Championship thread 24/25! (31 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

That's why he won't buy the football club, he knows how much it would cost to buy the club and how much it would cost to buy players, contracts etc.

Look at Manchester United apparently one of the richest clubs in the world and yet their £350m in debt.

Im no expert on their situation but I think that could mainly be down to the way the Glazers financed their take over.

 

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[shmmeee]

Does seem funny that we’ll see say £2m a year as “unsustainable” then go and spend that on a couple of players. Would love to know what the definition is. Championship football is unsustainable full stop, the aim is to get out of it.

 

[David O'Day]

That's why he won't buy the football club, he knows how much it would cost to buy the club and how much it would cost to buy players, contracts etc.

Look at Manchester United apparently one of the richest clubs in the world and yet their £350m in debt.

it's also why he would not raise the rent to a level we would ultimately see as unsustainable, anyone who thinks he would just raise it to a level we can't afford is frankly wrong. We have other admittedly long term options but no one else is going to take over the sporting lease at the arena.

 

[Grendel]

it's also why he would not raise the rent to a level we would ultimately see as unsustainable, anyone who thinks he would just raise it to a level we can't afford is frankly wrong. We have other admittedly long term options but no one else is going to take over the sporting lease at the arena.

They claim fairly publicly that hosting the club every game loses them money - and we have a Licence only - a Lease would be far more expensive

 

[David O'Day]

Im no expert on their situation but I think that could mainly be down to the way the Glazers financed their take over.

united aren't 350m in debt








It's more like 1bn in debt:

 

[Lamps]

That's why he won't buy the football club, he knows how much it would cost to buy the club and how much it would cost to buy players, contracts etc.

Look at Manchester United apparently one of the richest clubs in the world and yet their £350m in debt.

Manure wasted more than 350m on players not good enough. Their wage bill is astronomical.

Nobody knows what Ashley has planned. He might just want to make money out of us. He might charge a higher rent to help get us on the cheap. But there's more money available for getting a Championship side to the Prem than receiving rent. And he has the funds to do it. Could be a vanity project for him that could make him a lot of money. Doesn't mean he is interested though.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Ashley is a business man. He bought the stadium to make money. A stadium isn't cheap to run. He will expect a decent return for the outlay. He won't care how much it affects us as long as we can still afford to pay.

If he has any interest in the club the less affordable the better for him (I have no idea if he is interested or not)

 

[Lamps]

If he has any interest in the club the less affordable the better for him (I have no idea if he is interested or not)

He is the master of getting things on the cheap. That's why I wouldn't discount either buying or not buying our club.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

The CBS could be a loss leader for Frasers to get the go ahead to move their headquarters to Ansty

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Does seem funny that we’ll see say £2m a year as “unsustainable” then go and spend that on a couple of players. Would love to know what the definition is. Championship football is unsustainable full stop, the aim is to get out of it.

You have to wonder whether the club receives any share of F&B, parking, etc. If the rent is increased to let say £2m+ to use your example, with no additional revenue from the stadium apart from ticketing and board sponsorship that poses a fairly sizeable problem.

 

[blunted]

Was speaking to Dave boddy about that. He genuinely felt that in yok and Hamer we had two players of genuine top quality and that we could make a better fist of it than Luton
Who knows eh

Really surprised a PL club never went in for Hamer this season even for £15K.

 

[David O'Day]

Really surprised a PL club never went in for Hamer this season even for £15K.

15k would be a bargain to be fair

 

[mmttww]

Really surprised a PL club never went in for Hamer

I think it's hard to stay in that league without taking your fitness seriously tbf. Will always hold him back.

 

[blunted]

I think it's more that the CEO got very excited about their prospects of returning to the PL that in August it was announced their stadium capacity was increased to 25k from about 17.5k. The whole project is earmarked to cost around £450m.

Likely not all their money but a sizeable chunk will be. There's also the issue of how they're going to fill it when their average gate over the past 5 years (excluding the PL season and Covid) has sat around 10k.

Fair play to them but it does feel like they've bitten off far more than they can chew.

Arsene Wenger always said the drop off of challenging and winning titles was a result of funding the new stadium.

 

[blunted]

I think it's hard to stay in that league without taking your fitness seriously tbf. Will always hold him back.

Down the boozer too much?

 

[mmttww]

Down the boozer too much?

