If we don't get in the top six (5 Viewers)

[dongonzalos]

Personally I think we still have and have always had a squad more than capable of getting in the top six in the league.

However due to us about to have our 4th manager ( including caretakers) in one season that may not happen.

I blame 2 people for this

TF and Wag

 

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[CovisGod]

Not Robins for jumping ship ? I can't see how you can lay all the blame with them when they obviously didn't want him to go

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Personally I think we still have and have always had a squad more than capable of getting in the top six in the league.

However due to us about to have our 4th manager ( including caretakers) in one season that may not happen.

I blame 2 people for this

TF and Wag

Wow, you are tool.

How is the clubs' fault Robins wanted to go!

It wasn't their fault AT and Shaw were fucking shit.

They appointed Robins, the man who took us forward, appointed by TF & Wag, yet, you say this season is their fault. Wow.

 

[hill83]

Ha ha ha ha ha!

 

[craigus12]

Everyone knows that Sisu applied MR for the Huddersfield job without his consent on LinkedIn.

 

[skyblueinBaku]

Personally I think we still have and have always had a squad more than capable of getting in the top six in the league.

However due to us about to have our 4th manager ( including caretakers) in one season that may not happen.

I blame 2 people for this

TF and Wag

Dongo, I usually agree with what you say, but I think your take on this is bizarre.

 

[dongonzalos]

Start of this season we had a squad that could IMO easily get in the top six.

The manager who signed most of those players was given three matches then sacked.

We then lost 5 league matches on the bounce.

A new manager came in.

Did not like some of the players who were signed previously and so did not play them.

He stated that the likes of Cody and Barton are very good players but are unfortunate as they do not suit his style if play.

Robins was a good manager. Added some quality of his own.

However after those 5 defeats it was a massive challenge.

Our squad is that good it was achievable.
Because of the circus created by TF and Wag's decision to sack Thorn. We were in a false position.

MR looks amazing attracts interest.

They should have sacked thorn at the end of last season and them appointed Robins if they were going to do this.

Robins would likely have had us in the top two.

It would have been expected. So he may not have got head hunted so vigorously

So yes I blame them.

 

[hill83]

Again. All theory and speculation.

 

[dongonzalos]

Again. All theory and speculation.

Yes my opinion

 

[hill83]

Yes my opinion

Just saying 'my opinion' doesn't make it right.
The fact is Robins wanted to leave and has left. They wanted to keep him. This isn't their fault. You are wrong, opinion or not.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Start of this season we had a squad that could IMO easily get in the top six.

The manager who signed most of those players was given three matches then sacked.

We then lost 5 league matches on the bounce.

A new manager came in.

Did not like some of the players who were signed previously and so did not play them.

He stated that the likes of Cody and Barton are very good players but are unfortunate as they do not suit his style if play.

Robins was a good manager. Added some quality of his own.

However after those 5 defeats it was a massive challenge.

Our squad is that good it was achievable.
Because of the circus created by TF and Wag's decision to sack Thorn. We were in a false position.

MR looks amazing attracts interest.

They should have sacked thorn at the end of last season and them appointed Robins if they were going to do this.

Robins would likely have had us in the top two.

It would have been expected. So he may not have got head hunted so vigorously

So yes I blame them.

Thorn begged to keep his job, made promises he DID NOT KEEP. He got backing and proved he was simply an inept manager, with or without backing, we made the same mistakes.

Using his system, we lost the next 4, morale was down and MR had to turn it around - which he did, to his credit. We took our time and got the right man, if Shaw wasn't just as inept as his predecessor, we would've picked up points.

We had a top 6 side? Unsure with hindsight, we are struggling with the side we have now, which is better, with Moussa, Bailey, Adams and Clarke. Also McG hadn't signed yet.

Robins has to said Cody OR Barton did not suit is system, Cody said it after he left for Gillingham.

I think the management has been at fault, it was going to be difficult after the start of the inept management, however, even MR has made some mistakes that has cost us - as with every manager at every level.

