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skybluegnome
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That's exactly what most Rugby fans want football fans to think, in order to keep them away from a game of Rugby..
SkyblueBazza
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Go tell Martin Johnson
SkyblueBazza
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Went to yesterday's double-header. Fantastic day out. There was loads of passion & singing (2nd game mostly). Wasps fans' wry smile at the end - needed a conversion to win, only to hit the inside of the near post & deflect outwards. Contrast that with what happens in football in those situations...vitriol directed at the player concerned & opposing fans would be in abundance. Yesterday loads of drink (inside the seating area!) 4 sets of fans (62000 total) & I'd be surprised if anyone was even ejected, let alone arrested! No hint of nonsense outside either - pleasant mingling & discussing things.
Recommend going to everyone.
My only sadness was that I didn't feel allegiance to any of the teams. If Cov RUFC get going again - who knows?
Recommend going to everyone.
My only sadness was that I didn't feel allegiance to any of the teams. If Cov RUFC get going again - who knows?
WiganSkyBlue
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Rugby League is much better than union. Wigan Warriors are worth watching at the mo
Mucca Mad Boys
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Please, Union > League 100%. League is still decent to watch though and have some real tough guys playing.
FRY-CCFC
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ok do you know where I could find him?
i always smile when the old rugger v football debate comes up.
Rugger fans always say what a noble game it is, how the players always respect the ref and never question his authority and how football could do well to learn from it. As commeneted earlier, the bloodgate episode pretty much blew the high moral ground from underneath rugger as it demonstrated how a club systematicaly cheated, from manager to medical staff and onto player. Thats a pretty sophisticated and organised deception that gets swept away with the suggestion that it was only one club. If one of the top football teams had set up such a deception we would be hearing about it for years!!
Its's also a game where attemptingto gouge out your opponents eyes is quite common. And yet the bite by Suarez (am in no way condoning it) is made out to be the sporting crime of the century!!
As for questioning the decissions of the ref, well I am all for it. Thats what makes football distinct and unlike rugger. I don't want to watch a game where all the players just nod their head every time the ref makes a decission. I think its healthy for them to question him if they think he has got it wrong.
Rugger fans always say what a noble game it is, how the players always respect the ref and never question his authority and how football could do well to learn from it. As commeneted earlier, the bloodgate episode pretty much blew the high moral ground from underneath rugger as it demonstrated how a club systematicaly cheated, from manager to medical staff and onto player. Thats a pretty sophisticated and organised deception that gets swept away with the suggestion that it was only one club. If one of the top football teams had set up such a deception we would be hearing about it for years!!
Its's also a game where attemptingto gouge out your opponents eyes is quite common. And yet the bite by Suarez (am in no way condoning it) is made out to be the sporting crime of the century!!
As for questioning the decissions of the ref, well I am all for it. Thats what makes football distinct and unlike rugger. I don't want to watch a game where all the players just nod their head every time the ref makes a decission. I think its healthy for them to question him if they think he has got it wrong.
SkyblueBazza
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Erm...Just go to Twickenham & hang around outside the VIP door at one of the autumn internationals.
SkyblueBazza
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Yes - a big issue WAS made of it though. And it was only one club. In contrast probably 100% of football clubs have squads made up of 50% cheats...feigning injury...diving...pinching 5-10yds at free-kicks...& throw-ins...appealing for decisions e.g. when knowing the ball came off them but still claim a corner rather than the genuine goal-kick (need I say more?)...all generally accepted & brushed under the carpet in every game - "professionalism" I think they call it!
Mucca Mad Boys
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95% of the time, football players don't just 'question' the ref, there're 5-6 players in his face sometimes shouting and it's blatantly disrespectful. Also, no referee ever, in any sport that doesn't have 'appeal systems' has changed his/her mind because players have questioned their judgement, what the officials say, goes, in any sport.
The times to criticise refs decisions etc. should be after the match, and governing + refeering bodies should take necessary steps if officials perform to a sub-standard.
DazzleTommyDazzle
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Coventry City v Everton 1978 (I think).
Everton attack, the linesman flags but the ref waves play on - Bob Latchford scores for Everton the goal is given.
