Was Lawrence responsible for our defensive organisation? Was Aled Williams the direct replacement for Dennis Lawrence? If we can get answers for those basic questions then we can start to talk, otherwise it's just fan fiction.
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Yeah, why not get angry at Joe Edwards and Chris Jones instead? Did Lampard bring them in just so they could delegate all defensive responsibilities to the old GK coach?
Nick
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It would be a very weird take if Lampard came in and said "no lads, none of you do anything defensive as that's the goalkeeping coach's job"
Let's face it, none of us know what people really do at Ryton and how in depth things are. It's the same as "Rhys Carr was stood with his hands in his pockets".
It's just people trying to lash out for people to blame for the bad form and eventually Robins being sacked.
Skybluedownunder
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Must be not bad to get a job within the England coaching set up
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SBAndy
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As I see it, and this isn’t borne from outright fact just observation, I think Lawrence was a defensive coach less in term of ‘coach of defenders’ and more an ‘out of possession’ coach. The difference in terms of pressing patterns when he came in was very noticeable. Likewise, I get the impression that Viveash was the ‘in possession’ coach.
Since Lawrence moved on, I would also say it’s noticeable how our pressing patterns have largely disappeared. Clearly I don’t know the remit of the new coaches to understand what they are trying to implement, but safe to say it’s not got through yet. As I’ve said in another thread, I think we want to play a high pressing game eventually but the fitness to carry it out is miles off, so we’re making do for the time being.
Hobo
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You would expect him to know about defensive coaching, but people are saying we fell apart after Lawrence left? It isn't actually true. We fell apart after the drama of an FA Cup Semi Final (and it was Drama!). Most teams lose form after an FA Cup final defeat.
The loss of Lawrence wasn't our only knowledge of defending. Viveash had plenty of knowledge. Too many fans have easy solutions based on the one dimension of their opinion
David O'Day
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Maybe the coach formerly employed by Wolves is actually not bad and just had shite keepers to work with.
Incognitocov
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Good recruitment then.
Seymour_East
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Brighton Sky Blue
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I thought he looked decent before but he looks better now so some credit has to go to the keeper coach.
For all the stick he was getting earlier in the season it's only fair to point out the positives too.
Lampard:
"The corner, I will give credit to the set-piece boys because they work really hard for and against, Aled (Williams) and JD (John Dempster), their work is amazing"
Lampard:
"The corner, I will give credit to the set-piece boys because they work really hard for and against, Aled (Williams) and JD (John Dempster), their work is amazing"
fernandopartridge
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Does Williams get credit for Dovin's improvement?
Potbellypig
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Nope, only time the masses mention him is to criticise. Same with Dr Roberts, see how her name has stopped being mentioned now that we're on a good run?
Gynnsthetonic
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Songs of Praise should of sacked him after his sexting scandal!
Ccfcisparks
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chiefdave
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Dovin is obviously playing brilliantly at the moment. But personally I don't know enough about his play previously to know if this is down to Williams or not.
Offsetting that is that we've had two keepers, in Moore & Collins, who have were both presumably signed to be first choice who deteriorated so much nobody wanted them anywhere near the team. One you could put down to mitigating circumstances but for it to happen twice is highly unusual. Of course we don't know what, if anything, outside of football may have contributed to that so hard to say for sure its Williams fault.
He's been here for 5.5 seasons, we've had two different goalkeepers finish in the Team of the Year in that time period, both of them previously journeymen. We currently have a very promising keeper who's settled in nicely after a somewhat unconvincing start. I don't know which other GK coaches we've had who can say they've done that well?
I know Moore and Collins fell out of form having previously played well, but I think they're playing at a level roughly commensurate with their careers to date.
He's apparently responsible for the set pieces too, and we've been among the best teams in the league with those for the past two seasons.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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According to Lampard, it’s Dempster and Williams together
JSL
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No. He was good as soon as we got him
Calista
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I'm not sure Collins 'deteriorated' - I never really got why people on here seemed to rank him above Wilson in the first place.