Cardoza - We Want City For As Long As Possible (6 Viewers)

[lewys33]

Or a bit like fans hatred for our present owners being more important than the future of the Club?

Simple choice, Sixfields with sisu or the Ricoh with sisu and income for the Club?

Some prefer a third choice however. Oblivion.


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Are they the only genuine options?

 

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[Monners]

It would be interesting to know the reaction of the fans at the forum when he made this statement. Applause? DIscord? Ambivalence?

 

[Cheshire Sky Blue]

What do the rules say? I assumed our games being flung around the calendar was their mandate.

Rule 1 The Board of the football league can vary the rules as they see fit, irrespective of the long term damage it might cause.
Rule 2 All Clubs must honour the rules without failure, Failure to do so will result in severe penalties.
Rule 3 When the Football league get bullied or are otherwise outwitted, Rule 1 applies:blue:

 

[torchomatic]

Evidence? In fact I have exactly the same evidence as those who suggest that if CCFC bought the Ricoh then SISU would liquidate the club or knock the Ricoh down to build houses. Zero. I don't care about SISU, ACL, CCC or the Coventry xaxpayer. I care about CCFC and would have them back playing at the Ricoh tomorrow if I could. IF that makes me evil and morally bankrupt, then I guess I'm evil and morally bankrupt. To be honest, I think the Coventry taxpayer is worse off in the current situation.

As for your second question. That comes down to evidence also. Who says we would start again in the Conference?

There's no evidence to suggest oblivion though is there?

Let me put it another way, current situation or City back at the Ricoh in the Conference?

 

[torchomatic]

No one knows. It's a risk, isn't it?

Are they the only genuine options?

 

[Astute]

Or a bit like fans hatred for our present owners being more important than the future of the Club?

If SISU don't get the Ricoh we will always have a ground to play in once they have gone.....whatever they do to our club. That is the future.

Simple choice, Sixfields with sisu or the Ricoh with sisu and income for the Club?

More like the Ricoh with SISU and income for SISU.

Some prefer a third choice however. Oblivion.

Yes they do. SISU have taken us lower than the vast majority have ever known. We are still going lower. We are heading for oblivion. Yet some still bow to them and want them to have whatever they want and at whatever price they want to pay.


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The best we could hope for if they got the Ricoh would be rent payable to their investors. They get paid by results so the rent would be high to give them a better return. Also all profits would go to their investors. So there would be no investment in the squad. We would have to rely on the academy. My hopes were to be a yo yo club between the Prem and Div 2. We would be lucky to become a yo yo club between Div 2 and Div 3. Yeah great future.

 

[fernandopartridge]

"The longer the better. We make money out of it."

Whereas ACL and CCC want Coventry City Football Club to return to Coventry for what reason?

This is the reality. He's doing nothing wrong acting in the best interest of NT whether you like it or not.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

The best we could hope for if they got the Ricoh would be rent payable to their investors. They get paid by results so the rent would be high to give them a better return. Also all profits would go to their investors. So there would be no investment in the squad. We would have to rely on the academy. My hopes were to be a yo yo club between the Prem and Div 2. We would be lucky to become a yo yo club between Div 2 and Div 3. Yeah great future.

You make it sound as if getting a return on their investment is a crime, after all our Football Club is their business, SISU have no emotional attachment to the club, whether you can believe that SISU can make their business succesful is up to you, however when people were expecting players to be sold in the summer, not one player that the manager wanted was sold, even when there were offers on the table.

 

[torchomatic]

No one "bows" to them, you fool.

The best we could hope for if they got the Ricoh would be rent payable to their investors. They get paid by results so the rent would be high to give them a better return. Also all profits would go to their investors. So there would be no investment in the squad. We would have to rely on the academy. My hopes were to be a yo yo club between the Prem and Div 2. We would be lucky to become a yo yo club between Div 2 and Div 3. Yeah great future.

 

[Astute]

You make it sound as if getting a return on their investment is a crime, after all our Football Club is their business, SISU have no emotional attachment to the club, whether you can believe that SISU can make their business succesful is up to you, however when people were expecting players to be sold in the summer, not one player that the manager wanted was sold, even when there were offers on the table.

I don't mind them getting a return. But I always thought success was what deserved reward. Name one success that we have had since they took us over?

