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The only conspiracy theory I can see that fits.
Labovitch has been moved into the spotlight recently, emphasis on independent director, and a desire to get the club back in Coventry;
Fisher and council won't talk to one another anyway, Fisher and SISU know this is flogging a dead horse;
Fisher makes accidentally deliberate ridiculous statement, making position 'untenable';
Fisher leaves, to be replaced by Labovitch, who has established his credentials about wanting to find a solution;
Parties now willing to talk to one another;
Deal agreed.
It's a pretty short straw to be clinging to though! More likely it's just a daft, plain daft thing for him to say that helps nobody!
RegTheDonk
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I agree this will happen...you've also got the people who went to the charity match, some of those may venture to Sixfields.
Such a shame because Fisher will see this as an excuse to carry on with his plan. I say excuse because he knows all to well that he's in the wrong and will take anything positive to justify he has a plan that will eventually get SISU their money back.
would not admit how many free tickets he gave away as they were corporate tickets ! and said we are not in the business of giving free tickets away
Yep - plus Juggy later on said they were giving the programmes away for free. Pity Shane wasn't aware of this when he quizzed Fisher, would have been interesting to see what spin/excuse he put on this.
The Penguin
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No, you're allowed to detest them, and you don't have to respect their decision at all...
...but basic human decency and decorum dictates they don't have to be abused.
The Penguin
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Having now finished listening to the Fisher interview, all I can say is...what the hell is he thinking?
It's like he wants us all at each other's throats, and wants the club to have no fanbase left.
It's like he wants us all at each other's throats, and wants the club to have no fanbase left.
SkyblueBazza
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It is easy to know where to begin with any forum or reported statements/interviews, I have the following rules (bought about by past experience only to be left feeling deflated): -
1. listen for yourself before commenting
2. as far as is practicable, listen for yourself before reading or listening to anyone else's comments...thus resisting the urge to break rule "1."
3. Spend some time thinking carefully about what has been said before commenting
Fact is TF did not mention ACL when referring to getting the 10pts back. He used the word "they"...Now think!!! This could mean ACL, the Courts (legal action/veiled threat to FL?), the FL...etc. Knee-jerk thoughts & reactions of people on here is looking for half (or even less) of a reason to throw some flack his way...which is exactly what he could be after - to draw the spotlight back to him & away from JS. He is at worst a semi-skilled operator at this but with professional PR people feeding him threads of where & how to steer the debate to where they want it to go. Yes he will make some cock-ups along the way - he's human after-all!
Interestingly he did mention emotion as one reason for fans not attending in Northampton, & respecting them...do not be fooled! He is deliberately trying to provoke your emotions...he added stuff about great performances/games like the one yesterday almost in the same sentence - he might as well have said "Look what you missed you fools".
Stay strong...stay away.
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One of the more bizarre posts for me to 'like' this one but yes, it's just suicidal on so many levels!
fernandopartridge
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I don't bother listening. It's interesting that most on here think TF is full of shit but still cling to every word he says and treat everything he says in good faith.
SkyblueBazza
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Btw...when it comes to respect. TF showed his true colours by referring to "Pressley" comments rather than "the Manager" or "Steve Pressley"
skybluebeduff
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To summarize it all up in a 46sec video.
Tim is Peter Griffin, we are James Woods, and this is his plan....
[video=youtube;90Ps2L46dUs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Ps2L46dUs[/video]
Tim is Peter Griffin, we are James Woods, and this is his plan....
[video=youtube;90Ps2L46dUs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Ps2L46dUs[/video]
Otis
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O'Connor: I've had a text here this morning from Steve, who says 'why don't you do a short term deal with ACL for 3 years until you've built your new stadium?' And that way the fans get what they want, and you kind of get what you want, don't you?
Fisher: Yeah well if they can give us our ten points back, then we might sit down and have a chat.
O'Connor: Y-y-you're not going to entertain that at all?
Fisher: Huh, not at all Shane. We set out with a very clear vision for 3 years, and we've committed to 3 years financially, up to 5 with slippage on the new stadium, and we'll, you know, stick to that.
This is a very childish, unprofessional and unhelpful statement and though some have said there's nothing new, last week he said he was willing to talk to ACL and now this week he is pretty much shutting the door on us ever returning to the Ricoh.
The bloke needs to go. He's helping no-one and doing no favours even for his own side. No-one can defend him when he says stuff like this surely?
Fisher: Yeah well if they can give us our ten points back, then we might sit down and have a chat.
