mark82
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It would be impossible to do anything this season. Too late.
I talked to B.C.F.A re. phoenix club. (8 Viewers)
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It would be impossible to do anything this season. Too late.
pipkin73
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Hate to admit it but your right. To late now for this season, but that could be a bonus, as it means we have longer to sort this shit out and do it as one. that means the trust, all Phoenix breakaways etc, ALL AS ONE!!!
Could we create a club that if it worked drained SISU from any further supporters money BUT also created a club that had a purpose after. Like a B Team that was not official as it has different owners. This would help out 2 ways, pressure on SISU funds but even if we won we keep the club going like a sister company. If the new owners ever try something like this again the B team under different owners is still going to take over, but if they don't we have a B team to bring players through (like in Spain for example).
So a team set up to help us now, but could well help us in the future if things turn out how we want them to. Means supporters won't have to choose between the two as the new team is only a feeder team.
Well something like that
saltaire bantam
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No, I only suggested it and your kit hasn't been the same since 1898 has it? The name would be a nod to the fans who worked so hard to bring the club back, something that wouldn't be forgotten in future and also would be used as an alarm bell when another chancer came calling to "help"
CCFC 1883 would only be on your official title, it's not like you'd have to sing it or anything!
For instance we are Bradford City 2004 Ltd, we were Bradford City 1983 Ltd and before that summat else. No big deal.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Could do what Rangers did which was to rename as 'The Rangers Football Club' which has a more defiant ring to it.
stupot07
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But nuneaton boro were liquidated and no longer existed , we're talking about a breakaway a Phoenix club.
At the moment ccfc still exist.
mark82
Super Moderator
Yes, but for how much longer? If we are liquidated this time next year and then start planning we lose another year and cannot start up until 2015/16. Plus, the fact a high number of people "signing up" to such a club this year before it is even started could exert enough pressure on SISU to at least re-enter discussions with ACL.
deanocity3
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If remember didn't middlesboro go bust and changed their name
this from wiki
The club experienced severe financial difficulties during the mid-1980s. Middlesbrough were dropping down the table, and finished nineteenth in the 1984–85 season. In April 1986 the club had to borrow £30,000 from the PFA to pay wages. The final game of the season saw Middlesbrough relegated to the Third Division once more. That summer, the club called in the Provisional Liquidator and shortly afterwards, the club was wound up and the gates to Ayresome Park were padlocked. Without the £350,000 capital required for Football League registration, a new rule, it seemed inevitable that the club would fold permanently.However, Steve Gibson, a member of the board at the time, brought together a consortium and with ten minutes to spare before the deadline, they completed their registration with the Football League for the 1986–87 season. Following the registration came both a change of club crest and a change of the official company name to Middlesbrough Football and Athletic Club (1986) Ltd.
this from wiki
The club experienced severe financial difficulties during the mid-1980s. Middlesbrough were dropping down the table, and finished nineteenth in the 1984–85 season. In April 1986 the club had to borrow £30,000 from the PFA to pay wages. The final game of the season saw Middlesbrough relegated to the Third Division once more. That summer, the club called in the Provisional Liquidator and shortly afterwards, the club was wound up and the gates to Ayresome Park were padlocked. Without the £350,000 capital required for Football League registration, a new rule, it seemed inevitable that the club would fold permanently.However, Steve Gibson, a member of the board at the time, brought together a consortium and with ten minutes to spare before the deadline, they completed their registration with the Football League for the 1986–87 season. Following the registration came both a change of club crest and a change of the official company name to Middlesbrough Football and Athletic Club (1986) Ltd.
SkyBlueSwiss
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congratulations!!!
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Grendel
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There is little evidence the club will be liquidated. If a ground share really went ahead sisu would be budgeting for further losses. If liquidation was their preferred option it would have happened by now.
Saltaire, love your enthusiasm. Why aren't you working in the PR dept at our club? No hang on they'd wonder what hit them, bright imaginative ideas, some will work, some won't, but ideas all the same. They're not used to that.
This Phoenix B team sounds good to me (anything other than Sixfields sounds good) - I can't help feeling the likes of Coventry United or Coventry Sphinx would welcome being involved. The grounds are there. Some terracing and some seats could be installed quickly. If we work on it now, or when/if we do kick off in Northampton (the die will be cast then & we'll know where we are) we'll be ready to go August 2014. Three or four thousand fans at that level, quick promotions, just think of the fun, away from all this misery. The rest of the fans will soon want to be on board in that kind of atmosphere. & then a return to the Ricoh, use the smaller ground for the Phoenix/B side & even develop a community base around it. Possibilities are limitless.
