Juggy (7 Viewers)

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Just like to add my support to SkyblueKid. we'll see later this point is flawed
You cannot reason with people who refuse to address the points raised by those they disagree with, but instead
Resort to personal insults
Pick on subsidiary clauses not the main points raised ie. Keep changing the terms of debate and obscuring the main issues.
Infer opinions on others that they have not stated. says you? Refer back a bit to rejog your mind
See balanced, nuanced comments as betrayals to the cause of CCFC there're balanced? To ACL you mean?
Have entrenched opinions that no facts or valid counter arguments can lead them to question. many, many x10 are worst offenders, who would blame SISU for the ending of the world, and no, i dont think that's an exaggeration

Happy now oakey?

 

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[oakey]

Again wrong. I can see both sides of the debate and try to keep an open mind.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

No I was not supporting SBKid in his making of personal insults. Again, you have jumped to a wrong conclusion.
I was supporting his assertion that the moderator should be looking at bullying comments made on the forum.

Hypocrite means you say one thing and do another.
I think you meant selective ...A necessary skill in debating

"Just like to add my support to SkyblueKid" - sounds like it to me.

It would make you a hypocrite, you're saying I support SBK, who is siting, wait for it, it made me laugh, 'bullying', he is the worst offender of insulting people, yet you have backed him? You also said you'd rather delete your account than get personal (by insulting), yet you have supported the worst offender of it?

I also recalling you 'refusing to debate', great sport.

 

[oakey]

You are ticking off all the items on my former list. Keep going.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Going back to the start of the thread, anyone who cries over football is a sad pathetic inadequate who really needs to develop a sense of perspective.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You are ticking off all the items on my former list. Keep going.

I would be wouldn't I.

Good to see you answered the points I make, the silence is deafening!

 

[Nick]

Originally Posted by Nick Isnt he leamington boot boy on forums?.....in response to Torchomatic saying Cheever was LBB.



Is there anyone else that you'd like to accuse of being LBB then NICK?:facepalm:

I asked if lbb was juggy, which he is i think. Why so touchy?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Thank you Oakey, I thought for a millisecond that I might be wrong.
Valiant15....You see, what I see then m8
I've not come on forums to start rows, but I won't be talked down to, have sarcasm thrown at me, and have pricks(Yes pricks) talk to me how they are doing.
My biggest problem is...I bite back rather than let someone get away with it. As for you NICK...I'm very angry with your stance. Not for my sake, but others who take the shit from these arseholes, day in and day out, and nothing gets done about it.
Whether what I have to say on a post, people agree/disagree, all I ask is a little bit of respect, nothing more...nothing less.

 

[oakey]

SBTaylor, I did not answer the points that you raised because they made no sense and avoid all the main points up for debate.
It is not sixth form debate club where the objectives are to try to catch people out, obscure the issue, pick on a minor inconsistency in an opponent's argument in order to score points.
These are not intellectually honest tactics. That is why a reasonable person refuses to debate with people who will not use the intellectually honest debating skills.
I have been a teacher for donkey's years and have taught debating skills. People that refuse to debate properly are barred from participating.
Unlike you I don't go back and analyse every clause of your sentences to find a hint of an error. I try to deal with the main points raised and address them.
That is honest debate ... But I don't think you are into that.

 

[torchomatic]

So you can't do sarcasm? However, you want respect. So, calling people pricks, cunts and telling them to "go fuck yourselves" is your way of getting it, is it?

Thank you Oakey, I thought for a millisecond that I might be wrong.
Valiant15....You see, what I see then m8
I've not come on forums to start rows, but I won't be talked down to, have sarcasm thrown at me, and have pricks(Yes pricks) talk to me how they are doing.
My biggest problem is...I bite back rather than let someone get away with it. As for you NICK...I'm very angry with your stance. Not for my sake, but others who take the shit from these arseholes, day in and day out, and nothing gets done about it.
Whether what I have to say on a post, people agree/disagree, all I ask is a little bit of respect, nothing more...nothing less.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Thank you Oakey, I thought for a millisecond that I might be wrong.
Valiant15....You see, what I see then m8
I've not come on forums to start rows, but I won't be talked down to, have sarcasm thrown at me, and have pricks(Yes pricks) talk to me how they are doing.
My biggest problem is...I bite back rather than let someone get away with it. As for you NICK...I'm very angry with your stance. Not for my sake, but others who take the shit from these arseholes,day in and day out, and nothing gets done about it.
Whether what I have to say on a post, people agree/disagree, all I ask is a little bit of respect, nothing more...nothing less.