 

[Astute]

No one "bows" to them, you fool.

Fool?

You never have a bad word for them. But forever have a go at everyone else involved. They are destroying our club. Yet you always back them.

And you have the nerve to call me a fool :laugh:

 

[RoboCCFC90]

I don't mind them getting a return. But I always thought success was what deserved reward. Name one success that we have had since they took us over?

This situation. If our club manages to survive this nightmare which has been in the pipeline for before SISU's arrival then the club may operationally be better for the future, more sustainable and potentially better for investment. Having things a company and then other things in b company, being charged rent that was OTT and not having access to all the Football related revenue's is not the way to run this business, hopefully if SISU leave they'll leave us in a better position then the last.

 

[Astute]

This situation. If our club manages to survive this nightmare which has been in the pipeline for before SISU's arrival then the club may operationally be better for the future, more sustainable and potentially better for investment. Having things a company and then other things in b company, being charged rent that was OTT and not having access to all the Football related revenue's is not the way to run this business, hopefully if SISU leave they'll leave us in a better position then the last.

This is my problem. What have they ever done to make us think that they will leave us in a better position? I don't trust them anymore. The only time they seem to tell us the truth is when it is bad news. You know that owning the freehold don't give them an income. Owning the leasehold would.

 

[James Smith]

This is my problem. What have they ever done to make us think that they will leave us in a better position? I don't trust them anymore. The only time they seem to tell us the truth is when it is bad news. You know that owning the freehold don't give them an income. Owning the leasehold would.

Well they looked into closing the Academy years ago and then they moved us out of the Category 2 facilities that were built basically for the Academy, do we know that they're deffo going back to the Higgs Centre? You do have to wonder what they think we're going to do for players without it. Still they're people with masses of experience running a football club so this should be....oh no wait a minute.....:facepalm:

 

[lewys33]

Well they looked into closing the Academy years ago and then they moved us out of the Category 2 facilities that were built basically for the Academy, do we know that they're deffo going back to the Higgs Centre?

I was under the impression that the Academy are already back at the Higgs? I may be wrong .......

 

[James Smith]

I was under the impression that the Academy are already back at the Higgs? I may be wrong .......

Good news if true, the last I saw was this in the Telegraph: Sky Blues move closer to moving back into Alan Higgs Centre after pressure from FA in early September.

 

[valiant15]

Shame they didn't pay for the upkeep of the equipment.

They wouldn't of been kicked out then.

 

[King of the Lesbians]

(**I'm a cardigan wearer and I often get called a c*** by random people that I don't know).

Because you wear a cardigan or just well, you know...

(I do hope that winky smiley works!)

 

[torchomatic]

Fool?

You never have a bad word for them. But forever have a go at everyone else involved. They are destroying our club. Yet you always back them.

And you have the nerve to call me a fool :laugh:

No I don't. Read.

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[Grendel]

Well they looked into closing the Academy years ago and then they moved us out of the Category 2 facilities that were built basically for the Academy, do we know that they're deffo going back to the Higgs Centre? You do have to wonder what they think we're going to do for players without it. Still they're people with masses of experience running a football club so this should be....oh no wait a minute.....:facepalm:

I think you'll find ranson and Elliot were looking at closing the academy.

 

[shmmeee]

I think you'll find ranson and Elliot were looking at closing the academy.

Source? Seemed from the minutes it was as much Igwe's choice as anything and old Joe was tasked with doing the PR as was his role.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

This is my problem. What have they ever done to make us think that they will leave us in a better position? I don't trust them anymore. The only time they seem to tell us the truth is when it is bad news. You know that owning the freehold don't give them an income. Owning the leasehold would.

It's not about what they have done, yes they relegated us, cut our expenditure on the squad and sold players but tell me a Football Club that isn't doing that to maintain a healthy business?

Compared to what our business model is said to of looked like when they picked it up if they can improve it and put everything club related into one company that will be a start.

 

[shmmeee]

It's not about what they have done, yes they relegated us, cut our expenditure on the squad and sold players but tell me a Football Club that isn't doing that to maintain a healthy business?

Compared to what our business model is said to of looked like when they picked it up if they can improve it and put everything club related into one company that will be a start.

Bit hard to tell what with no accounts for years, but: haven't we basically lost a consistent amount sometimes even going up after these "cost-cutting" exercises?

