12,000 Seater stadium - Anybody happy ? (7 Viewers)
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It depends on what your plans are and how successful you feel the club is likely to be (something which is at least in part is within the owners control)
12,000 is pathetically low and suggests they would be happy on us staying in league one or struggling in the championship.
On current form I'd have been disappointed if we weren't getting 15,000 - 16,000 at the Ricoh, certainly it would be more than 12,000. In and around the play offs come the end of the season, late teens/20,000. Big one off matches in the cup and against Wolves 20,000+.
Having said all that, after 5 years in Northampton, FFP kicking in, league two/conference level, 12,000 might be a bit toppy
12,000 is pathetically low and suggests they would be happy on us staying in league one or struggling in the championship.
On current form I'd have been disappointed if we weren't getting 15,000 - 16,000 at the Ricoh, certainly it would be more than 12,000. In and around the play offs come the end of the season, late teens/20,000. Big one off matches in the cup and against Wolves 20,000+.
Having said all that, after 5 years in Northampton, FFP kicking in, league two/conference level, 12,000 might be a bit toppy
SkyBlueHomer
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Anything less than a 20k start is disgraceful. We averaged almost 11,000 last season and 15,000(taken from football league stats) year before when we got relegated.
Total lack of ambition if this figure of 12k is correct but until a site has been identified I wouldn't worry about it
Total lack of ambition if this figure of 12k is correct but until a site has been identified I wouldn't worry about it
bigfatronssba
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12k will probably be the smallest stadium the club has ever had.
Just shows the level of ambition on offer.
Just shows the level of ambition on offer.
bigfatronssba
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Its already started creeping up.
Started off as being 3 miles from the city centre (I remember Fisher saying the new site was as close as the Ricoh to town), then it become 6 miles, now 8 or possibly 9 miles.
Its not inconceivable for it to go higher.
9 miles (as the crow flies) out would cover Nuneaton, Wolvey, outskirts of Rugby, northern Leamington and Warwick, eastern edge of Knowle, and almost reaching Birmingham Airport.
That to me would not be my club.
italiahorse
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It is a mile in from the boundary at the M6.
Ideally placed.
Why do amenities need to be in the city centre?
Highfield Road was a nightmare to get away from.
italiahorse
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SISU information from Joy as one source says it's 12,000
Mileage has always been discussed. Joy I believe said that the target is 8 miles but if it's 9 then so be it.
Hardly scare stories.
For someone 'for' the new stadium you are taking a chance in going along with it and certainly burying your head in the sand.
It only needs TF in a room with a few nodding fans and he thinks he's got a plan !!!!
italiahorse
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Needs to be stopped dead in the water.
bigfatronssba
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Surely something is either in the city or it isn't?
The city of Coventry paid for its construction, I would say that made it a community asset.
bigfatronssba
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According to Kingharvest it was Fisher who made that up.
italiahorse
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People are ready to travel 35 miles in 5 years that 12 miles will be nothing to them.
dongonzalos
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No prices will sore with only 12 k in Coventry and a sniff of any success
It will be in the Coventry area, we've got a number of sites both in the north and all around the Coventry boundary. They are very, very close.
"Ideally I'd like to get exclusivity on two, simply because it gives you the right to exclusive negotiation to close them and, frankly, you don't go into the final furlong of a horse race (with one), you want to get two lined up.
"Then we'll have the whole development of the scheme, the masterplan and all the commissioning that will be required.
"On Friday, we've got the beauty parade of architects, we've got the highways consultant - we are pushing like crazy."
Fisher, who plans to bring Coventry fans on board for full consultation, added: "The model is Rotherham's New York Stadium, it's a great stadium. It's modular so it grows as the club grows.
"Attendance? Around 18,000, and I will argue that 18,000 is enough. Then if things go well over time, it grows.
"Also, all around the bottom of the site, we want to add a scheme and that is going to be where the real value is in this because there will be a mix of commercial, residential - again, depending on the final site we go with.
"And this is why I really like Rotherham United's model because it's set up so they're building a hotel, it's by the river Rother where it's designated as regeneration so built into the bottom of the stadium are retail units, cafes, you name it, it's brilliant."
"Ideally I'd like to get exclusivity on two, simply because it gives you the right to exclusive negotiation to close them and, frankly, you don't go into the final furlong of a horse race (with one), you want to get two lined up.
"Then we'll have the whole development of the scheme, the masterplan and all the commissioning that will be required.
"On Friday, we've got the beauty parade of architects, we've got the highways consultant - we are pushing like crazy."
Fisher, who plans to bring Coventry fans on board for full consultation, added: "The model is Rotherham's New York Stadium, it's a great stadium. It's modular so it grows as the club grows.
"Attendance? Around 18,000, and I will argue that 18,000 is enough. Then if things go well over time, it grows.
"Also, all around the bottom of the site, we want to add a scheme and that is going to be where the real value is in this because there will be a mix of commercial, residential - again, depending on the final site we go with.
"And this is why I really like Rotherham United's model because it's set up so they're building a hotel, it's by the river Rother where it's designated as regeneration so built into the bottom of the stadium are retail units, cafes, you name it, it's brilliant."
DazzleTommyDazzle
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Like most things on this site (and elsewhere, of course) everyone chooses the version that fits with their view of the world.
skybluefred
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skybluefred
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Or on common sense,you do not alienate your customer base and still hope to succeed.
Some on here laugh at NOPM but sisu certainly are not laughing.
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Unfortunately manipulating the evidence to fit the world view is backwards logic.
It's what swept sisu here on a wave of glory after all.
torchomatic
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Ideally it will be a large site as the plan is to have the academy next to the stadium. It has to be within 8 miles of Earl Street, although if an absolutely perfect site is found at say 9 miles then he wouldn’t expect the league to block it.
