Coventry City boss admits 'errors' after leak of confidential players' documents (16 Viewers)

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Tim Fisher admits some players were registered to Coventry City Football Club Limited despite have repeatedly insisted they were registered to another company



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Coventry City boss Tim Fisher

Coventry City boss Tim Fisher has today accepted some players were registered in Coventry City Football Club Limited - despite repeatedly insisting players were registered in another company.
The admittance from the Coventry City boss follows a leak to the Telegraph of confidential club documents including players’ transfer agreements with other clubs.
The documents - also published on an anonymous blog website - appear to reveal players were registered with CCFC Limited, the company placed in administration in March.
Mr Fisher told us: “In these instances, the documentation clearly shows Limited as the registering company.”
Arena Coventry Limited (ACL) today seized on Mr Fisher’s comments - and today’s documents - to put further pressure on CCFC Ltd administrator Paul Appleton to restart the administration process.
Part council-owned ACL is turning up the heat on Mr Appleton in the run up to September 19, when he reports the findings of his long investigation into the conduct of Coventry City directors and shadow directors to the government’s Business, Innovation and Skills department.
He also anticipates completing the liquidation of CCFC Ltd by the end of this month at the earliest, after ACL refused to agree his Company Voluntary Arrangement proposal to bring the club out of administration - resulting in the loss of 10 league points.
Mr Appleton has repeatedly said his investigation has included examining the location of assets between Coventry City companies, including players’ registrations and contracts, and any movement of assets between companies.
Coventry City and Mr Fisher have consistently maintained over months of administration that the players were registered with another company, Coventry City Football Club Holdings.
Mr Appleton has stated it meant the club’s former owners Sisu’s own company Otium Entertainment Group Limited were the best bidders to buy the limited remaining assets in CCFC Ltd.
Last month, the Telegraph revealed the Football League had admitted errors and “administrative oversights” in registering Coventry City players to CCFC Holdings.
The League itself admitted the players should have been registered in CCFC Limited, as this was the company holding the League’s “golden share”, and therefore constituting “the club”.
The League said it had since done an audit of all 72 of its clubs to ensure this would not happen again.
The League refused to answer Telegraph questions as to whether some or all Coventry City players had been mistakenly registered in Holdings, and over what timescale.
The Telegraph has again today put these two questions to the Football League.
Our story, on August 16, prompted Coventry City to release a statement stating “the players contracts have been registered by CCFC (Holdings) Ltd and registered by the Football League in the name of Holdings for over 10 years - way before Sisu took over the club (in 2007)”.
But the documents published today support other documents previously reported by the Telegraph - including 2008 club board meeting minutes, the latest CCFC Ltd accounts and League documentation - which all pointed to players being registered in Limited.
Today’s documents sent anonymously to the Telegraph are letters to Coventry City from other clubs - Aston Villa, Newcastle United, Walsall, Bolton Wanderers, and Celtic.
They relate to compensation and transfer agreements - and the re-registering of transferred players in and out of Coventry City, including former star Sky Blues defenders Danny Fox and Scott Dann.
All state the players were registered, or were to be registered with the company Coventry City Football Club Limited.
Asked by the Telegraph about the documents, Mr Fisher, who became a director of the club later in 2011, said: “In these instances, the documentation clearly shows Limited as the registering company.”
He added: “Previously, the administration of the club and the business was less than efficient to say the least.
“Indeed, I would go so far as to say - and I’ve said it before - that historically the administrative side of the business was a complete mess. We found documentation to be contradictory in some instances, and often error strewn in others.
“For example, we have found contracts with a multitude of counter-parties using different names, including: Coventry City Football Club, Coventry City, Coventry City Football Club Limited and Coventry City Football Club Holdings Limited. Given the confusion as to company names, it is essential for documents to show the official company number.
“As we have maintained and the Football League have confirmed, the players’ registrations were held in Holdings. The contracts referred to showing Limited as the registering party are completely inconsistent with this and will doubtless have arisen from the loose usage of company names without recording the company number as well.
“The root cause of this confusion was the creation of a dual company structure by the club’s previous owners in 1995. We have now been able to clean this up, scrapping the old Limited/Holdings set-up and putting all the club’s business and assets under one company, Otium.”
Mr Appleton has said he is aware of the club documents being released - including the 2008 board minutes that were also handed to him by former club director Joe Elliott - and they are being included in his investigation.
He has also stated Coventry City Holdings could have had a claim to “beneficial” ownership over assets located in Limited - and that such claims could be open to court challenge.
An ACL spokesman said:“These documents highlight once again the need for the Football League to step aside and bring the Football Association in to scrutinise the claims and actions of Coventry City Football Club. The Football League’s errors in the registration of players and its lack of candour during the administration process itself have left it hopelessly compromised.
“We again call on them to refer this matter to the FA in the hope of restoring some credibility to their beleaguered organisation. And if they continue to stick their heads in the sand, then we urge Greg Dyke and the FA to intervene.
"These documents should also have a bearing on the administrator’s next steps. They clearly raise questions about the version of events he has been told by the club, and the one that drove the entire administration process.
" In the light of this new information, we would expect the administrator to look again at the conduct of the administration process as well as the conduct of the business of the club prior to the administration."
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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We could have registered our players with Timbuktu Atheltic FC and the football league wouldn't have even raised an eyebrow
 

Kingokings204

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All relevant posts and revelations but nothing seems to happen when it should, maybe we should just give up now? no1 seems interested.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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It may be fine for Fisher to cast the finger of blame in the direction of the chaotic administration of those who proceeded him; but he would have had sight of these documents during the administration process; and ahead of making his most recent in the Preston programme notes. Those words, now we have a small leaked insight, appear a sham.