O'Connor: Y-y-you're not going to entertain that at all?
Fisher: Huh, not at all Shane. We set out with a very clear vision for 3 years, and we've committed to 3 years financially, up to 5 with slippage on the new stadium, and we'll, you know, stick to that.
This is a very childish, unprofessional and unhelpful statement and though some have said there's nothing new, last week he said he was willing to talk to ACL and now this week he is pretty much shutting the door on us ever returning to the Ricoh.
The bloke needs to go. He's helping no-one and doing no favours even for his own side. No-one can defend him when he says stuff like this surely?
The Penguin
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oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
The points I found interesting in what he said were
- that they are not going to come back to the Ricoh to do a rent deal
- that they had provided proof of funds to the FL for the next 3 to 5 years
- that last friday the club was recapitalised
- the squad on Saturday was costing £1m pa for FFP
so wont rent but does that point to the real SISU ambition in this
how can you have proof of funds for 3 to 5 years when it is based on projections that right now appear flawed in terms of income or is it just another promise the FL have accepted?
what does he mean recapitalised or is that similar to the 32m euro one he came up with this time last year and never seems to have happened
the reason we have a young squad is their salaries do not count in the FFP calculation. So the actual wage bill total does not bear resemblance to 65% of turnover then. So what happens as the squad gets older? What happens to young lads in a tough physical division when the pitches deteriorate
just thoughts
- that they are not going to come back to the Ricoh to do a rent deal
- that they had provided proof of funds to the FL for the next 3 to 5 years
- that last friday the club was recapitalised
- the squad on Saturday was costing £1m pa for FFP
so wont rent but does that point to the real SISU ambition in this
how can you have proof of funds for 3 to 5 years when it is based on projections that right now appear flawed in terms of income or is it just another promise the FL have accepted?
what does he mean recapitalised or is that similar to the 32m euro one he came up with this time last year and never seems to have happened
the reason we have a young squad is their salaries do not count in the FFP calculation. So the actual wage bill total does not bear resemblance to 65% of turnover then. So what happens as the squad gets older? What happens to young lads in a tough physical division when the pitches deteriorate
just thoughts
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I need to know why it was bizarre, it's doing my head in!
Liking a negative post is all
Like on facebook when people like status updates about people who have cancer, or like the fact someone's wife has had it away with 7 of the builders on their new extension.
You're not 'liking' the content, but publicly stating empathy for the insight.
It's the tyranny of the like button!
The Penguin
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Liking a negative post is all
Like on facebook when people like status updates about people who have cancer, or like the fact someone's wife has had it away with 7 of the builders on their new extension.
You're not 'liking' the content, but publicly stating empathy for the insight.
It's the tyranny of the like button!
Ah, okay.
I sat there reading it back for five minutes looking for any mistakes!
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Given the state of this board, I had to make clear I wasn't LITERALLY liking "It's like he wants us all at each other's throats, and wants the club to have no fanbase left."
Danceswithhorses
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Can't say i always agree with you my friend, but that makes alot of sense (for once lol)
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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I stated weeks ago that Fisher's continued presence at the negotiating table severally limited any chance of agreement.
It's clear their motivation is nothing short than securing the Ricoh at a distressed value - Justices Males underlined this in his recent comments with regards the judicial review.
However, Fisher's posturing, duplicity and arrogance has dimished even this chance to zero.
As such, he's ruined SISU's chances of their ultimate goal as much as he's cheated the supporters of Coventry of their team.
Quite a feat to have a deleterious effect upon both sides in a negotiation!?!
It's clear their motivation is nothing short than securing the Ricoh at a distressed value - Justices Males underlined this in his recent comments with regards the judicial review.
However, Fisher's posturing, duplicity and arrogance has dimished even this chance to zero.
As such, he's ruined SISU's chances of their ultimate goal as much as he's cheated the supporters of Coventry of their team.
Quite a feat to have a deleterious effect upon both sides in a negotiation!?!
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Would have thought the more likely front man was going to be Waggot - club needs to focus on things on the pitch to get any fans back and Waggot seems the best to do that
However TF does not seem bothered by the flack he gets, would appear to be the driving force behind this but not the final decision maker. Not sure they plan on negotiating very much.
My guess is TF is here to say for a while yet
However TF does not seem bothered by the flack he gets, would appear to be the driving force behind this but not the final decision maker. Not sure they plan on negotiating very much.