Before the kick off, Terry Yorath ( "Terry is our leader") speaks to the ref. The ref eventually awards a free kick to us.
After the game Terry was interviewed. He said that he'd spoken very politely to the ref saying " I think you thought the linesman was flagging for a foul on the Everton player. I think that he was flagging for offside. Would you mind checking with him?"
He checked and Terry was right.
BurbageSkyBlues
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To be fair, rugby players do question the decision, but they do it without f'ing and b' in the ref's face........you will often see the captain asking the ref to explain his decision, and sometimes putting his own view across.....you just don't get the vile confrontation, chasing the ref around the pitch, like a pack of hounds after a fox.
Don't get me wrong, I love football, but can see a lot of things in rugby, that soccer could learn from. I was lucky enough to follow Cov rugby around the country in the sixties and seventies, watch them win the Cup at Twickenham, when they were the best team in the land....but in my teens I found the excitement of the West End just too much to resist !
PUSB and c'mon Cov !
Can't stomach the superior attitude of Rugby followers. Always telling you about how they all mingle happily in the pub beforehand - yeah, and so do football supporters 99% of the time. What do they think we do, chuck bricks at each other every week?
As for Cov, that club has been plagued by mismanagement for years. Nothing short of a disgrace how one of country's biggest clubs once full of internationals has been able to slip to the third tier. Sound familiar? Although, their fall from grace has probably been more significant. Not that people criticise, they just turn up every week and pat themselves on the back about how inclusive it all is. Blood capsules don't matter, gouging is fine, stamping on someone's head is quickly forgiven, so too punching someone square on the jaw. Eric Cantona almost went to prison for kicking an abusive fan - a Rugby player in similar circumstances would have been given an MBE. Bad behaviour by Rugby players is all fine though, because after the game they all get wasted, stick their cocks in each others beer and sing vulgar songs. I know, I've played the game, and the stench of repressed homosexuality is overwhelming.
Tin hat on.
As for Cov, that club has been plagued by mismanagement for years. Nothing short of a disgrace how one of country's biggest clubs once full of internationals has been able to slip to the third tier. Sound familiar? Although, their fall from grace has probably been more significant. Not that people criticise, they just turn up every week and pat themselves on the back about how inclusive it all is. Blood capsules don't matter, gouging is fine, stamping on someone's head is quickly forgiven, so too punching someone square on the jaw. Eric Cantona almost went to prison for kicking an abusive fan - a Rugby player in similar circumstances would have been given an MBE. Bad behaviour by Rugby players is all fine though, because after the game they all get wasted, stick their cocks in each others beer and sing vulgar songs. I know, I've played the game, and the stench of repressed homosexuality is overwhelming.
Tin hat on.
Understand what what you are getting at SBT, and up to a point I would agree. These days I think its rare to see 5-6 players confronting a ref, cannot think of the last time I saw such an event. What I am trying to get at is that the questioning element of the game is what makes it what it is. i dont' want to see a game where elements of rugger are passed on to footbal just because they are seen as 'good practice'. Football has evolved the way it has due many elements, and to me the ability of the players to question the ref on his decissions is one of them. Dennis Wise was, apparantly, an expert. Dont remeber seeing him confront a ref but I understand he made his views known.
As for criticising a ref after the game, always seems fairly pointless. Remeber Gary Mac getting penalised for not retreating from a free kick quickly enough against Burnley. The ref marched the ball right into the penalty area to give them an extra ten yards from which they scored. Apparantly he should only have taken it up to the edge of the box and no further. Dont think he even got told off about it afterwards, but I could be wrong.
As for criticising a ref after the game, always seems fairly pointless. Remeber Gary Mac getting penalised for not retreating from a free kick quickly enough against Burnley. The ref marched the ball right into the penalty area to give them an extra ten yards from which they scored. Apparantly he should only have taken it up to the edge of the box and no further. Dont think he even got told off about it afterwards, but I could be wrong.
Mr T - Sukka!
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Rugby? Not for me thanks. It has got to be the most boring dull sport i have ever seen. I put it in a simular barcket to WWE wrestling, not a sport but simular in the fact big guys like to tackle one another.