Bullying you say!?

[Bolded] Is this why reasonable people don't agree with your stance? :thinking about:

 

[kg82]

This is great reading for a boring Sunday!

 

[torchomatic]

OK, so please give you honest analysis of SBKs reaction and language on this thread. You said you agreed with his stance so I would be interested in a teachers view and him stating he just wants respect.

What do you think of the way he tries to gain that respect. Is it done in a positive manner? Is it working, do you think.

Unlike you I don't go back and analyse every clause of your sentences to find a hint of an error. I try to deal with the main points raised and address them.
That is honest debate ... But I don't think you are into that.

 

[torchomatic]

I hope you're not being &%@*$* sarcastic!!!!??

Oops forgot the smiley! :=}

This is great reading for a boring Sunday!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

SBTaylor, I did not answer the points that you raised because they made no sense and avoid all the main points up for debate.
It is not sixth form debate club where the objectives are to try to catch people out, obscure the issue, pick on a minor inconsistency in an opponent's argument in order to score points.
These are not intellectually honest tactics. That is why a reasonable person refuses to debate with people who will not use the intellectually honest debating skills.
I have been a teacher for donkey's years and have taught debating skills. People that refuse to debate properly are barred from participating.
Unlike you I don't go back and analyse every clause of your sentences to find a hint of an error. I try to deal with the main points raised and address them.
That is honest debate ... But I don't think you are into that.

No, because you're not up to it, pal, so don't BS your way out, like you have done thus far, I've rose to your challenges, but you're better than me not to 'return fire', aren't you?

I don't think swearing or insulting someone is honest either, but, I swear you've just backed SBK? Or am I mistaken?

I often get patronised by Valiant, Clougie and SBK because of my age, don't see me complain, because they're out of their depth.

 

[kg82]

I hope you're not being &%@*$* sarcastic!!!!??

Genuinely enjoying it!

 

[oakey]

Torch, you are asking me to make personal remarks about another poster, which I don't want to do.
Let's just say, I understand SBKid's frustration which makes him resort to insults. I do not agree with that though.
He was definitely provoked, by the posters he named, and lost it. It is hard not to feel disrespected when other posters refuse to debate the main issues and, instead, infer on you opinions you don't have.

 

[Nick]

Thank you Oakey, I thought for a millisecond that I might be wrong.
Valiant15....You see, what I see then m8
I've not come on forums to start rows, but I won't be talked down to, have sarcasm thrown at me, and have pricks(Yes pricks) talk to me how they are doing.
My biggest problem is...I bite back rather than let someone get away with it. As for you NICK...I'm very angry with your stance. Not for my sake, but others who take the shit from these arseholes, day in and day out, and nothing gets done about it.
Whether what I have to say on a post, people agree/disagree, all I ask is a little bit of respect, nothing more...nothing less.

Just re reading and somebody said it was an imbecilic post and you started with the go fuck yourselves and swearing and abuse etc. why not bring the post to our attention so we can deal with it? When you just go off on one then what are we meant to do?

It is a forum, people wont agree but there are ways to go about it though! What do you want me to do?

If something offends then report it and we can have a word / pm.

What are people meant to think when you rant about abuse and bullying by calling people pricks etc? Yes somebody said something about a post you made, you start the personal attacks!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Torch, you are asking me to make personal remarks about another poster, which I don't want to do.
Let's just say, I understand SBKid's frustration which makes him resort to insults. I do not agree with that though.
He was definitely provoked, by the posters he named, and lost it. It is hard not to feel disrespected when other posters refuse to debate the main issues and, instead, infer on you opinions you don't have.

But you'd happy do it to me, Grendel and Torch, hypocrite?