My guess is TF is here to say for a while yet
Surely any local council that already has a football club should deny planning permission due to clash of interest ,It would be amazing if Nuneaton and Bedworth gave permission given that there are 2 clubs in the area and Nuneaton Town not being to far away from CCFC in league standings ,and given the trouble Nuneaton Town had trying to get a new ground through planning.
So that leaves Rugby Leamington Warwick or maybe Hinkley as possible places
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Seems a decent negotiating tactic to have someone to cut through to begin with, a fall guy to stir things up and take the flak.
Means when it comes to it, his presence is one of the negotiating tools, and the rules of the game have been moved sufficiently that whoever follows gets the honeymoon period of offering reasonable terms, even if what is offered would have been seen as unreasonable prior to the blunderbus.
Actually, the club have to play in the conurbation/urban area from which they take their name - unfortunately most City fans have no understanding of what a conurbation is, let alone what area the Coventry Urban Area covers. Yet again we'll have accusations that the FL have broken their own rules, when in fact they have done no such thing.
The Penguin
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Could you enlighten me as to what the Coventry Urban Area covers?
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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His personality looms too large over the negotiations.
Most Sky Blue fans agree that incomes have to be united; but he's pushed the brinkmanship so far as to have made the prospect of this happening in the short to medium term further away than ever.
I have no time whatsoever for councils or councillors. Despise them. So, my natural inclination should be to support the football club in any struggle against a council, or their extended interests in a business such as ACL. But I've never been able to do so, as I've always thought that Fisher over-extended his hand, and in so doing imperiled the very existence of the club. I simply cannot bring myself to be aligned with that behaviour in any way.
SISU are headed by Fisher, not Seppala, within the daily business of the football club; and I cannot see how anyone can regard current events, or listen to an interview such as that of this morning; and feel any slither of confidence that Fisher is capable, or even interested in delivering a medium term solution for this city's football team. In fact, this morning's appearance and his conduct bordered on incompetency
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chiefdave
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When he says proof does he just mean they've shown the FL a budget (which they have to do for FFP anyway). That will be out the window now as they thought they would get 6-7K at Sixfields.
The Telegraph will be on to this surely? Can't be that difficult to make a few calls and check. Remember not long back Rugby council said they hadn't spoken to them so unless that's changed since they're out. What is the relationship like between Coventry Council and the bordering councils?
dongonzalos
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Grow up both of you
hill83
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You grow up
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Someone has to do the dirty work though, else no deal gets made.
When playing for high stakes, someone like Fisher to make the play and then stand aside seems the only way of doing it really.
Not like anyone who plays the high stakes can stay after all, is it, even if their position is 'right' for the negotiating?
And what better way than soften it all up, move the rules of engagement a little, and then there's an easy and obvious way to unite fans after the fallout concludes. Next person can make a big thing of mistakes of the past, learn from them, determined to get fans onside etc... we've seen it often enough with the shift from Richardson to McGinnity to Robinson after all!
(Not saying this is it btw, as just as likely it's an off the cuff remark that might have been of little significance if made in private, and not made on radio to hundreds of eager listeners who hang on his every word just atm!)
Ultimately though, the club really should be dead now, before all this, and the fact it should gives a certain freedom to demand what the hell you like, as the alternative from their POV is losing something that by rights should be lost anyway.
That makes in many ways Fisher, bizarrely, their best asset as he becomes more unpopular, as he himself can become the bartering tool for a brave new world.
The Penguin
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Yeah, I had a search just after I posted, realising it was a bit lazy of me and I should just go find out for myself.
Thanks for the link anyway!
ohitsaidwalker king power
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Divide and conquer- perhaps one of the oldest tactics utilised by "management" whether in War, Social or Business.. we must resist and unite as one.
Cool. I wasn't being sarcastic when I said that either.
It is a point worth making though I think. If a new ground was in Exhall, Bedworth, Binley Woods or in greenbelt within 1 mile of the city boundary in any direction it would not contravene FL rules.
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It leads to a whole other mess though doesn't it.
Personally a ground just outside the literal city boundaries I'm OK with, those boundaries change over time anyway, and the Ricoh's right on the edge anyway!
But obviously the further you move out...
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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I'd love to agree with you dear chap; but if SISU were going to play the sacrificial fool card, surely they should have done it after Ken Dulieu, Leonard Brody or Onye Igwe?
Fisher was meant to be clearing up after their house-party. I recall Grenduffy asserting he was 'the best CEO figure we'd had so far'.
He's continued with the same level of ineptitude his predecessors exhibited. Only in a lower division, with circa. 10% of the crowds his SISU colleagues inherited, and 40 miles down the motorway....