I talked to B.C.F.A re. phoenix club. (6 Viewers)

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mark82

mark82

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yep, got a first class Masters in chemistry. Back to the discussion though-I just think people are treating the club as a complete lost cause when it's not and is still worth fighting to rescue. The moment SISU leave the club has no purpose.
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No one is treating it as a lost cause. You are either misreading or not understanding. If CCFC came back to Coventry then it will have served its main purpose. Everyone here is a CCFC fan and we all want the same thing, it is another way of applying pressure. That is not to say any new club would be disbanded, that would be up to the members at the time. One person cannot answer that.
 
mark82

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stupot07 said:
To be honest it has nothing to do with it, just a thought that popped into my head.

Some are talking about setting up Phoenix while ccfc still exists because being moved out of city, citing FC united as an example and it just dawned on me that they don't play Manchester (yes greater Manchester but that's the equivalent of the West Midlands.)
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FC united is a model of the type of club but their reasons for creating are clearly very different.
 
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mark82 said:
No one is treating it as a lost cause. You are either misreading or not understanding. If CCFC came back to Coventry then it will have served its main purpose. Everyone here is a CCFC fan and we all want the same thing, it is another way of applying pressure. That is not to say any new club would be disbanded, that would be up to the members at the time. One person cannot answer that.
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People with money put in won't want to just say 'Job done, pack it in'. I understand the premise of the idea entirely but it seems a costly and extremely time consuming way of achieving the ultimate goal. We would honestly be better off head hunting a consortium of wealthy businessmen rather than praying for one to appear.
 
mark82

mark82

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stupot07 said:
Yep, I know but just an example of how much it still costs to run a decent non-league club.
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I don't disagree. It's not cheap, particularly when you move towards the league. Telford manage though. They are fan owned. As do Chester.
 
mark82

mark82

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
People with money put in won't want to just say 'Job done, pack it in'. I understand the premise of the idea entirely but it seems a costly and extremely time consuming way of achieving the ultimate goal. We would honestly be better off head hunting a consortium of wealthy businessmen rather than praying for one to appear.
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Maybe that's the answer, but SISU don't want to sell.

In terms of a Phoenix club, I would still support it financially and by going to games. I'm honest enough to say that if CCFC came back to Coventry I would go though.

Everyone has different opinions, nothing wrong with that. If it did happen though you should give it a try. Something quite pure about non league football. Very much like it was watching football in the 80's when I was growing up.
 
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Gary.j

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mark82 said:
No one is treating it as a lost cause. You are either misreading or not understanding. If CCFC came back to Coventry then it will have served its main purpose. Everyone here is a CCFC fan and we all want the same thing, it is another way of applying pressure. That is not to say any new club would be disbanded, that would be up to the members at the time. One person cannot answer that.
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Er, I'm treating it as a lost cause! That's the whole point of suggesting a breakaway!
 
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RogerH

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At any rate, anyone wanting to set up a phoenix club is now too late for 2013-14, so it gives plenty of time to see what happens over the next few months, to see if we actually do go to Northampton, and gauge what the mood of the fans is after a few months, what the results are like, how the ground share is going, what the crowds are like etc. We shall also see if SISU are serious about a new stadium.
By the time we get to January/February we will have a clearer view as to whether it is the right thing to set up a phoenix club, with enough time to set it up for 2014-15.
 
mark82

mark82

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RogerH said:
At any rate, anyone wanting to set up a phoenix club is now too late for 2013-14, so it gives plenty of time to see what happens over the next few months, to see if we actually do go to Northampton, and gauge what the mood of the fans is after a few months, what the results are like, how the ground share is going, what the crowds are like etc. We shall also see if SISU are serious about a new stadium.
By the time we get to January/February we will have a clearer view as to whether it is the right thing to set up a phoenix club, with enough time to set it up for 2014-15.
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Exactly. Nothing wrong with planning it now though. Better to do that than rush.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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mark82 said:
Maybe that's the answer, but SISU don't want to sell.

In terms of a Phoenix club, I would still support it financially and by going to games. I'm honest enough to say that if CCFC came back to Coventry I would go though.