To me that doesn't say it WILL be 9 miles away. In Warwick 2 and 2 equals 4.
To me that doesn't say it WILL be 9 miles away. In Warwick 2 and 2 equals 4.
bigfatronssba
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It doesn't say it will be 8 miles either.
What it does say is it could be 9.
Don't you think its wise to consider the worst case scenario?
Or let me put it another way, if its 9 miles out of Cov then for me (and a large part of our support) its a relocation. That being the case, do you not think that now is the time we as fans inform Fisher that 9 miles isn't acceptable?
Or would you prefer to do things in the CCFC style of signing the contracts for the ground and then deciding its not suitable?
torchomatic
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All I'm saying is that despite people saying everything he spouts is lies it doesn't stop them from picking up on things they particularly disagree with and trying to peddle it as "truth".
I remember when the Jaguar Arena was going to have a sliding pitch and a sliding roof and be the new International stadium to rival Wembley.
EDIT: Apologies, didn't read all of it. I don't think we need to inform him that 9 miles is unacceptable until we know it IS 9 miles and until we know it IS going to be built. We may as well pick a town on the map and picket there and say we disagree with the move there too. It's all conjecture and dare I say scaremongering.
I remember when the Jaguar Arena was going to have a sliding pitch and a sliding roof and be the new International stadium to rival Wembley.
EDIT: Apologies, didn't read all of it. I don't think we need to inform him that 9 miles is unacceptable until we know it IS 9 miles and until we know it IS going to be built. We may as well pick a town on the map and picket there and say we disagree with the move there too. It's all conjecture and dare I say scaremongering.
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bigfatronssba
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I agree its probably all nonsense, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if he's using it as leverage against the council. A stadium within a mile of the city boundary will still bring in economic benefits to the city, 8 miles away the benefits will be almost zero.
Also I'm not talking about protesting, just those fans who met Fisher should have told him not to bother looking that far out.
He claims he wants to involve the fans on this, so if he is currently looking at sites, should he not be involving them now?
mark82
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I wouldn't have a problem with the 2 sites I am aware of being mentioned:- Brandon and Near Warwick Uni. Ryton would be ok presumably too. Everyone is quite happy with the training ground being there.
12k is too small though. Should be at least the size of Highfield Road expandable to at least the size of the Ricoh.
12k is too small though. Should be at least the size of Highfield Road expandable to at least the size of the Ricoh.
bigfatronssba
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I just find it ironic how some claim the Ricoh is too far out but Ryton or Brandon isn't. (Not saying that you personally are doing that)
torchomatic
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Well, it's horses for courses, isn't it? If you come from Whitley then Ryton would be great, wouldn't it? If you're on the other side of the City then it wouldn't. Wherever the site is (and I'm including the Ricoh in this) then it's always going to be more difficult for some than others.
That's why HR was perfect. Slap bang in the middle.
That's why HR was perfect. Slap bang in the middle.
hill83
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And I could see the back of the west terrace from my old bedroom window.
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Les Reid said:
So... has anybody asked Les Reid (given they are his words) whether this is direct from the horse's mouth, or his speculation?
stupot07
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The m6 isn't the boundary. It's by a couple of hundred yards by leeks. All the fields behind leeks are warwickshire county county land.
http://www.coventry.gov.uk/info/100003/in_my_area/1472/boundary_maps/6
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse and spelling or grammar errors
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You'd admit it's slightly concerning that your sentence can run together thusly, be taken out of context... yet still be potentially talking about the future!
Boundaries in themselves aren't an issue, it's only the most anally retentive that bothers about a few hundred feet... once we start buggering off completely however...!
Skyblueweeman
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I think there's confusion with some on here (me included sometimes).
Some are saying that we shouldn't go to a stadium 9 miles out of town as we don't go to a stadium over 34 miles way. The difference being that the stadium over 30 miles away isn't ours but the stadium 9 miles away (if every built) would be owned by CCFC. The size is a different matter (what I tell the missus....).
On that note, the Ricoh is too big although I'd be delighted if we were back there. 12,000 isn't enough though. Something the size of HR would actually be ideal.
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Some are saying that we shouldn't go to a stadium 9 miles out of town as we don't go to a stadium over 34 miles way. The difference being that the stadium over 30 miles away isn't ours but the stadium 9 miles away (if every built) would be owned by CCFC. The size is a different matter (what I tell the missus....).
On that note, the Ricoh is too big although I'd be delighted if we were back there. 12,000 isn't enough though. Something the size of HR would actually be ideal.
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Grendel
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It won't happen anyway but actually 12,000 is a good idea. Why? Well for once youse have a situation that demand outstrips supply and any industry tells you this is an ideal way of controlling business.
No discounted tickets
No free tickets
Premium pricing
No need for huge discounts to season ticket holders
The revenue would easily be worth more than 16,000 at the Ricoh - easily.
No discounted tickets
No free tickets
Premium pricing
No need for huge discounts to season ticket holders
The revenue would easily be worth more than 16,000 at the Ricoh - easily.
bigfatronssba
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Not sure why they don't take that attitude now to be honest and put the price up.
The 1500 or so that go to sixfields would go anyway.
The reason the rest of us won't go has nothing to do with the price.
Grendel
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This is of course an embarrasing attempt at a comeback.
Newcastle regularly sell out their stadium. The argument would be valid if the stadium currently had a capacity of 80,000.
Even when the club were attraction 22,000 into the crowd turnover on ticket sales was around £5.2 million I believe. This equated to around £10 a ticket. If the club could get £20 a ticket 12,000 every week would be the same.