What have SISU have done to Coventry City (28 Viewers)

[mark82]

Do you think those staying away are damaging the quality of the team?

Yes, almost certainly. But people having a go at those attending is getting boring now. There are many legitimate reasons for them going, so just leave each to their own. It is not having any impact on the success or failure of the more widespread boycott.

 

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[mark82]

Problem is that SISU's approach, more than their actions as such, is what has alienated fans and the other key stakeholders - without those, the club has no chance of succeeding. SISU's "negotation" tactics may work in the world of cut throat property and high finance, but it's just had the effect of getting the council disgruntled and disengaged.

The performance yesterday and our general position as a club is the price we are paying for the aggressive behaviour of our proprietors.

I think we as fans also need to shoulder some blame. Attendances at the Ricoh were poor and made the situation there untenable. Not saying Sisu are not at fault but everyone needs to take a look at what has happened the last few years.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Yes, almost certainly. But people having a go at those attending is getting boring now. There are many legitimate reasons for them going, so just leave each to their own. It is not having any impact on the success or failure of the more widespread boycott.

I'm not having a go at anyone. I would just like people to accept the responsibility of their actions.

Those of us who don't go are inadvertently damaging the quality of the team.

Those that do go are inadvertently supporting the move.

 

[bigfatronssba]

I think we as fans also need to shoulder some blame. Attendances at the Ricoh were poor and made the situation there untenable. Not saying Sisu are not at fault but everyone needs to take a look at what has happened the last few years.

You think 15k for a struggling championship team is poor?

 

[RoboCCFC90]

was that not Rob? Does he not post on here?

What's the username of the person your thinking of?


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[torchomatic]

You think 15k for a struggling championship team is poor?

What about the 5K who turned up for Burton? Or the 6K for Arlesey? I wonder where everyone was at those games?

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[RoboCCFC90]

What about the 5K who turned up for Burton? Or the 6K for Arlesey? I wonder where everyone was at those games?

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I can tell you mate where they weren't the Ricoh...

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[bigfatronssba]

You mean the 5k against Burton which was the second biggest crowd of the round?

Anyway, I'm sure you well know it's the average that's important.

If your going to start quoting individual games then I can just throw the Crewe game back at you.

 

[stupot07]

What about the 5K who turned up for Burton? Or the 6K for Arlesey? I wonder where everyone was at those games?

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I was there!!


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[torchomatic]

You mean the 5k against Burton which was the second biggest crowd of the round?

Anyway, I'm sure you well know it's the average that's important.

If your going to start quoting individual games then I can just throw the Crewe game back at you.

Please do. A perfect example of our support and how they view ccfc.

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[Astute]

Swansea would be bankrupt

I trust sisu as much as the council with our club - not very much

Many clubs are owned by holding companies. Any owner not suggesting this would be an idiot

The next remark straight from the Mucas book of business suggests if this is true no business has ever made it happen in the history of the world. Hard to believe.

Most clubs don't own their own ground. Why are they not all bankrupt but Swansea would be?

So you don't trust SISU but say that the Ricoh should be handed to them?

So what hedge funds have ever got council properties for well under value before?

And back to the questions you missed

You say that the Ricoh should be handed to CCFC. Sod the council, taxpayer and charity. Yet Timothy has admitted that our club wouldn't own the Ricoh. It would be owned by a hedge fund. So how could it be handed over to CCFC?

Who should pay off all the contracts that SISU want getting rid of before getting the freehold for next to nothing?

What have SISU ever done for our club? And don't bother trying to say that they saved us from administration.

What do they have to do to our club before you notice that they don't give a f #ck about our club or us fans?

 

[bigfatronssba]

Please do. A perfect example of our support and how they view ccfc.

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Considering you harp on about how its your right to go to sixfields etc, your very judgemental about your fellow fans aren't you?

 

[spider_ricoh]

To cut a long story short, CCFC was just the wrong investment for SISU. They didn't do their research properly and fell for a lot of flannel by Ray Ranson.

They are temperamentally unsuited to managing the kind of relationships with fans, local government etc that are key to any football club succeeding.

Unless the losses by CCFC are being used to write off tax elsewhere, I can see no advantage to SISU to keep throwing good money after bad.

Putting aside all the mostly justifiable), the business facts tell me they should just pack up and leave.

