Sisu have their arses slapped again (9 Viewers)

hill83

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http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/judge-delivers-blow-sky-blues-6263237

Judge delivers blow to Sky Blues owners' efforts to challenge Coventry council's Ricoh Arena £14.4m bail out

Sisu dealt serious blow when Mr Justice Silber today rejected demands the council disclose full details of the loan agreement with stadium company







Ricoh Arena, long-time home of Coventry City FC
The owners of Coventry City Football Club have suffered a set-back in their High Court challenge to the city council’s controversial decision to ‘‘bail out’’ the operators of the Ricoh Arena to the tune of £14.4million.
Coventry have played at Northampton Town’s ground since leaving the part council-owned arena in May after rows over its £1.3m-a-year rent with the stadium’s operators, Arena Coventry Ltd (ACL).
Club owners Sisu claim the city council loan to ACL, which is co-owned by the local authority and a charity, was “unlawful state aid”, designed to “drive them out of Coventry”.
Sisu is trying to mount a judicial review challenge to the council’s move and, although its complaints were in August rejected as unarguable by a judge who reviewed the papers, it is determined to pursue the matter to a full hearing.
However, after a preliminary hearing, Mr Justice Silber today dealt Sisu a serious blow when he rejected its demands that the council disclose full details of the loan agreement with ACL, along with professional advice it received and other documents.
Insult was added to injury when Sisu was ordered to pay more than £7,000 towards the council’s legal costs.
In his ruling, the judge said it is the council’s case that, since April 2012, no rent or licence fees have been paid to ACL for use of the arena by Coventry City Football Club Ltd (CCL).
Sisu fiercely denies that, insisting that, over that period, ACL received at least £800,000 for the club’s use of the arena from a rent deposit account and under a ‘pay-per-play’ agreement.
However, on August 13 last year, ACL obtained a default judgment against CCL for payment of outstanding rent and licence fees and, on December 5, served CCL with a statutory demand for £1.1m.
The judge added that ACL had been saddled with a £15m loan with the Yorkshire Bank, secured by a mortgage over the company’s assets.
In that month, the bank wrote to ACL expressing concern over its finances and, on January 15 this year, the council decided to loan the company £14.4m so that it could repay its debt to the bank.
ACL had entered into a ‘hedging arrangement’ with the bank and the cost of escaping from that came to about £4m.
The council, which insists that it agreed to make the loan to protect the huge public investment in the stadium, says that CCL’s refusal to pay rent or licence fees to ACL exposed it to ‘significant risk’ and had a severe impact on the value of the local authority’s share-holding in the company.
The council argues that there was “a real risk” that the bank or a third party might take control of ACL, and with it the arena, if the bank sought to enforce its security, sold the debt to a third party, or tried to put ACL into administration.
However, Mr Justice Silber said it is Sisu’s case that the loan violated European competition rules and the council “has acted in bad faith and with improper motive, namely to remove the claimants (Sisu) as owners of the club”.
Sisu, which also claims that the council “exceeded the legitimate scope” of its powers and made “irrational” use of public funds, asked the court to order the council to disclose a large number of documents - including the loan agreement itself and professional accountancy and valuation advice.
The consortium said the disclosures were necessary if its arguments were to be given a fair hearing.
However, council lawyers pointed out that Sisu’s challenge had already been rejected on paper, although it is still pursuing its right to renew its application for permission to seek judicial review before a judge in open court.
Fearing that the case would get out of hand and become “excessively expensive and burdensome”, the council insisted that a disclosure order was not warranted when Sisu’s complaints had yet to be declared even arguable.
Refusing Sisu’s disclosure application, the judge said it was unheard of for such an order to be made prior to permission for a judicial review being granted.
Sisu already had enough information in its grasp to enable it to put forward “a respectable case” on most of the issues, and requiring the council to make further disclosures could not be described as “necessary”.
The full hearing of Sisu’s application for permission to mount a full challenge to the loan will take place at the High Court in the near future.
However Sisu, made up of Sky Blue Sports Ltd, Arvo Masters Fund Ltd and Coventry City Football Club (Holdings) Ltd, will now not be armed with all the documents it wanted to see.
Rhodri Thompson QC, for Sisu, earlier told the judge that the council’s decision to make the loan was “taken for the improper purpose of forcing the companies to sell the club to a buyer of the council’s choosing and as an unlawful state aid, contrary to EU law.”
The QC said the club’s income dropped from about £11m-a-year to about £5m-a-year after relegation from the Championship to the third tier of English football and it has been docked points for its parlous financial state.
Mr Thompson claimed that the council’s decision to shore up the financial position of ACL, which it owns jointly with the Higgs Charity, had “no commercial rationale” and was a misuse of public funds.
However, James Goudie QC, for the local authority, said: “The council was protecting its own interests in the circumstances in which the football club had not paid any rent since April 2012. Its investment was threatened. It was protecting its interest. It was an entirely legitimate commercial purpose.”
The barrister attacked Sisu’s disclosure bid as a “classic fishing expedition”.
 