EDIT: 2008 losses - £8.5m 2010 losses - £3m, 2011 losses - £9.2m. What fantastic cost cutting to save our business!

And everything related to the club was in one company, until someone decided to start fucking about with it to get out of a lease. By the way, there are now double the amount of companies linked with CCFC as there were when Sisu came in.

It was CCFC Holdings and CCFC Ltd. It's now: Otium, CCFC Ltd, CCFC Holdings, SBSL, Sisu Capital and ARVO, so triple the amount.

 

[lewys33]

It's not about what they have done, yes they relegated us, cut our expenditure on the squad and sold players but tell me a Football Club that isn't doing that to maintain a healthy business?

Compared to what our business model is said to of looked like when they picked it up if they can improve it and put everything club related into one company that will be a start.

I'm sorry but personally I can't take anything you say seriously.

 

[bigfatronssba]

This situation. If our club manages to survive this nightmare which has been in the pipeline for before SISU's arrival then the club may operationally be better for the future, more sustainable and potentially better for investment. Having things a company and then other things in b company, being charged rent that was OTT and not having access to all the Football related revenue's is not the way to run this business, hopefully if SISU leave they'll leave us in a better position then the last.

We'll have no fan base in years to come.

That will be sisus legacy.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

I'm sorry but personally I can't take anything you say seriously.

Don't worry the feeling is mutual.

Usually tends to happen when you disagree with someone..

 

[RoboCCFC90]

We'll have no fan base in years to come.

That will be sisus legacy.

The club will always exist within the fans.

 

[bigfatronssba]

The club will always exist within the fans.

Where are the new fans coming from?

As for the likes of me, at least 5 years of no football, I very much doubt I will go back again on a regular basis.

In 5 years time Saturday at the football will be a distant memory, and I will have found something else to do.

 

[lewys33]

Don't worry the feeling is mutual.

Usually tends to happen when you disagree with someone..

I can take the likes of Grendel and torch, as usually they have an ounce of substance in what they are saying. But I find that I can't even debate with what you are saying, as what is there to debate? You are talking nonsense.

It's not about what they have done, yes they relegated us, cut our expenditure on the squad and sold players but tell me a Football Club that isn't doing that to maintain a healthy business?

unbelievable ..........

 

[RoboCCFC90]

I can take the likes of Grendel and torch, as usually they have an ounce of substance in what they are saying. But I find that I can't even debate with what you are saying, as what is there to debate? You are talking nonsense.



unbelievable ..........

My point for saying the quot you have highlighted is because as fans we cannot continue to look to the past and point the finger all the time, if we are to move forward then we need to look forward, cost cutting, the relegation has been a part of our clubs as with many others, but it's not the only reasons in which we have failed on the pitch.

 

[skybluefred]

Not according to FL rules.

But hey, who gives a toss about rules !!!

Certainly not the FL or FA,Or sisu the law.

 

[DaleM]

I'm starting not to give a toss anymore.Pointless arguing on here all the time. It's like a primary school playground with only a smattering of grown ups who talk a modicum of sense.

Look at it this way:-

We're doomed.

 

[skybluefred]

It's not about what they have done, yes they relegated us, cut our expenditure on the squad and sold players but tell me a Football Club that isn't doing that to maintain a healthy business?

Compared to what our business model is said to of looked like when they picked it up if they can improve it and put everything club related into one company that will be a start.

Man Utd, Man City Chelsea ETC. Six long and horrendous years ago they picked us up (was it £1 they paid Robinson plus
stealing the supporters shares with the threat of not buying CCFC)

What have they done since then? sold every asset the club had ie any player they could get money for and even took a
loan on Ryton.In return they have given us RELEGATION--Dwindling Gates--Alienated Supporters and the final IGNOMINY
of taking us to the Cobblers.

And you still trust them to improve us and put everything into one Company. You are having a laugh.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'm starting not to give a toss anymore.Pointless arguing on here all the time. It's like a primary school playground with only a smattering of grown ups who talk a modicum of sense.

Look at it this way:-

We're doomed.

Your Mum argues all the time

 

[letsallsingtogether]

How dare you stick up for Joe after all he doesn't support the club you will piss off a few with that comment.

Source? Seemed from the minutes it was as much Igwe's choice as anything and old Joe was tasked with doing the PR as was his role.