Course. we'd have to make you Honorary Life President Saltaire!
This Phoenix B team sounds good to me (anything other than Sixfields sounds good) - I can't help feeling the likes of Coventry United or Coventry Sphinx would welcome being involved. The grounds are there. Some terracing and some seats could be installed quickly. If we work on it now, or when/if we do kick off in Northampton (the die will be cast then & we'll know where we are) we'll be ready to go August 2014. Three or four thousand fans at that level, quick promotions, just think of the fun, away from all this misery. The rest of the fans will soon want to be on board in that kind of atmosphere. & then a return to the Ricoh, use the smaller ground for the Phoenix/B side & even develop a community base around it. Possibilities are limitless.
Course. we'd have to make you Honorary Life President Saltaire!
Brighton Sky Blue
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SkyBlueSwiss
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Why are you so vociferously arguing against this idea?
No one is saying you have to be part of it. No one is demanding that you don't make your own decisions.
So you don't like the idea? Fine, then you continue to support a club that is owned by what I and many others consider to be an immoral, lying, evil hedge fund and that will not be playing in the town for which it is named. Not one person on here, as far as I have read, has even intimated that you do not have the right to do as you see fit. So you go ahead and do what you think is right for you.
But please stop the arguments against the Phoenix club. You don't think it is right? You don't want to be involved? Fine! Then just don't be involved, but if you don't want to be a part of it, please stop your incessant arguments against it.
Of course there is a connection, prior to 1962, we were the Bantams !
Grendel
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Why don't you like people arguing against it, how many times will you be popping along to cheer on a "new"'club.
It's a distraction we can do without. The club while still being funded means it can one day return even if it ever goes.
So I assume of you were a Brighton fan you'd have given up on them as well would you?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Brighton's ground was sold by the owners and no longer available for the club. They had no choice.
stupot07
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Are you saying I'm not allowed to have an opinion or argue against the Phoenix club? If you want to give up on 130 years of history good for you, for the Ccfc is still worth fighting for.
Grendel
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Swiss says once the team moved out of its city its no longer part of that city and now should not be supported.
Grendel
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The Swiss are hardly known for the warrior spirit are they?
SkyBlueSwiss
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The silly vendetta continues!
As always, you bring up arguments that have nothing whatsoever to do with our situation, failing to state what the actual situation is and why Brighton was a totally different scenario that has zero bearing on our postition. Again you, Mr. Superfan, intimate that as I live in Switzerland I may have difficulty "popping along to cheer on a new club, which is a cheap shot and a very stupid comment. I am not even going to bother going into the morality of this situation as morals are completely lost on you as long as you can sit in your seat at 3pm on Saturday. I hope you enjoy your new seat in Nothhampton.
I will restrain myself and just say that you are entitled to your opinions.
This has been an excellent thread, proper discussion, some great ideas from our friend from Bradford.
Obviously, a Phoenix club would have to be funded, I wonder if an approach to Gary Hoffman or Joe Elliott would be useful. I know Saltaire is in favour of acting quickly, but I think it is too late for 2013-14 now. Besides which any new club needs to be properly funded, obviously have a ground, be properly set up (the trust idea sounds good to me, keeps the likes of SISU away) and have a clear idea of what the club wants to be long term, so that all the fans and potential fans know exactly what is happening.
If Hoffman and Elliott were involved, I wonder if PH4 might be interested. His involvement might allow some connection with the Ricoh. Many fans think that SISU's ultimate target is to gain ownership of the Ricoh. To stop that would be great. Ideally, a SISU free club could return to the City, play at the Ricoh, and then merge with the phoenix club, which would have served it's purpose. Ah! dreams.
Obviously, a Phoenix club would have to be funded, I wonder if an approach to Gary Hoffman or Joe Elliott would be useful. I know Saltaire is in favour of acting quickly, but I think it is too late for 2013-14 now. Besides which any new club needs to be properly funded, obviously have a ground, be properly set up (the trust idea sounds good to me, keeps the likes of SISU away) and have a clear idea of what the club wants to be long term, so that all the fans and potential fans know exactly what is happening.