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skybluetony176

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The barrister attacked Sisu’s disclosure bid as a “classic fishing expedition”.

funny, my gran has a gnome in her garden and for as long as i can remember she has always called it timmy and yes it has a fishing rod, which i always found strange as a kid as she doesn't have a pond. true story.
 

bigfatronssba

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Why was the QC for sisu talking about the clubs drop in income following relegation?

I fail to see what that has to do with the case at all.
 

robbiethemole

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So how many more times are SISU going to go to court and get thrown out??? have they no shame cos obviously the Judges don't view things the same way they do. Yet again a decision against them and award of costs against how much is that now???? still, they have a bottomless pit to fund ALL losses don't they??
 

Jim

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Club owners Sisu claim the city council loan to ACL, which is co-owned by the local authority and a charity, was “unlawful state aid”, designed to “drive them out of Coventry”.

This would be the loan that shored up ACL's cashflow and enabled them to make a reduced offer to SISU and thus actually should have helped 'keep them in coventry'......
 

shmmeee

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So how many more times are SISU going to go to court and get thrown out??? have they no shame cos obviously the Judges don't view things the same way they do. Yet again a decision against them and award of costs against how much is that now???? still, they have a bottomless pit to fund ALL losses don't they??

Yeah, it's called the CCFC overdraft.

No winners here I'm afraid.
 

skyblueiom

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This woman's a frickin looney tune.......surely her counsel must tell her she has no chance with all of these court cases she keeps bringing. She wastes money with the best of em (although why worry when its not your own?)

And we really want her to own the stadium?

not me, thanks.
 

skybluebal

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That's good news. Perhaps SISU might now start to believe that their appeal for a JR will be thrown out as well and they can focus on the negotiations to get CCFC back to the Ricoh.
 

CCFCSteve

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This would be the loan that shored up ACL's cashflow and enabled them to make a reduced offer to SISU and thus actually should have helped 'keep them in coventry'......

Precisely. I've also mentioned this before. Any normal tenant would've been appreciative of this (unless they had ulterior motives !). The restructuring of the debt allowed the club to offer substantially lower rent to the club, I understand as low as £150k p.a for league one...still not enough for our financially astute owners who would prefer us to play in front of 2,000 fans for the next 5 years (losing millions), building a new stadium in the area (even though there is a more than adequate one) and alienate thousands of fans (some of whom may never return).

Unless they get their hands on the stadium this would have been one of the most impressive examples of mismanagement of a football clubs ever !!! (beating their own previous efforts pre Administration) Shambolic !
 

RPHunt

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With SISU's own costs and the council's costs that is this week's gate receipts spent and for what? To be humiliated once again.

Face it SISU, no one gives you any credibility in pursuing this line of complaint. Just forget it and concentrate on the future of CCFC, whether this means returning as a tenant or making an offer to buy that is acceptable. The courts are not going to assist your grubby little scheme to get the Ricoh for nothing.
 

Ashdown1

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Been away for a couple of weeks in the sun, steered clear of all news but our results. If I could just focus on the 2 wins and a creditable away draw then I'd be a happier man but then you tune back in to SBT......................
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
and some would have you believe JS and SISU win every time they go to court:facepalm:........ seems they are like the rest of us win some lose some......
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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I can't even begin to understand how they have the legal basis to try and argue that the purpose of the loan was to 'to remove the claimants (SISU) as owners of the club'.

