ACL out protest (10 Viewers)

[Rusty Trombone]

Imagine you have a job. You are skilled and the job is a good fit with you.

However, for some reason the boss doesn't like you. They put unrealistic demands on you and life becomes unpleasant. So much so that you can't carry on working there and resign due to the bosses unreasonable behaviour.

You file a case against the company for constructive dismissal. Isn't this where SISU (you) and ACL/CCC (boss) are AT&T he moment?

Some of the house analogies were bad, the shop one was worse, but this one wins the award for the worst yet.

 

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[MichaelCCFC]

Tesco are doing alright with their sales, but they still had the cheek to sell me a big bag of Minstrels for £1.50, they surely don't need the money, they can survive without me, what is their motivation for selling me these?

When Tesco have a memorial garden for the ashes of former customers you can then compare ccfc with a supermarket. Until then, the comparison ignores the politics and complexities of the ccfc situation. As I said previously, pro acl posters make as little sense as pro sisu ones. No one seems to be able to offer a good reason for acl hosting this beyond making some money (in which case is this going to be a big money earner? seems doubtful) or else they are desperate for every penny (the pro acl people deny this) - so what is the motive for hosting the game?

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Because they will have a contract with the manufacturer to retail their product range -- that response by your standards is pretty dumb.

I wasn't trying to state that all the contracts involved within Tesco's chocolate sales were the same as hiring a football pitch out, merely that a business will try and get more sales/money, even if they don't need it. This seemed to be a concept that needed explaining. Sorry to have disapointed you, I will try harder.

 

[Astute]

The pro acl posters on here make as little sense as the pro sisu ones. ACL have consistently said they can survive without ccfc. Is Leicester v Man U going to be a big earner? If acl don't need the money what is the motivation for hosting this?

I am not pro ACL. I am anti SISU because of what they are doing to my football club just so they can make their investors money. If they started running our club properly they would begrudgingly get my backing. I would back them but never trust them.

What is wrong with football matches being played at the Ricoh. It is what it was built for. SISU don't want our club to play there. It isn't ideal having a under 21 side not from our city playing there but at least it isn't a first team. That would be the time to worry.

SISU haven't paid any rent for two years now. Why should it be mothballed until they decide to negotiate?

 

[Rusty Trombone]

When Tesco have a memorial garden for the ashes of former customers you can then compare ccfc with a supermarket. Until then, the comparison ignores the politics and complexities of the ccfc situation. As I said previously, pro acl posters make as little sense as pro sisu ones. No one seems to be able to offer a good reason for acl hosting this beyond making some money (in which case is this going to be a big money earner? seems doubtful) or else they are desperate for every penny (the pro acl people deny this) - so what is the motive for hosting the game?

See my response to Grendel, surely you understand that a business will try and make more money than it needs to break even. I wasn't comparing ccfc to Tesco, I was replying to you about ACL, but your concerns about Tesco's memorial gardens are duly noted.

 

[lewys33]

When Tesco have a memorial garden for the ashes of former customers you can then compare ccfc with a supermarket. Until then, the comparison ignores the politics and complexities of the ccfc situation. As I said previously, pro acl posters make as little sense as pro sisu ones. No one seems to be able to offer a good reason for acl hosting this beyond making some money (in which case is this going to be a big money earner? seems doubtful) or else they are desperate for every penny (the pro acl people deny this) - so what is the motive for hosting the game?

There is no realistic defense. The 1st game was a one-off due to weather, but why the 2nd? Is it the same reason?

covpete is hardly fighting the corner well though is he?

 

[ccfcway]

can anyone give any financial evidence that would disprove that SISU should return to the ricoh on a short term rent deal until legoland is built in nuneaton ?

ACL and the council would talk about this, yet SISU wont. In my eyes, thats what makes SISU more "at fault" for CCFC being in Northampton than any other party

 

[lewys33]

can anyone give any financial evidence that would disprove that SISU should return to the ricoh on a short term rent deal until legoland is built in nuneaton ?

ACL and the council would talk about this, yet SISU wont

1. that would be giving ACL money
2. JR

 

[Rusty Trombone]

can anyone give any financial evidence that would disprove that SISU should return to the ricoh on a short term rent deal until legoland is built in nuneaton ?

ACL and the council would talk about this, yet SISU wont. In my eyes, thats what makes SISU more "at fault" for CCFC being in Northampton than any other party

No one can. The only defence given is that they don't trust ACL, this is a good defence because it doesn't require any evidence to back it up. A bit like when you phone in sick with a headache, in fact I feel one coming on.

 

[Grendel]

The pro acl posters on here make as little sense as the pro sisu ones. ACL have consistently said they can survive without ccfc. Is Leicester v Man U going to be a big earner? If acl don't need the money what is the motivation for hosting this?

The real annoyance for me is the subsidised parking - it's OK to charge Coventry supporters £10 but £3 is fine if you are from Leicester.

 

[lewys33]

What is wrong with football matches being played at the Ricoh. It is what it was built for. SISU don't want our club to play there. It isn't ideal having a under 21 side not from our city playing there but at least it isn't a first team. That would be the time to worry.

I agree, however with it being Leicester it does leave a sour taste.

I would rather thry let under 21s and academys play there than do a big deal with a big rugby club or alike as that leaves us little or no chance of returning!

 

[Grendel]

can anyone give any financial evidence that would disprove that SISU should return to the ricoh on a short term rent deal until legoland is built in nuneaton ?

ACL and the council would talk about this, yet SISU wont. In my eyes, thats what makes SISU more "at fault" for CCFC being in Northampton than any other party

The minimum lease is 10 years and that was what was proposed.