You would argue, last season wasn't AT's fault as he had no backing etc. perhaps the board thought similar, hence they backed him in the summer after he made broken promises, made the same mistakes and proved he hadn't changed.

If anything, the board has made our season after backing every manger or caretaker we've had!

Management from Thorn and Shaw has cost us, but even MR has made his mistakes.

Management has to take the blame here, not the board, they've done their job.

 

[skyblueinBaku]

Don, you seem to be saying that if MR had been with us from the start of the season (and hence successful for longer) he would have been a less attractive proposition for other clubs seeking a manager. Frankly, I can't see the logic in that argument.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Personally I think we still have and have always had a squad more than capable of getting in the top six in the league.

However due to us about to have our 4th manager ( including caretakers) in one season that may not happen.

I blame 2 people for this

TF and Wag

I blame that chump Andy Thorn

 

[covcity4life]

if you wanna blame them, blame them for sacking AB

bad football or not he would not have got u relegated like thorn did

 

[Sterling Archer]

I quite like this thread because its highlighting the posters who are just so anti-SISU that logic just doesn't apply to them.

How anyone can blame TF for Robins actively seeking to leave the club is beyond me. Utterly bizarre.

 

[dongonzalos]

Don, you seem to be saying that if MR had been with us from the start of the season (and hence successful for longer) he would have been a less attractive proposition for other clubs seeking a manager. Frankly, I can't see the logic in that argument.

People say if did an amazing job turning this club around!

At the start of this season, I think most of the football community were expecting us to come back up.

After those 5 straight defeats they certainly weren't.

They then see MR as doing an amazing job turning the club around.

If he was here at the start if the season he would just be achieving expectations. Nothing special.

 

[dongonzalos]

Thorn begged to keep his job, made promises he DID NOT KEEP. He got backing and proved he was simply an inept manager, with or without backing, we made the same mistakes.

Using his system, we lost the next 4, morale was down and MR had to turn it around - which he did, to his credit. We took our time and got the right man, if Shaw wasn't just as inept as his predecessor, we would've picked up points.

We had a top 6 side? Unsure with hindsight, we are struggling with the side we have now, which is better, with Moussa, Bailey, Adams and Clarke. Also McG hadn't signed yet.

Robins has to said Cody OR Barton did not suit is system, Cody said it after he left for Gillingham.

I think the management has been at fault, it was going to be difficult after the start of the inept management, however, even MR has made some mistakes that has cost us - as with every manager at every level.

You would argue, last season wasn't AT's fault as he had no backing etc. perhaps the board thought similar, hence they backed him in the summer after he made broken promises, made the same mistakes and proved he hadn't changed.

If anything, the board has made our season after backing every manger or caretaker we've had!

Management from Thorn and Shaw has cost us, but even MR has made his mistakes.

Management has to take the blame here, not the board, they've done their job.

The Sky Blues have worked their way through ten managers since they slipped out of the top flight 11 years ago but Fisher stressed: “This is where we need to draw a line in the sand and say enough – enough of firing managers. We need to get out of that habit and, to draw a football analogy, put our foot on the ball, give Andy a chance to reorganise the resources.

“Andy is front and centre stage at the moment and we are going to work with him to make sure that he’s got all the resources lined up.



Read More http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/coventry-city-fc/coventry-city-fc-news/2012/04/24/tim-fisher-to-meet-sisu-over-coventry-city-s-league-one-budget-92746-30828907/2/#ixzz2Ks3umbl6

Now can you show proof of Andy Thorn begging to keep his job that you keep referring to as if it is fact.

You blame Thorn for the 5 defeats after he was sacked comedy gold

 

[covcity4life]

I quite like this thread because its highlighting the posters who are just so anti-SISU that logic just doesn't apply to them.

How anyone can blame TF for Robins actively seeking to leave the club is beyond me. Utterly bizarre.

agreed

but then everyone knew dongon was a gimmick poster anyway

 

[dongonzalos]

agreed

but then everyone knew dongon was a gimmick poster anyway

That hurts....
From such a valued poster.....