I have no issues with people going to watch it or play it thats fine.
But the one thing that annoys most football fans is the "its a real mens game" attitude. Its not, Boxing is a real ultimate mans sport, for toughness etc.
So the Rugby guys lose that argument to boxing hands down. (No pun intended)
I have no issues with people going to watch it or play it thats fine.
But the one thing that annoys most football fans is the "its a real mens game" attitude. Its not, Boxing is a real ultimate mans sport, for toughness etc.
So the Rugby guys lose that argument to boxing hands down. (No pun intended)
Not sure what you mean by that last line Bazza. Cov RFC are very much alive under complete new owners and management and although in the 3rd tier { Sounds familiar} its still a good afternoon at the BPA and the Cov crowds are the largest at that level. Football is my first love but I have a fondness for a few beers in Spon End pre match and another in my seat cheering on a Cov side playing near the City Centre !
You had to give it up though, when you couldn't get your cock past the head on a decent pint ?????!!
Ha! That's all true.
I was being a bit mischievous, Rugby is a decent game and I wish Cov well and may pop down this season. The superior attitude does really grate though.
bigfatronssba
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I agree with you on this. I myself will probably go to a few games this season, but that superior fan thing really does annoy me.
I remember driving along Hen Lane when there was a Rugby match on at the Ricoh, there were loads of Cardiff Blues fans behaving about as well as Cardiff City fans.
For an inclusive atmosphere the Ice Hockey is best. Enough animosity between the fans for an atmosphere, but still pleasant enough for families to enjoy.
SkyblueBazza
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What I'm getting at is that IF I start supporting a rugby team...I want the emotional attachment - like I have for the skyblues. What I have attended so far the double-header & odd international - thoroughly enjoy (the aggression is on the pitch...the fun is off it). BUT I live on the S.Coast now - hardly likely that anyone would say to themselves "I'm going to start watching football...I know - I'll travel from here all the way to Coventry (I mean Northampton lol) to watch a league1 team". I have only felt the affiliation to England Rugby so far...Harlequins stirred me a bit as the fans seemed most passionate (Wasps support was a bit cheesy for my taste). I could get passionate supporting Cov Rugby - but to start off travelling 140 miles or so supporting them in L3??? Not going to be stirred enough I'm afraid.
SkyblueBazza
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Personally I think the superior attitude is rife on both sides. It's just that in footy it takes on the form of inverted snobbery.
Aaah fair enough, didn't know of course that you were down there. It's still a good cheap day out for Cov based Cov folk though and people looking for an alternative on a Saturday now need not look too far for some live sport.
Warwickhunt
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Its about time CCFC & Coventry Rugby aligned themselves and worked under a single remit at the RICOH
Hobo
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Agree. If the Ricoh is for the benefit of the citizens of Coventry why not make it the home of two of our most historic sporting teams.
Yes I know there are arguments against and obstacles to
overcome but it is feasible, potentially to everyone's benefit.
duffer
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I'd have to disagree.
Cov RFC are building steadily and sustainably and would be much better off continuing to do so. The last thing they want to do is involve themselves in the Ricoh/CCFC circus.
The BPA is ideal for the crowds they'll get in the forseeable future, and as things improve it would surely make more sense to develop it than move to a stadium which is far too large for their needs. If they ever get to a match (maybe a cup game against Leicester!), where there's a chance of drawing tens of thousands, rather than the upper hundreds they currently get, then maybe they could use the Ricoh as a one off, but as a permanent base it would make no sense, imho.
duffer
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I'm sorry mate, but that's just utter rubbish. I don't know where you played, or where you watch, but that's not what I've seen. As for singing vulgar songs, you do occasionally go to footy, right?
Cov RFC's fall from grace came about by not being properly geared up for the professional era, and then spending too far, too fast when trying to catch up. The fans I sit next to when I go there don't whine about it, because they're happy to watch a game and see a team that's clearly improving. There's no back-slapping, that's in your head - there's just a different set of behaviour amongst rugby fans because that's the way it's always been. The battle is on the pitch rather than off it.