SBK can't make a post without insulting the other poster if he doesn't agree with them, I've had in formation and rent debates etc.

 

[Nick]

No, because you're not up to it, pal, so don't BS your way out, like you have done thus far, I've rose to your challenges, but you're better than me not to 'return fire', aren't you?

I don't think swearing or insulting someone is honest either, but, I swear you've just backed SBK? Or am I mistaken?

I often get patronised by Valiant, Clougie and SBK because of my age, don't see me complain, because they're out of their depth.

You do talk a lot of shit though

 

[oakey]

SBTaylor, you are correct. I am not up to a bar room brawl style of debate. It ends in blood and no solution.
You see debating as warfare.
I see it, as Socrates did, as honest men trying to find the truth by reason and thought.

 

[torchomatic]

To be honest, I cannot really see provocation that deems such an abusive reaction necessary. I don't abuse anyone if they don't say "Oh, yes you're right Torch, SISU are great!".

You can carry on making excuses for him if you wish, but I think most will see that he's completely out of order.

Torch, you are asking me to make personal remarks about another poster, which I don't want to do.
Let's just say, I understand SBKid's frustration which makes him resort to insults. I do not agree with that though.
He was definitely provoked, by the posters he named, and lost it. It is hard not to feel disrespected when other posters refuse to debate the main issues and, instead, infer on you opinions you don't have.

 

[oakey]

I have agreed with that point torchomatic

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You do talk a lot of shit though

Go fuck yourself, arsehole, prick :jerkit: etc.

(Sense the tone)

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Torchy...You've got your little followers who hang on every sarcastic word that you spout.
OSB on another thread yesterday described your sarcasm as wit....Sorry OSB, sarcasm is NOT wit. It is not remotely funny.
Yet idiots like Torchy think that it is the ONLY form of wit.
What are you Torchy? 40 something going on 5?:facepalm:

 

[oakey]

SBTaylor, no doubt you can find an example of me making personal insults on those 3 posters?

 

[ouch]

is this a children's only forum?

 

[kg82]

Torchy...You've got your little followers who hang on every sarcastic word that you spout.
OSB on another thread yesterday described your sarcasm as wit....Sorry OSB, sarcasm is NOT wit. It is not remotely funny.
Yet idiots like Torchy think that it is the ONLY form of wit.
What are you Torchy? 40 something going on 5?:facepalm:

Would that be sarcasm?!

 

[torchomatic]

I'm amazed you can come out with something so arrogant after the abuse you've been chucking around.

No one hangs on my every word. You are being even more childish than normal.

Am I sarcastic? Yes, but I feel it's better than being abusive. That's all you seem to have in your arsenal. And I don't care if it's not funny. I'm not trying to make people laugh.

You don't get any respect from me and you never will.

What are you Torchy? 40 something going on 5?:facepalm:

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

SBTaylor, no doubt you can find an example of me making personal insults on those 3 posters?

I never said you have.

 

[oakey]

I never said you have.

I think that's what you said in your post at 5:38. Happy to withdraw if mistaken?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Torchy...You've got your little followers who hang on every sarcastic word that you spout.
OSB on another thread yesterday described your sarcasm as wit....Sorry OSB, sarcasm is NOT wit. It is not remotely funny.
Yet idiots like Torchy think that it is the ONLY form of wit.
What are you Torchy? 40 something going on 5?:facepalm:

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I think that's what you said in your post at 5:38. Happy to withdraw if mistaken?

It was a dig at your 'support' of SBK. Didn't express that very well.

 

[oakey]

Just to clarify, again.
SBKid lost it when 3 posters ganged up on him. I supported his view that the debate was not reasonable and moderation should weed out bullying tactics.
I did not support the way he expressed his frustration.
As a teacher I see this all the time.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Just to clarify, again.
SBKid lost it when 3 posters ganged up on him. I supported his view that the debate was not reasonable and moderation should weed out bullying tactics.
I did not support the way he expressed his frustration.
As a teacher I see this all the time.

He's lost it far too many times even v 1 poster.

He made posts that were offensive and posters picked him up on that.