 

[dongonzalos]

Don, you seem to be saying that if MR had been with us from the start of the season (and hence successful for longer) he would have been a less attractive proposition for other clubs seeking a manager. Frankly, I can't see the logic in that argument.

"Mark has shown his skill in getting the most from the resources at his disposal, none more so than his recent achievements at Coventry; within five months he has pulled that side away from the League 1 relegation zone and given them a genuine chance of being involved in the promotion mix.

Read More http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/coventry-city-fc/coventry-city-fc-news/2013/02/14/huddersfield-robins-has-skills-to-take-us-forward-92746-32809048/#ixzz2Ks6KSpMD


Do you think he would have been pulling us away from the bottom if he was played in the summer?

 

[torchomatic]

Christ, you do post some absolute rubbish. And I should know as I post quite a bit myself.

How on earth can you blame TF and SW? Is it because you can't bring yourself to blame MR? Because the idea that the Club/SISU/TF/SW didn't do anything wrong will make your brain explode?

SISU not at fault? Does not compute....does not compute...does not compute...bang!

Personally I think we still have and have always had a squad more than capable of getting in the top six in the league.

However due to us about to have our 4th manager ( including caretakers) in one season that may not happen.

I blame 2 people for this

TF and Wag

 

[torchomatic]

FFS, haven't you heard of paragraphs!

Start of this season we had a squad that could IMO easily get in the top six.

The manager who signed most of those players was given three matches then sacked.

We then lost 5 league matches on the bounce.

A new manager came in.

Did not like some of the players who were signed previously and so did not play them.

He stated that the likes of Cody and Barton are very good players but are unfortunate as they do not suit his style if play.

Robins was a good manager. Added some quality of his own.

However after those 5 defeats it was a massive challenge.

Our squad is that good it was achievable.
Because of the circus created by TF and Wag's decision to sack Thorn. We were in a false position.

MR looks amazing attracts interest.

They should have sacked thorn at the end of last season and them appointed Robins if they were going to do this.

Robins would likely have had us in the top two.

It would have been expected. So he may not have got head hunted so vigorously

So yes I blame them.

 

[torchomatic]

HIndsight isn't the same as seeing into the future you know. It's easy to post quote from TF saying "we back Andy" like it's easy to post quotes from Andy saying "I'll turn this round" or from Robins saying "I love the City, I'm not going anywhere" and "I'm happy here". You may as well quote Nick Clegg.

Your continued desperate attempts to blame SISU for everything just makes you look foolish.

The Sky Blues have worked their way through ten managers since they slipped out of the top flight 11 years ago but Fisher stressed: “This is where we need to draw a line in the sand and say enough – enough of firing managers. We need to get out of that habit and, to draw a football analogy, put our foot on the ball, give Andy a chance to reorganise the resources.

“Andy is front and centre stage at the moment and we are going to work with him to make sure that he’s got all the resources lined up.



Read More http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...ue-one-budget-92746-30828907/2/#ixzz2Ks3umbl6

Now can you show proof of Andy Thorn begging to keep his job that you keep referring to as if it is fact.

You blame Thorn for the 5 defeats after he was sacked comedy gold

 

[dongonzalos]

You were having a pop at Robins for saying he loves the club and going

You were also agreeing with Tim regarding the faith shown in Robins with a three year contract

Yes, fair enough managers come and go, they move on to bigger and better things, but the bitter taste from his "loved up" comments will still rankle with some. I agree with Fisher here, their three-year contract showed faith and intent on someone who'd been out the game for a while and was unemployed.

Well Tim said enough of sacking managers he was going to stick by him and then sacked him three league matches later.

Tim speaks shit as much as Robins did.

They all do

SISU are as bad as Robins

 

[torchomatic]

Are you a member of the F.E.S. ?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The Sky Blues have worked their way through ten managers since they slipped out of the top flight 11 years ago but Fisher stressed: “This is where we need to draw a line in the sand and say enough – enough of firing managers. We need to get out of that habit and, to draw a football analogy, put our foot on the ball, give Andy a chance to reorganise the resources.

“Andy is front and centre stage at the moment and we are going to work with him to make sure that he’s got all the resources lined up.