Some of that. I remember in pre-season 22/23, two players in the squad gave each other a hint and the other has to guess which player it related to. One said, "hates the gym!", and the other laughed and said "Gus!". He's football fit, but he's not an athlete.

 

[oldfiver]

There were rumours once they bought the stadium, they would then go for the club but never happened

The FG plan was to acquire the Arena and then pick up CCFC, a club allegedly about to go broke and no ground of its own
Then DK stepped in and paid who knows what for the Club and allegedly cleared all its debts on the presumption he would get the stadium
So who is in the driving seat?

 

[robbiethemole]

Derby sign Kemar Roofe 32, who hasn't played a competitive game for 9 months!!!!! He should fit in well there.

 

[oldfiver]

You do realise the club has absolutely zero leverage don't you.

There's no option of playing elsewhere, the vast majority of clubs turned us down last time and Birmingham only took us in because we were willing to pay £1m worth of rent. The CBS is it so that's where we'll play.

FG are more than entitled to increase the rent to whatever they see fit. As mentioned, if they're seeing the club attract an average gate of 26k, sell players for 7 figure windfalls and bring in names such Monzo as sponsors, there's a perception that the club can afford it.

UoW refused to discuss with DK
The EFL said they had to play in Coventry and refused to sanction any games ( even on a temporary basis) ouside the rdius
So where will they go and how long will it take to set up

 

[fernandopartridge]

Derby sign Kemar Roofe 32, who hasn't played a competitive game for 9 months!!!!! He should fit in well there.

No different to Patterson then

 

[fernandopartridge]

The FG plan was to acquire the Arena and then pick up CCFC, a club allegedly about to go broke and no ground of its own
Then DK stepped in and paid who knows what for the Club and allegedly cleared all its debts on the presumption he would get the stadium
So who is in the driving seat?

How do you know that was the plan?

It might still be, they've got an opportunity in 3 years or so I suppose

 

[Skybluedownunder]

Really wish we would have got him on loan in Jan

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[alexccfc99]

* Not Championship but couldn’t be arsed to start a separate thread. Blues have managed to get to Wembley in the tin pot cup, their first visit in 14 years.

Meh, I shan't stoop myself to calling it the tinpot club purely based off the fact if we hadn't have won it, or at least made the final the rise that followed may not have happened

They'll probably take as many as we did down there (Although it is just us who get accused of being daytrippers) and like us it'll probably end up being the launchpad for them to go on and achieve bigger and better things

Hope they get beat though, wankers

 

[TomRad85]

Meh, I shan't stoop myself to calling it the tinpot club purely based off the fact if we hadn't have won it, or at least made the final the rise that followed may not have happened

They'll probably take as many as we did down there (Although it is just us who get accused of being daytrippers) and like us it'll probably end up being the launchpad for them to go on and achieve bigger and better things

Hope they get beat though, wankers

Weird club Blues, never liked their fans, the new American owner is cringe as fuck, but he could be good for them long term...
2 things i can't quite figure out though, i'm still not sure from the rules if the spending this season will catch up with them/hold them back spending more next season or 2?
Also are they actually serious about this new stadium? As it seems like an awful idea. The core support simply isn't there to warrant a bigger stadium, would be a complete white elephant. Extending the small stand at St Andrews, if anything at all, would be a better idea.
From the outside it seems most of what the owners are trying to do is to the benefit of their property portfolio, but lets see. Still a weird club with weird fans and weird owners, whether it works or not.

 

[alexccfc99]

Weird club Blues, never liked their fans, the new American owner is cringe as fuck, but he could be good for them long term...
2 things i can't quite figure out though, i'm still not sure from the rules if the spending this season will catch up with them/hold them back spending more next season or 2?
Also are they actually serious about this new stadium? As it seems like an awful idea. The core support simply isn't there to warrant a bigger stadium, would be a complete white elephant. Extending the small stand at St Andrews, if anything at all, would be a better idea.
From the outside it seems most of what the owners are trying to do is to the benefit of their property portfolio, but lets see. Still a weird club with weird fans and weird owners, whether it works or not.

