we have been making. How much did we spend on players before Lampard took over?

Yes we're in 10th with a squad that was 9th last season. We also added EMC to it. But where were we when Lampard took over? We were not in 10th and within touching distance of the playoffs.

I had my doubts about Lampard. I have had doubts about most of our new managers over the years. But I'm very happy with the way things are going.

 

[Evo1883]

He should never have gone back, it was a poisoned chalice. Taking the job as an interim was terrible for his authority, Lampard touched on that on his podcast on Diary of a CEO. Why were the players going get behind a manager who was only going to be there for 12 games? Especially the players on the periphery of their massive squad who’d been chopped and changed by multiple managers.

Reading between the lines, Lampard had said it was a good experience to deal with as a young manager but a scenario he wouldn’t put himself in again.

On Dyche, for such a highly rate manager to only have a 4% better win-rate than an inexperienced Lampard doesn’t make him a terrible manager. If we had the opportunity to hire Dyche, you’d be stupid not to. He wouldn’t take the job because he’s a good Premiership manager for bottom half teams.

It’s potentially made him a better manager when he took our job on.

He's doing well here , all I care about tbh

 

[mmttww]

Understand people will be overly optimistic right now and that’s fine to call out, but also fair to say he’s doing well

This is about right. Not mutually exclusive things.

 

[shmmeee]

well my work here is done

 

[clint van damme]

His record is pretty much what he’s doing here. Tactically poor, reliant on an outstanding performer (in this case Dovin) and not massively improving the teams situation while spending a fair amount (£4m on Grimes). You don’t need to watch every game there’s this thing called the internet where people who have sit around discussing them all day.

I know we’re in a purple patch so you’re not allowed to say it and it’s crowing season and I will still change my avatar if we’re still in this form at the end of the month, but we are 10th with a squad that finished 9th last season. Let’s have a little perspective.

We're not reliant on Dovin. Only a few elite teams don't concede big chances in games in the championship, (Burnley being one).

When it happens we now have a keeper who's competent to deal with it more often than not.

Used the example of Leeds, we tested their keeper and he had to pull off one outstanding save, that's what he there for. So even the best team give their opponents big opportunities, it's the nature of the league.

 

[TomRad85]

well my work here is done

I don't even know if you believe what you are writing at this point on this subject
Its good for engagement though, Nick should be thanking you really.

 

[mmttww]

well my work here is done

You cosplaying as a WUM? New Year, New You?

 

[shmmeee]

I don't even know if you believe what you are writing at this point on this subject
Its good for engagement though, Nick should be thanking you really.

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I think we’ve been OK. Results have been great recently but the football has generally been poor. I don’t think we’d have stayed where we were, this squad is a midtable squad IMO and would have ended up 8-14th or so and that’s still where I expect us to end up. I think Dovins form has been the biggest change, we’re now not going behind or letting in equalisers where we were before, but do we look better generally? No IMO.

I’m disappointed at his inability to set us up or get us motivated for games against better opposition or get us playing any particular style of football. His subs are bizarre as are his tactics and team selections at times. I still don’t see him overachieving with us. People talking about him getting poached by the PL and being some genius manager are losing the plot IMO.

 

[TomRad85]

Little column A little column B.

I think we’ve been OK. Results have been great recently but the football has generally been poor. I don’t think we’d have stayed where we were, this squad is a midtable squad IMO and would have ended up 8-14th or so and that’s still where I expect us to end up. I think Dovins form has been the biggest change, we’re now not going behind or letting in equalisers where we were before, but do we look better generally? No IMO.

I’m disappointed at his inability to set us up or get us motivated for games against better opposition or get us playing any particular style of football. His subs are bizarre as are his tactics and team selections at times. I still don’t see him overachieving with us. People talking about him getting poached by the PL and being some genius manager are losing the plot IMO.

Agree to disagree, Robins was not getting us anywhere near 8th, maybe not even 14th. Bloke was finished here, an unfortunate end but all good things come to an end.