Read More http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/coventry-city-fc/coventry-city-fc-news/2012/04/24/tim-fisher-to-meet-sisu-over-coventry-city-s-league-one-budget-92746-30828907/2/#ixzz2Ks3umbl6

Now can you show proof of Andy Thorn begging to keep his job that you keep referring to as if it is fact.

You blame Thorn for the 5 defeats after he was sacked comedy gold

Morale was low, misled by Thorn and his Assistant, MR said he inherited a team 'bereft of confidence', they were also unfit, Fleck, Cody (the 2 main culprits) and others were unfit (hence why we conceded too many goals)


Justification of his sacking:

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/coventry-city-fc/coventry-city-fc-news/2012/08/30/andy-thorn-sacked-because-he-was-not-getting-best-out-of-squad-he-had-hand-picked-92746-31727437/2/

Just come across it now, and it's what I've been saying.

I can't find the the article that said he made promises etc. but it's somewhere on the Telegraph website, anyway, it's a quote from Waggott or Fisher, so it's unlikely people will believe it anyway.

Thorn was at fault, as was his assistant Shaw, the board have done well this season - for a change.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

If SISU had done things properly in the first place ie- 6 years ago, we wouldn't be having these rows now.:facepalm:

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

If SISU had done things properly in the first place ie- 6 years ago, we wouldn't be having these rows now.:facepalm:

I think you'd have to go back further than that...

Some people have long-term memory loss!

 

[fernandopartridge]

I think you'd have to go back further than that...

Some people have long-term memory loss!

Considering SISU only took over the club 5 years and 2 months ago, how?

 

[blueflint]

I quite like this thread because its highlighting the posters who are just so anti-SISU that logic just doesn't apply to them.

How anyone can blame TF for Robins actively seeking to leave the club is beyond me. Utterly bizarre.

why would a manager of a club on the up us( under robins) want to leave if everything is ok from above ie sisu

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

It wasn't their fault AT and Shaw were fucking shit.

They appointed Robins, the man who took us forward, appointed by TF & Wag, yet, you say this season is their fault. Wow.

Double-Wow. I like it that it wasn't their fault that their appointments - Thorn and Shaw - as you put it were 'shit'; yet then can take credit for appointing Robins who's 'not shit'.

I'm not agreeing with Don on this one; but talk about wanting it all your own way?!? 'Kinnell :facepalm:

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Double-Wow. I like it that it wasn't their fault that their appointments - Thorn and Shaw - as you put it were 'shit'; yet then can take credit for appointing Robins who's 'not shit'.

I'm not agreeing with Don on this one; but talk about wanting it all your own way?!? 'Kinnell :facepalm:

Well did Fisher and Waggot appoint Thorn?

Can't blame them for Shaw as he was a stop gap an next in line when we needed a caretaker

 

[lordsummerisle]

Dongles assertion is based on the fact that at the start of the season we had a squad capable of being in the top two.

We didn't.

Therefore the whole argument is flawed.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Double-Wow. I like it that it wasn't their fault that their appointments - Thorn and Shaw - as you put it were 'shit'; yet then can take credit for appointing Robins who's 'not shit'.

I'm not agreeing with Don on this one; but talk about wanting it all your own way?!? 'Kinnell :facepalm:

They kept on Thorn he was shit after he was going to be sacked at the end of the season, he did shit and they acted quickly on it, a lose-lose for SISU, because you have you, CJ, Dong and others saying it was harsh, should've given him more time etc, but on the same merits, we give him till Xmas OR 10 games and does shit, you'd have people asking why wasn't he sacked earlier. Past season was hard for him, granted, but he got all he wanted this summer and... Nothing changed, got sacked at the right time before the damage became terminal. He was a reactionary, and reactionaries usually aren't in control.

Shaw was a caretaker, he therefore isn't accountable to the board, it wasn't their fault he was terrible, a league below Thorn, which is saying something.

MR was appointed, by the board, got backed, by the board, he was accountable, to the board, yet, they have got no credit, MR's additions to the squad made it a automatic/champions squad.

How the next man does, the board will be accountable.