If Hoffman and Elliott were involved, I wonder if PH4 might be interested. His involvement might allow some connection with the Ricoh. Many fans think that SISU's ultimate target is to gain ownership of the Ricoh. To stop that would be great. Ideally, a SISU free club could return to the City, play at the Ricoh, and then merge with the phoenix club, which would have served it's purpose. Ah! dreams.
Grendel
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Your comment to Stu was outrageous basically saying he was not allowed to express his concerns. He i believe is a season ticket holder like myself and his arguments I agree with 100%. Interesting.
SkyBlueSwiss
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Silly, ignorant boy!
If you knew your history, you would know that the Swiss were the most feared warriors in Europe for hundreds of years, which is why they were chosen to be the Pope's personal guard.
Please try and research things before posting such stupid comments on things about which you clearly know nothing.
SkyBlueSwiss
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I am saying that if you are against the idea, then you will not want to be involved should it go ahead in whatever form. If you so clearly do not want anything to do with it, why argue so much about it? Just let those that do want to do it get on with it while you go to watch the football that you have opted for. What is your problem, and why argue so vociferously?
You are obviously very much against the idea, which as I stated is your right, but just because you are against it does not mean that others do not have an equal right to go ahead and do it. If you see it as competition, fine. I don't see it as competition, I see it as taking our club back from the immoral liars that have stolen it from us.
SkyBlueSwiss
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Try and argue a bit more competently Grenduffy. This is pathetic. You fool no-one with this silliness.
SkyBlueSwiss
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And here goes Mr. Superfan again. So you and Stu are both season ticket holders, which of course makes your opinion more valid that that of any fan that lives abroad. Silly, pathetic little boy!
Brighton Sky Blue
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The operative word being 'moved' rather than 'was kicked out'. Nobody has forced SISU into this.
Grendel
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I assume then that if this club is formed you and your ilk will leave this forum and discuss all things Pheonix elsewhere?
stupot07
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But it won't be ccfc, it will be a brand new club. Ccfc would still exist and still have the possibility to be brought back to its rightful home.
I'm not the only one in this thread who has expressed concerns, whilst ccfc is still in existence.
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SkyBlueSwiss
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Oh Dear!
So anyone that disagrees with you is now "ilk" are they? A rather evocative turn of phrase Grenduffy. Perhaps after your next little spat, we will become "orcs" or something even more nasty and dirty for daring not to toe the party line?
And to answer the question directly and honestly - something that you have proved totally incapable of - yes, I would of course leave this forum if it moved to Northampton with team SISU. If this forum remained in Coventry to support what I and others would perceive as the real Coventry team, then I would equally of course remain with this forum.
You see Grenduffy, it IS possible to actually answer a question totally, thoroughly and honestly. You really should try it sometime.
SkyBlueSwiss
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Stu,
I understand what your point of view is and I accept that this is your point of view.
What we have here is a difference of perception. You perceive a SISU-owned football club playing in Northampton as "your" club. I and some others perceive this to no longer be our club and would like to take action to remedy this state of affairs. So we are looking at the same situation and we see two totally different things. No amount of argument is likely to change this perception. I have not argued against you continuing to support a SISU-owned club playing in Northampton - that is your choice. And yet you argue vociferously against what I perceive to be the situation and what I would like to see happen. Don't you think this is a bit one-sided? Hence I ask you to stop arguing against something so vociferously that you intend to have nothing to do with anyway.
Otis
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It is not as black and white as some have made it seem.
It is not a phoenix / breakaway club OR Coventry City, it can be both.
My hope would be that if a breakaway or phoenix team was formed then further down the line CCFC and this new club would once again become one.
If I follow a new club it doesn't mean I am no longer a CCFC supporter.
WHILE the club is out of the City I would back a new team. If and when CCFC came back to Coventry this new team wouldn't survive anyway I would have thought.
Think most sensible people on here believe that if we go to Northampton it will be a more than 3 years before we return.
This is why I would back a new club. A new club with increasingly bigger support could help force Sisu out and new owners in anyway.
It is not a phoenix / breakaway club OR Coventry City, it can be both.
My hope would be that if a breakaway or phoenix team was formed then further down the line CCFC and this new club would once again become one.
If I follow a new club it doesn't mean I am no longer a CCFC supporter.
WHILE the club is out of the City I would back a new team. If and when CCFC came back to Coventry this new team wouldn't survive anyway I would have thought.
Think most sensible people on here believe that if we go to Northampton it will be a more than 3 years before we return.
This is why I would back a new club. A new club with increasingly bigger support could help force Sisu out and new owners in anyway.