Everyone has different opinions, nothing wrong with that. If it did happen though you should give it a try. Something quite pure about non league football. Very much like it was watching football in the 80's when I was growing up.
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Then I can go and watch Cov Sphinx if I really fancy it, or my local non league team at uni (St Andrews Utd). Really though SISU have lost an enormous sum on this venture but don't seem in the slightest bit fazed. If somebody offered them serious money to leave however, they will be more likely to listen. It's all they're drawn to.
 
stupot07

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Gary.j said:
Er, I'm treating it as a lost cause! That's the whole point of suggesting a breakaway!
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Feck me, pull yourself together man. If its a breakaway because people think its a lost cause can you stop calling it Phoenix, it doesn't deserve to be called Phoenix.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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stupot07 said:
Yeah it is a small world. My uncle did his degree, and then phd up there and met my auntie. I did a degree in physiology and then stayed on and did a masters.
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Ah right. With mine the Masters was integrated into the undergrad degree so not a separate qualification. Got a PhD to start up there in September so will have virtually no time to come down to England for games :(
 
stupot07

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Ah right. With mine the Masters was integrated into the undergrad degree so not a separate qualification. Got a PhD to start up there in September so will have virtually no time to come down to England for games :(
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Will be worth it in the end, I wish I'd stayed on and done a phd. Too late now though with kids, mortgage and bills to pay!!
 
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stupot07 said:
Will be worth it in the end, I wish I'd stayed on and done a phd. Too late now though with kids, mortgage and bills to pay!!
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I have a scholarship for my course fees and a top up sponsorship to boot so should make quite a bit out of it-maybe even enough to pay all my student debt (£23k).
 
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Gary.j

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stupot07 said:
Feck me, pull yourself together man. If its a breakaway because people think its a lost cause can you stop calling it Phoenix, it doesn't deserve to be called Phoenix.
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http://twohundredpercent.net/?p=23683
 
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Houdi

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stupot07 said:
Yes that how it seemed, but they only offered it to ltd who have no players, coaching staff, etc. apparently Appleton's legal team told ACLs on the 12 June, yet ACL have co tinted to peddle the free offer...

And it was a free offer pending £10k per match fees.

Mr Appleton said: “The offer made by ACL to allow the club to play at the Ricoh was dependent on Coventry City FC Limited remaining in administration. That is obviously still the case.

“However, as I’ve stated on many occasions, including my press release last Thursday following the completion of the sale of the Company’s assets, Holdings employs the players.

“There are insufficient assets in Limited to employ either a team of players, associated coaching staff or commercial operations to take up this offer. I’m somewhat surprised to hear ACL claim they have heard nothing from me on this matter given their solicitor was fully briefed on the reasons behind the decision not to take
up their offer by my legal team on June 12.

“A CVA document is a document designed to inform creditors of how they will be paid in a full and final settlement. There is no necessity to outline any other details.”[/QUOTE



But it was the very same administrator who apparently struck the deal with ACL when CCFC ltd was first put into administration,to do a deal for the club to play its last few games at the Ricoh.SISU at the time claimed there was virtually nothing in CCFC Ltd, so why did PA do the deal with ACL then,as he wasn't the admininstartor for CCFC Holdings,Fisher was still controlling that part of the club.
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Gary.j

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stupot07 said:
Yes, .it's a blog piece, well written but 1 persons pov. Is he even a Ccfc fan?
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I've no idea where the authors' loyalty lies. We all have a limit as to how much we can accept before we decide something is no longer worth effort, I found my limit, I appreciate not everyone would agree with me.
 
stupot07

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Houdi said:
But it was the very same administrator who apparently struck the deal with ACL when CCFC ltd was first put into administration,to do a deal for the club to play its last few games at the Ricoh.SISU at the time claimed there was virtually nothing in CCFC Ltd, so why did PA do the deal with ACL then,as he wasn't the admininstartor for CCFC Holdings,Fisher was still controlling that part of the club.
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True, but I suppose it was more of an emergency measure we had to complete the fixtures, and the golden share was in ltd.

Also he hasn't conpleted his report, didn't know where all the assets were or where the golden share was when he was first appointed, he's now completed his investigation.
 
saltaire bantam

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It would be better to field team this coming season, SISU would have something to consider and after all, you have spent an awful long time "waiting to see what happens next" and that has only resulted in disappointment after disappointment.

The idea is that at worse, you have your own club again just like Wimbledon. At best, CCFC returns without SISU whilst it's still at a higher league level, then you could fold the phoenix (having served it's purpose) and incorporate "1883" or whatever into the offcial CCFC name, what had happened would be a good phase in your history.
 
stupot07

stupot07

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saltaire bantam said:
It would be better to field team this coming season, SISU would have something to consider and after all, you have spent an awful long time "waiting to see what happens next" and that has only resulted in disappointment after disappointment.

The idea is that at worse, you have your own club again just like Wimbledon. At best, CCFC returns without SISU whilst it's still at a higher league level, then you could fold the phoenix (having served it's purpose) and incorporate "1883" or whatever into the offcial CCFC name, what had happened would be a good phase in your history.
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You would change the name of the club Coventry City FC that has been our name since 1898 if they returned?
 
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Gary.j

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That's a much more radical name change than some suggestions that have been made for a non-sisu run club!
 
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