Yes.
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Yes.
fernandopartridge
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Let's get him a union jack / stars and stripes half and half scarf
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon
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Time will tell but i'd not be at all surprised if his actions to date have been about getting Ukraine to sign this minerals deal in exchange for continued support, he just needed to demonstrate that he's got something for the US out of the situation. Very difficult to predict, perhaps an example of the 'Mad Man' approach in action.
mmttww
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I don't rate Starmer as a leader, I don't like his policies and I don't think he's handled things well at home since the election.
but how is the outcome of that visit being spun as anything but positive and the result of some smart diplomacy and negotiating?
He's called out Vance's bullsh*t, got Trump rolling back on his dictator comment, and seems to have sorted the tariff b*llocks.
How do you get what you want from a vain narcissist? Appeal to his vanity. If that's a letter from Charlie, what's the issue?
but how is the outcome of that visit being spun as anything but positive and the result of some smart diplomacy and negotiating?
He's called out Vance's bullsh*t, got Trump rolling back on his dictator comment, and seems to have sorted the tariff b*llocks.
How do you get what you want from a vain narcissist? Appeal to his vanity. If that's a letter from Charlie, what's the issue?
The more of Ukraine under Ukrainian control the more minerals he gets I guess, someone probably pointed that out to him.
It's absolutely nuts.
Some people clearly don't grasp basic diplomacy and realpolitik, and then wonder why their guys never get elected.
SIR ERNIE
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I don't think many are spinning the outcome as anything other than positive for the UK but the reality is that Starmer only 'got' what Trump was happy to give him.
Sick Boy
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Ultimately it’ll come down to a choice between the US and the EU.
mmttww
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Did we need or want any more than that, though? Isn't this basically true of all diplomatic situations? If someone's got an example of a PM or President bowling up to another country, and grabbing a bunch of loot just through killer chat or 3D Chess threats, I'll stand corrected.
mmttww
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It was enough for some people when he was making threats all over the shop. His first term was all talk, no trousers. Doubt it'll be any different this time. He doesn't actually want or need big change at home or abroad. It's just rhetoric and distraction while his mates plunder resources domestically and elsewhere. Constant state of terror, and all that.
Grendel
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All Trump wants to do is get the uk and Europe split and trade promises is the way.
mmttww
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He might want that, but it's not up to him. Making threats might get him what he wants. It might not. That's up to UK and EU leaders to figure out.
SIR ERNIE
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The pressure from the German car industry will build very quickly.
Heard that one before.
mmttww
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Probably, and they'll have to figure it out. Don't think it'll be a showstopper, though. Most of those brands have factories in the US, I think, so I'd assume import tariffs don't apply but I'm a bit thick, so that might not be right.
Grendel
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Well he has created a situation where we can look at trade with the US while the eu cans whacked by tariffs
fernandopartridge
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Trump is finally giving what you wanted - large chunks of land handed over to Putin.
Well done, I guess you're the real moral winner!
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The offer of the state visit was an uncomfortable, cringy moment but who cares, it was well received and if it helps with the relationship then so be it. It’s good to be able to use that and it to have at least a perceived positive impact. Biden didn’t appear to have any time for us (too busy focussed on his Irish heritage) so we should use whatever leverage we can.
Whether it moves the dial, who knows, but I’d rather stay on Trumps right side. Whatever people think of him, I’d still rather have closer relationship with the States than the China’s and Russias of this world
Whether it moves the dial, who knows, but I’d rather stay on Trumps right side. Whatever people think of him, I’d still rather have closer relationship with the States than the China’s and Russias of this world
chiefdave
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The state visit thing is a clever move. Plays perfectly into Trumps ego 'nobody has ever had two state visits'
The problem is Trump is very much last person in the room so while he thinks Starmer and the UK are great now that may only last until someone tells him something different.
Look at how quickly we went from him labelling Zelensky a dictator to denying he ever said it.
fernandopartridge
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Next week. Starmer promises to introduce Trump to Billy Butlin and Fred Pontin to discuss his plans for Gaza
The state visit thing is a clever move. Plays perfectly into Trumps ego 'nobody has ever had two state visits'
Exactly. Just look at Trump's face as he opened it up.
It's like giving your kid a biscuit and patting them on the head. Played him like a fiddle, without him realising he's being played.
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon
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Has he actually been played though? He appears to be gettign whatever he wants. The fact that what he wants is probably no good for his country and/or the World generally is of no concern to him as far as i can tell. Acting like a massive pain in the arse seems to be achieving things for him and his crew, which i suppose is a bit easier when you're backed by the most powerful country on Earth.
Well he said no tariffs for the UK and rowed back on his Ukraine comments so it's a bit of give and take at least.
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon
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Indeed, he’s incredibly unpredictable and liable to be on the side of whoever has buttered him up most recently. For now that is the UK, but probably won’t last long!
Grendel
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Mucca Mad Boys
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In military analyst circles, it was believed that even Trump would even escalate support for Ukraine if the Russians were seen to be negotiating in bad faith.
For all the crying people saying he’s in awe of Putin and giving everything he wants… Simply not true and the US strategists can obviously see that it’s not a good thing for Ukraine to capitulate.
Trump has an unorthodox way of diplomacy but given how the post-Cold War consensus is failing, that’s not a bad thing. Peace through strength is the doctrine that got Europe through the Cold War so the Trump administration calling out Europe for neglecting defence spending is bang on the money. This sentiment is equally true when Obama said similar things.
Your desperation to be liked by FP is hilarious
More cringeworthy than Starmer pulling out a letter for the manchild.
Mucca Mad Boys
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US investments in the area ties them to Ukrainian’s long term security. Both the Biden and Trump teams are said to have found Zelensky to be a difficult man to deal with so Trump’s outbursts probably forced him to the negotiation table for the deal they’ve just signed. Biden was a weak president and the world knew it, he didn’t have the strength of conviction to escalate the war and tip in Ukraine’s favour or to broker a peace deal.
Trump, for all his faults, is a successful foreign policy president.
Absolutely bonkers!
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I agree with a a lot of this and whilst I have plenty of reservations about Trump as an individual, am just letting it play out before judging. Who knows the end outcome at the moment. The fact is the previous status quo couldn’t continue ie everyone throwing billions at Ukraine, providing them with just enough to survive but not enough to win
Sick Boy
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The problem was more that they lost faith after the infamous counteroffensive failed.