If you can find a single rugby fan anywhere who thinks that gouging is acceptable, or that the blood capsule thing wasn't a scandal, then I'd be amazed. Look at the bans that got handed down for that.
When I watch football though, I still regualrly see the most pathetic kind of cheating, diving, and I'm always amazed that it's considered acceptable. Ditto the way that refs and linos are treated by players. Personally, it dries me mad - not because I'm a rugby fan, but because I'm a football fan and it ruins the game (at least for me).
And what is this obsession about being gay - I thought we'd got past all that bullshit. If you've got issues with what you perceive as repressed homosexuality go talk to a counsellor, personally I don't think it should matter these days whether you're gay, straight or somewhere in between. To use it as an insult is a bit 1970s, to my mind.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Rugby was "invented" by a fat lad at a posh school who was shit at football....
.....and for that reason...I'm out.
.....and for that reason...I'm out.
I'm sorry mate, but that's just utter rubbish. I don't know where you played, or where you watch, but that's not what I've seen. As for singing vulgar songs, you do occasionally go to footy, right?
Cov RFC's fall from grace came about by not being properly geared up for the professional era, and then spending too far, too fast when trying to catch up. The fans I sit next to when I go there don't whine about it, because they're happy to watch a game and see a team that's clearly improving. There's no back-slapping, that's in your head - there's just a different set of behaviour amongst rugby fans because that's the way it's always been. The battle is on the pitch rather than off it.
If you can find a single rugby fan anywhere who thinks that gouging is acceptable, or that the blood capsule thing wasn't a scandal, then I'd be amazed. Look at the bans that got handed down for that.
When I watch football though, I still regualrly see the most pathetic kind of cheating, diving, and I'm always amazed that it's considered acceptable. Ditto the way that refs and linos are treated by players. Personally, it dries me mad - not because I'm a rugby fan, but because I'm a football fan and it ruins the game (at least for me).
And what is this obsession about being gay - I thought we'd got past all that bullshit. If you've got issues with what you perceive as repressed homosexuality go talk to a counsellor, personally I don't think it should matter these days whether you're gay, straight or somewhere in between. To use it as an insult is a bit 1970s, to my mind.
Oh wind your neck in, I said in my following post I was being mischievous. It was all a tongue in cheek retort to the superior crap we've had to endure in this thread. The back-slapping is not in my head, it is in your posts.
Just to clarify, you totally misunderstood the repressed homosexuality comment, and let's be clear, CRFC have been very badly run for a very long time and the fact the fans don't whine about it is the reason the idiots in charge got away with it for so long (they almost made SISU look competent). I hope they have turned the corner, but I don't think the club will ever again be geared up for top class Rugby. A travesty really.
duffer
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Yep, although that's probably a bit of a myth. The first mention of football as an organised team sport, as opposed to the free-for-alls which often bore more resemblance to rugby than football, was perhaps at Eton. (accoding to wiki, anyway).
Maybe the fat posh lads didn't like rugby.
Anyway, if you're looking for an organised sport without posh roots I think you might struggle - working people were a bit too busy in the old times to play regular, organised sport for nowt. Maybe Rugby League would be more your thing?
duffer
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Wind you neck in yourself mate - if it's tongue in cheek maybe you want to include something vaguely humorous in the posting to make that clear.
I responded to your post in the tone in which it was written, before I got to see your next one. Sorry if that upset you.
You seemed to imply rugby fans are smug and superior - which isn't what I see, and all rugby players are gay (with gay being by definition, a bad thing).
All those statements are, frankly, bollocks and if you made them seriously they deserve to challenged.
And I don't think you can blame the fans for the goings on at Cov RFC - some of them have put their hands in their pockets to get the club back on a even keel and it's now being run properly by (Coventry) people who care about it. I wish the same was true for CCFC.
And just to be clear - where's that back slapping that's getting you so wound up (assuming you're not being mischievous)? I like both sports, though to be clear I prefer football; I'm not so blind though as to see that there aren't big problems with it, discipline and cheating being at the top of list for me personally. In that sense, but probably in that sense only, I think Rugby is the better sport to watch. That and the fact you can have a pint whilst you're watching.