As someone said, Lampard has won as many games in 6 as Robins had in the last 26 or something outrageous like that. I didn;t know it was that bad but i did feel pissed off almost every week so i'm not surprised. We've also seen individual improvements in players, we don't rely on Haji Wright and we don't concede mountains of comical goals. We are better and things are looking good for us.

 

[Nick]

I’m disappointed at his inability to set us up or get us motivated for games against better opposition or get us playing any particular style of football. His subs are bizarre as are his tactics and team selections at times. I still don’t see him overachieving with us. People talking about him getting poached by the PL and being some genius manager are losing the plot IMO.

I can't tell if you're actually being serious with the rest of it?

Just strange and you're not the only one who has gone extra weird since Robins went and Lampard came in.

 

[clint van damme]

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I think we’ve been OK. Results have been great recently but the football has generally been poor. I don’t think we’d have stayed where we were, this squad is a midtable squad IMO and would have ended up 8-14th or so and that’s still where I expect us to end up. I think Dovins form has been the biggest change, we’re now not going behind or letting in equalisers where we were before, but do we look better generally? No IMO.

I’m disappointed at his inability to set us up or get us motivated for games against better opposition or get us playing any particular style of football. His subs are bizarre as are his tactics and team selections at times. I still don’t see him overachieving with us. People talking about him getting poached by the PL and being some genius manager are losing the plot IMO.

After a fairly turgid Christmas/New year I wanted him to tighten up at the back and be more pragmatic. He's done that and we're now in the play off shake up.

The football isn't great, but nows not the time to start trying to turn us into 1970s Ajax.
I'd rather concentrate on grinding out results and trying to crack the top 6.

 

[TomRad85]

I can't tell if you're actually being serious with the rest of it?

Just strange and you're not the only one who has gone extra weird since Robins went and Lampard came in.

At least he's open with it and i think there's an element of trolling which i respect. A couple of others are just snide with it, previously half decent posters for the most part too.

 

[Balli001]

Little column A little column B.

I think we’ve been OK. Results have been great recently but the football has generally been poor. I don’t think we’d have stayed where we were, this squad is a midtable squad IMO and would have ended up 8-14th or so and that’s still where I expect us to end up. I think Dovins form has been the biggest change, we’re now not going behind or letting in equalisers where we were before, but do we look better generally? No IMO.

I’m disappointed at his inability to set us up or get us motivated for games against better opposition or get us playing any particular style of football. His subs are bizarre as are his tactics and team selections at times. I still don’t see him overachieving with us. People talking about him getting poached by the PL and being some genius manager are losing the plot IMO.

As a caveat Lampard hasnt had Wright available at all, limited use of Mason-Clark and Sheaf and had to sort out all the defensive issues. I dont consider motivation an issue just we have played 2 big sides since he arrived and Leeds and Ipswich are premier league level teams. In the games either side of us Leeds have scored 11 without reply. If we had our actual first choice 11 available im sure performances would improve to match the results.

 

[covcity4life]

Let's not pretend the football was free flowing prior to lampard coming in either btw

 

[shmmeee]

After a fairly turgid Christmas/New year I wanted him to tighten up at the back and be more pragmatic. He's done that and we're now in the play off shake up.

The football isn't great, but nows not the time to start trying to turn us into 1970s Ajax.
I'd rather concentrate on grinding out results and trying to crack the top 6.

Can’t argue with the recent results. I just worry that when he comes up against better teams he’s clueless on how to set us up and that’s kind of needed to win the play offs. Not that I think we’ll make the play offs, but maybe. Maybe I got to used to winning those kinds of games, but it feels necessary for a team of our means to get where we want.

 

[TomRad85]

Let's not pretend the football was free flowing prior to lampard coming in either btw

It was for the opposition cutting us to ribbons every week.

 

[TomRad85]

Can’t argue with the recent results. I just worry that when he comes up against better teams he’s clueless on how to set us up and that’s kind of needed to win the play offs. Not that I think we’ll make the play offs, but maybe. Maybe I got to used to winning those kinds of games, but it feels necessary for a team of our means to get where we want.

He's beaten several teams in the play off hunt in the last few hasn't he?