I can't say I like their fans at all, I always try and separate the fact the club were good enough to let us play there from the fact I think their fans are a bunch of arrogant fuckers who constantly look down upon us as a club and a City despite the fact I think they are at best, marginally bigger than us - But that is just the Brummie "I'm alright Jack" attitude to the rest of the midlands they have always had

The fans weren't as welcoming to us playing there as they have you believe either and they are always trouble whenever we have them at the CBS as well

That being said I do think they are headed for better days under their new owners, whether the stadium happens or happens to the full extent of the proposals remains to be seen and I think depends on a lot of investment into B'ham's public transport system, which as Brum Council are skint their owners are going to have to fork out for from their own pockets or hope for funding from central government which they have asked for (You can guarantee if it was anywhere else in the midlands they wouldn't get a penny)

They will do well next season and I can see them going up again after a years consolidation in the Championship but talk of them being at the top table of English football is nonsensical, they will never be big enough for that but I do think they can turn into a consistent bottom half PL club

 

[TomRad85]

I can't say I like their fans at all, I always try and separate the fact the club were good enough to let us play there from the fact I think their fans are a bunch of arrogant fuckers who constantly look down upon us as a club and a City despite the fact I think they are at best, marginally bigger than us - But that is just the Brummie "I'm alright Jack" attitude to the rest of the midlands they have always had

The fans weren't as welcoming to us playing there as they have you believe either and they are always trouble whenever we have them at the CBS as well

That being said I do think they are headed for better days under their new owners, whether the stadium happens or happens to the full extent of the proposals remains to be seen and I think depends on a lot of investment into B'ham's public transport system, which as Brum Council are skint their owners are going to have to fork out for from their own pockets or hope for funding from central government which they have asked for (You can guarantee if it was anywhere else in the midlands they wouldn't get a penny)

They will do well next season and I can see them going up again after a years consolidation in the Championship but talk of them being at the top table of English football is nonsensical, they will never be big enough for that but I do think they can turn into a consistent bottom half PL club

We'll see, i hope you're wrong as i can't stand them pretty much for the reasons you have stated.

Not sure having a wealthy owner is enough to guarantee that, you still have to get a lot right, and with spending rules in place your recruitment has to be bang on to have a chance of dis-lodging the parachute teams. Their recruitment is obviously more than good enough for League 1, but it'll take a fair bit more than what they have now to get out of this league. Lydon Dykes and the like still signed up for another couple of years isn't going to get you very far.

 

[Mcbean]

We'll see, i hope you're wrong as i can't stand them pretty much for the reasons you have stated.

Not sure having a wealthy owner is enough to guarantee that, you still have to get a lot right, and with spending rules in place your recruitment has to be bang on to have a chance of dis-lodging the parachute teams. Their recruitment is obviously more than good enough for League 1, but it'll take a fair bit more than what they have now to get out of this league. Lydon Dykes and the like still signed up for another couple of years isn't going to get you very far.

And the ground is shit

 

[TomRad85]

Knighthead is a hedge-fund right? They aren't like these Arabs/Russians/Random individual billionaires who can just chuck money at a football club because its their toy. They will want a return on the investment at some point.
Also doesn't that old owner that they all hated still own half the club?
Honestly its just all a bit weird to me. Hope they fall on their faces, probably won't, but a man can hope.

 

[Shannerz]

Birmingham City have a massive chip.on their shoulder due to the fact they're a distant second in their own city.

Tbf, we have a similar chip about Villa, albeit much smaller, and it's lessened as we haven't played them for so long.

 

[SkyBluePower]

Are we not due a Financial update soon?

 

[fernandopartridge]

The £50m funding made available to BCFC from its parent company is for a period of 7 years at an interest rate of 11.90%.

Their new owners are taking a massive gamble I think

 

[TomRad85]

The £50m funding made available to BCFC from its parent company is for a period of 7 years at an interest rate of 11.90%.

Their new owners are taking a massive gamble I think

This is what i need, people who understand this shit to tell me there's a good chance of it going tits up. Thanks mate, made my day.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Can't pretend to understand the machinations of the takeover, appears to be a debt for equity swap or something in relation to its parent companies but the club at the bottom is still indebted to those parents. Hope it goes tits up for them.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

They claim fairly publicly that hosting the club every game loses them money - and we have a Licence only - a Lease would be far more expensive

Not questioning you on this but have you got a link or can you shed any further info on this?

The losing money by hosting games bit, not the licence/lease bit.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

3 teams closely below us in the table, playing tonight.

We're defo going to go down 1 place tonight but could go back to 6th tomorrow with a win at home vs Preston and WBA losing at home to Oxford - or drawing to be fair. Unlikely though.

Still expect us to be 7th tomorrow.