 

[lewys33]

The real annoyance for me is the subsidised parking - it's OK to charge Coventry supporters £10 but £3 is fine if you are from Leicester.

you have to pay to watch top quality

 

[ccfcway]

The minimum lease is 10 years and that was what was proposed.

really ?. I didnt know that. Is there anywhere that suggests that ? as if there is, surely we could lobby to get this on a year by year basis ?

 

[ccfcway]

The real annoyance for me is the subsidised parking - it's OK to charge Coventry supporters £10 but £3 is fine if you are from Leicester.

Isnt that exactly the same as parking in cov town centre on a sat for £1 an hour and yet its 50p all day on a sunday ?

Surely thats just supply and demand ?

 

[Rusty Trombone]

The minimum lease is 10 years and that was what was proposed.

Do you think the new ground will be built in the next ten years?

 

[Grendel]

Isnt that exactly the same as parking in cov town centre on a sat for £1 an hour and yet its 50p all day on a sunday ?

Surely thats just supply and demand ?

Er....no basic economy of scale means it should be cheaper when fuller, unless like me you agree ACL treat the Coventry public like shit and will rip them off at every opportunity.

 

[Grendel]

really ?. I didnt know that. Is there anywhere that suggests that ? as if there is, surely we could lobby to get this on a year by year basis ?

Football League rules are that the lease if full time has to be a minimum of 10 years

 

[ccfcway]

Football League rules are that the lease if full time has to be a minimum of 10 years

how come the Northampton one isnt then ?

 

[ccfcway]

Er....no basic economy of scale means it should be cheaper when fuller, unless like me you agree ACL treat the Coventry public like shit and will rip them off at every opportunity.

So to park at Wembley, or Old Trafford on match day must be very cheap then ?

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Er....no basic economy of scale means it should be cheaper when fuller, unless like me you agree ACL treat the Coventry public like shit and will rip them off at every opportunity.

How much did the club charge for parking in their spaces?

 

[Hobo]

Re Leicester U 21 games in Coventry. Why is it ACLs fault, they have a stadium to rent out.

I don't agree with us playing at Sixfields but I don't blame Northampton. If someone says can we rent your stadium it is up to them, but they aren't to blame. It is SISU who have took us to Northampton and it is Leicester who have brought their U 21s to Coventry. Suggest you barrack Leicester for that.

 

[ccfcway]

Football League rules are that the lease if full time has to be a minimum of 10 years

so, this hadnt come from CCC or ACL then, its just part of the FL rules, which they have proven can be "adjusted"

 

[Astute]

The minimum lease is 10 years and that was what was proposed.

But the FL have been bending the rules for SISU so I can't see it being a problem now. They would be as happy as us to see our club back in Coventry.

 

[Grendel]

So to park at Wembley, or Old Trafford on match day must be very cheap then ?

I didn't say they gave a fuck about the paying public either so I don't know. I doubt that Old Trafford would offer cheaper parking to Man City if they hosted a game for them, do you?

 

[ccfcway]

Re Leicester U 21 games in Coventry. Why is it ACLs fault, they have a stadium to rent out.

I don't agree with us playing at Sixfields but I don't blame Northampton.t.

I do. They are nowhere near as bad as SISU, but their chairman has certainly played his part.

 

[ccfcway]

I didn't say they gave a fuck about the paying public either so I don't know. I doubt that Old Trafford would offer cheaper parking to Man City if they hosted a game for them, do you?

hang on, you said "Er....no basic economy of scale means it should be cheaper when fuller"

 

[ccfcway]

I doubt that Old Trafford would offer cheaper parking to Man City if they hosted a game for them, do you?

I can be pretty confident to say that should Old Trafford ever host a Man City Under 21 game, it would be cheaper to park near the ground than it would be for a Man Utd 1st team game. You dont agree ?

 

[Grendel]

so, this hadnt come from CCC or ACL then, its just part of the FL rules, which they have proven can be "adjusted"

But the FL have been bending the rules for SISU so I can't see it being a problem now. They would be as happy as us to see our club back in Coventry.

I thought it was generally accepted that the CVA depended on two conditions;

10 year lease
Stop the Judicial Review

 

[Grendel]

I can be pretty confident to say that should Man Utd ever host a Man City Under 21 game at Old Trafford, it would be cheaper to park near the ground than it would be for a Man Utd 1st team game. You dont agree ?

No I don't actually.

 

[italiahorse]

Er....no basic economy of scale means it should be cheaper when fuller, unless like me you agree ACL treat the Coventry public like shit and will rip them off at every opportunity.

So they should charge £3 for concerts when people are prepared to pay £20 and all the car parks at the stadium and around are full?
Don't sound good business to me !

No matter how you package it, it's supply and demand.

 

[mark82]

I can be pretty confident to say that should Old Trafford ever host a Man City Under 21 game, it would be cheaper to park near the ground than it would be for a Man Utd 1st team game. You dont agree ?

Big flaw in that is that it would never happen in the first place.

 

[ccfcway]

No I don't actually.

I used to drive to Cov games at HR, and it was a darn site more expensive to park on match days than it was for reserve games !

But you know that, you just want to keep up the arguement for some reason

 

[Grendel]

So they should charge £3 for concerts when people are prepared to pay £20 and all the car parks at the stadium and around are full?
Don't sound good business to me !

No matter how you package it, it's supply and demand.

No it isn't. In that case they would have doubled the price for the Crewe JPT game - Did they?

 

[ccfcway]

Big flaw in that is that it would never happen in the first place.

It might be possible, ie "final of FA youth cup etc",