The question to Fisher should be; was he aware of these documents ahead of his recent statements, and if not, why not?
 
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Monners

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Direct question needs to be raised with Greg Dyke on this in view of the high profile statements coming out today. He did a devent job with Brentford, so will will have an inside take on the issues regarding Fisher's/Administrators approach
 

Godiva

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It may be fine for Fisher to cast the finger of blame in the direction of the chaotic administration of those who proceeded him; but he would have had sight of these documents during the administration process; and ahead of making his most recent statement on the club website. Those words, now we have a small leaked insight, appear a sham.

The question to Fisher should be; was he aware of these documents ahead of his recent statements, and if not, why not?

The leaked documents were all pre-Fisher I think.
 

Kingokings204

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look at the picture of fish above, he just looks like a crook, I hate this!!!
 

shmmeee

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I was going to post and say 'how long before we get an ACL statement'........and there it was; right at the bottom. :facepalm:

It's kind of standard journalism to ask both sides for a statement.
 

oldskyblue58

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so we are to believe that the finance director Mr Brannigan and Mr Ranson didnt have a clue which company they were signing for :thinking about:and that well respected clubs didnt have a clue which company they were dealing with :thinking about:eek:r solicitors checking the documents were not sure who appointed them :thinking about:.......... all because they didnt have the company number quoted but very specifically stated the company name Coventry City Football Club Limited ................... really?
 

shmmeee

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Don't understand why the club don't show these documents. We've seen loads for the other case but only Fishers word for his.

Let the dog see the rabbit Fisher. If you're as honest as you say (and you've just admitted to lying) you'll be proven right.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
 
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longjohnskyblue

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If this does not finally put to rest the ridiculous notion that "both sides" are at fault nothing can!

This is bordering on fraud! (if not actual fraud). They have broken the league's mown rules, there is no question that the assets which for so long sisu have adamantly stated were in holdings clearly weren't. If he didn't know he should have known! In a court of law ignorance of the law is not now or has it ever been a defence!

There is no question the administration should be run again - and otium / sisu should be banned from the process! If all the contracts are with ltd (as it looks now they were) then it was a downright lie coming from Fisher, and in fact as in every other company in the world holdings had nothing of value, and ltd (exactly as ACL sadi from day one stated) had everything of value!

Looks like yet more legal proceedings coming sisus way and possible some jail time (asset stripping just before administration is a CRIME)
 

oldskyblue58

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all pre Fisher cover period from 2006 to 2010. But whether Fisher was there or not at the time really is not relevant. After months of investigation there shouldnt be these contradictions.
 

Kingokings204

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What's the significance of this latest news? Nothing will happen and fans will be screwed over as always happens. simples.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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Not sure if they were all pre Fisher, but certainly not pre SISU and pre Joy.

Forget pre or post Fisher; read the Preston programme notes. These documents seemingly prove a 180 degree distant status to that Fisher claimed.

And as ever, the omnipresent Godiva disappears when a smoking gun is found. ..
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

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so we are to believe that the finance director Mr Brannigan and Mr Ranson didnt have a clue which company they were signing for :thinking about:and that well respected clubs didnt have a clue which company they were dealing with :thinking about:eek:r solicitors checking the documents were not sure who appointed them :thinking about:.......... all because they didnt have the company number quoted but very specifically stated the company name Coventry City Football Club Limited ................... really?

It's probably all part of a scientific experiment to see how far credibility can be stretched before it finally breaks........
 

Godiva

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Forget pre or post Fisher; read the Preston programme notes. These documents seemingly prove a 180 degree distant status to that Fisher claimed.

And as ever, the omnipresent Godiva disappears when a smoking gun is found. ..

But is it a smoking gun?
Or is the headline of the article a little mis-leading.
The statement from Fisher is almost word-for-word the same he used at the fans forums - at least as I recall it.
 
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But is it a smoking gun?
Or is the headline of the article a little mis-leading.
The statement from Fisher is almost word-for-word the same he used at the fans forums - at least as I recall it.

And here he is MMM ;)
 

Godiva

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Second time today though he's disappeared like a French infantryman when the going gets tricky

I am sorry - I have to do some work sometimes. Or eat. Or sleep.
Not very useful excuses, but there you have it.
 

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