If what Lucas has stated this week; one of the reasons the CVA was refused by ACL's directors was so that it would encourage SISU back to the negotiating table with a view to accepting a £150K rent agreement. If that's the case, and you'd be a loon to claim that she would claim as such on a statement at this fragile time, then that's almost a 90% rent reduction; offered on the express condition the club's current owners stay.

That element seems to hold no water whatsoever.

As has been stated for a long time, I can see no reason why SISU would throw it's own money at a case questioning the appropriateness of 'investments' made from the public purse. Unless they have an unspoken sub-plot. And if you haven't figured that out by now; then that's astonishing.

And if you have figured it, and you think that using our football club is an acceptable wager in this high-profile game of poker; then shame on you
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
This isn't good news as the litigation will drag on and on.

Got a feeling fp that was always going to be the case....... if they get the freehold then there is no right to income so next stage is to remove ACL any bets that wont involve lots of expensive legal actions? If they dont get the freehold then I am sure there will be other legal challenges ......
 

James Smith

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Oops!_____
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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This isn't good news as the litigation will drag on and on.

I hope (and prey) I disagree with you. If anything, this makes it more likely the JV review will be thrown out as the laughing stock it is, and with that threat lifted, SISU realise they have to negotiate candidly. And before anyone states the obvious, I equally expect CCC/ACL to negotiate with similar clarity
 

James Smith

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Got a feeling fp that was always going to be the case....... if they get the freehold then there is no right to income so next stage is to remove ACL any bets that wont involve lots of expensive legal actions? If they dont get the freehold then I am sure there will be other legal challenges ......

ACL said in their summer statement that Joy had and I quote

ACL Statement Via Coventry Telegraph said:
"Mr Fisher has also now chosen to make factually inaccurate public statements relating to the meeting attended by Joy Seppala as well as ACL Board members on Thursday 25 July.

"It is interesting to note Mr Fisher’s failure to mention Ms Seppala’s verbal statement during this meeting, made in the presence of her own lawyers that the only circumstance in which the Club would return to the Ricoh would be upon SISU assuming full ownership of the venue without any negotiation on purchase price.

"Ms Seppala also stated at this meeting her intention to continue to threaten ACL and its shareholders with expensive litigation at every possible opportunity.


"Perhaps the fact that Mr Fisher was not himself present at this meeting has distorted his view of what was really discussed.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sp...news/coventry-city-ricoh-landlord-acl-5582877

So yes it would seem expensive litigation is the way forward for SISU :facepalm: Why can't they just pick up the phone and say can we cut a rent deal and get the club back in Coventry?
 
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fernandopartridge

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It's a funny one really. Most would probably argue that disclosure of the terms of a taxpayer underwritten loan is in the public interest but then again is contrary to ACL's commercial interests.

Perhaps the application for disclosure had more than one purpose.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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It's a funny one really. Most would probably argue that disclosure of the terms of a taxpayer underwritten loan is in the public interest but then again is contrary to ACL's commercial interests.

Perhaps the application for disclosure had more than one purpose.

Have they made the same application with regards the loan made by Northampton council to improve Sixfields? Surely that's also in the public interest?

The difference being that the CCC loan moved ACL from a perilous situation bought about in whole or part by SISU's stance over rent. Are they therefore more frustrated by the loan with regards it's moral integrity; or because it buggered up the obvious end-game they sought?

Think back over Mr Justice Males ' comments in August. It's evident he saw exactly what SISU's game was, and could see the ambition of the application for JV. Judges award according to point of law, but are coloured by the 'bigger picture' they see
 
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st john

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The judge seems to have done his homework and got a really good understanding of the situation and the history. It didn't seem that way earlier
 

bigfatronssba

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It's a funny one really. Most would probably argue that disclosure of the terms of a taxpayer underwritten loan is in the public interest but then again is contrary to ACL's commercial interests.

Perhaps the application for disclosure had more than one purpose.

Surely as long as the repayments are being made there is no argument about it being "in the public interest"?
 

duffer

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This isn't good news as the litigation will drag on and on.

To be honest, I think in terms of getting the JR done and dusted more quickly, this is probably is good news. SISU's case, which seemed fairly weak from the off, is now even weaker.

To me this makes it more likely that the whole thing will get chucked out on 28th November.

If SISU wanted a bit of good PR, for once, they could drop it all now on the grounds of showing good will for the ongoing negotiations. But I doubt they will.

The figures I dug up the other day showed that about 85% of of JR's fall at the first hurdle, as SISU's did. Of the ones that re-apply, as SISU have, an even higher percentage get chucked out again.

http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/document/cm86/8611/8611.pdf

The odds of SISU winning this, or even being able to continue with the case are pretty small. (13/2 based on the raw numbers above, I reckon; so in true bookie fashion, I'll offer 5/1) ;)

Edit: Should say that I think the true odds are a lot longer, given how dismissive of the case the first judge was. I'd want 100/1 before I stuck any money on SISU winning this.
 
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skybluetony176

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and some would have you believe JS and SISU win every time they go to court:facepalm:........ seems they are like the rest of us win some lose some......

i think her repertation is starting to go before her. was it the sisu/txe case where the judge actually questioned her versions of facts? she didn't win her litigation against blocking restructuring of welcolme breaks debts either from what i read meaning they couldn't aquire their assets.
 

GaryPendrysEyes

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Sixfieldsfan isn't going to be happy.

Interesting timing though, again weakening Sisu's alleged take it or leave it derisory offer approach....
 

Bassman

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Incidentally, just the cost of even applying for a Judicial Review will not be insignificant, and having had it rejected, SISU are currently liable for this, another reason for the appeal.

My understanding is that costs are likely to be at least £200k-£250k.
 

italiahorse

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Been away for a couple of weeks in the sun, steered clear of all news but our results. If I could just focus on the 2 wins and a creditable away draw then I'd be a happier man but then you tune back in to SBT......................

Don't tune in then, show no interest in your clubs finances, go to Sixfields to watch them play, you will be oblivious to all this crap.

One week you will turn up and CCFC will not exist.

Unfortunately this crap will go on until SISU see sense and bring us back.
We are fighting for our football team here and although powerless we can't see it happen without at least moaning about it.
 

ajsccfc

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They'd let you know ahead of time if a fixture was cancelled because one of the teams disappeared. You silly goose!
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
Not sure this rejection changes SISU's plan as such, or that it weakens their case/resolve..... certainly doesnt strengthen it though The judge will deliver judgement on the facts of the case as represented to him at the oral hearing. He will I assume have already studied the cases presented and the previous judgement.

What this latest rejection may do is to add confidence to the Council and that could make the possibility of a compromise and deal harder to achieve.

Dropping the JR would be an interesting move because that might generate some goodwill and therefore an element of compromise. Of course it would be costly because SISU would have to pick up both sides legal costs. I havent seen any evidence of compromise from SISU or any fear of the financial costs however. If dropped on the eve of the first talks I would suggest thats when such a move would have maximum PR effect but the closer it gets to the 28th the more the effect is lost. In a previous thread by NW he suggested that JS was making a statement to her investors if so dropping the case is not going to happen . So on balance i am not sure I see it happening

There is a chance SISU could succeed, although it does seem unlikely. There is also a chance they could win some part of it and that would give them encouragement to continue on. I would think either of these options would harden council opinion against compromise.

Then it comes down to who has the deeper pockets and who has the greatest financial pressure on them
 
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fernandopartridge

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Have they made the same application with regards the loan made by Northampton council to improve Sixfields? Surely that's also in the public interest?

The difference being that the CCC loan moved ACL from a perilous situation bought about in whole or part by SISU's stance over rent. Are they therefore more frustrated by the loan with regards it's moral integrity; or because it buggered up the obvious end-game they sought?

Think back over Mr Justice Males ' comments in August. It's evident he saw exactly what SISU's game was, and could see the ambition of the application for JV. Judges award according to point of law, but are coloured by the 'bigger picture' they see

I agree it is in the public interest. I'm talking from a personal point of view. I'd be interested as a taxpayer in Nhampton in the terms of that loan, particularly considering the perilous state of football and worries about NTFC's league status!
 

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