 

[ccfcway]

I went to Nuneaton today, 2000 Luton there. Scary that Nuneaton are only 2 promotions away from City. Or put it another way City are only 2 relegations away from Nuneaton.

or to put it another way CCFC are 5 points off going down to League 2. Nuneaton are in play off contention to go up to League 2.

CCFC v Nuneaton could happen this year !

 

[Astute]

or to put it another way CCFC are 5 points off going down to League 2. Nuneaton are in play off contention to go up to League 2.

CCFC v Nuneaton could happen this year !

And two clubs a few miles apart having to play 34 miles away.

 

[torchomatic]

It is my right to go to Sixfields and I don't really care if no one agrees with it. I'm also perfectly in my right to say to the missing thousands, where were you when we needed you? Why didn't you turn up to all those other games at the Ricoh? "yeah but, football under Coleman is shit", "yeah but, we sell all our best players", etc etc etc.

Oh, they're very vocal now, aren't they? But you can see from the amount who have signed the petition, most of them couldn't give a fuck. They only miss us because there's seemingly little chance of seeing a Premier team every now and then. Of course, they're totally in their rights too.

Bit of a stalemate really.

Considering you harp on about how its your right to go to sixfields etc, your very judgemental about your fellow fans aren't you?

 

[shmmeee]

I think we as fans also need to shoulder some blame. Attendances at the Ricoh were poor and made the situation there untenable. Not saying Sisu are not at fault but everyone needs to take a look at what has happened the last few years.

Fuck me, talk about battered wife syndrome! "It our fault really".

No. No. No. No.

Sisu took over a most able Championship side with near 20k attendances and turned us into a bottom half L1 side with 3k attendances.

Customers go up when the product improves. They do down when the quality decreases.

It's the job of the owner to maintain quality or even improve it while keeping the club afloat.

Frankly of all our owners Sisu have failed the most spectacularly at the and deserve every bit of credit for it.

 

[shmmeee]

It is my right to go to Sixfields and I don't really care if no one agrees with it. I'm also perfectly in my right to say to the missing thousands, where were you when we needed you? Why didn't you turn up to all those other games at the Ricoh? "yeah but, football under Coleman is shit", "yeah but, we sell all our best players", etc etc etc.

Oh, they're very vocal now, aren't they? But you can see from the amount who have signed the petition, most of them couldn't give a fuck. They only miss us because there's seemingly little chance of seeing a Premier team every now and then. Of course, they're totally in their rights too.

Bit of a stalemate really.

Yes it's your right. Just like its my right to buy from large multinationals that abuse their workers.

However you don't have a right to be protected from all the nasty people pointing out the consequences of your actions.

Admit you don't give two shits about your Primark tshirt being made by child labour, or buy elsewhere.

I understand your stance originally. But frankly your attitude towards other fans since is disgusting.

 

[Steve.B50]

Must agree with your reply Shemmeee

 

[chiefdave]

Frankly that's bullshit. Swansea effectively were handed a free stadium full matchday revenues and 30% of a management company. They would happily pay management fees its a massive competitive advantage they were given.

That's all well and good but we were handed full match day revenues and 50% of a management company (operating a £113m complex as opposed to Swansea's £27m stadium). We then sold the that 50% on and didn't ever bother to buy that share back!

We all know the rent was too high but we are told that is the deal the club wanted at the time. It's also not the offer on the table now. That's before you even consider the much stronger negotiating position we'd be in if we owned 50% of the company setting the rent.

 

[mark82]

Fuck me, talk about battered wife syndrome! "It our fault really".

No. No. No. No.

Sisu took over a most able Championship side with near 20k attendances and turned us into a bottom half L1 side with 3k attendances.

Customers go up when the product improves. They do down when the quality decreases.

It's the job of the owner to maintain quality or even improve it while keeping the club afloat.

Frankly of all our owners Sisu have failed the most spectacularly at the and deserve every bit of credit for it.

Southampton, Leeds, Forest, Leicester, Man City, Norwich. All clubs of a similar size (ok, Leeds are maybe a bit bigger) managed to maintain crowds through bad times.

Sisu are massively at fault, but the ficleness of the Coventry City fan has also cost us. If crowds stayed at 16-17k could sisu have moved us? Could they be talking about a new 12k stadium?

 

[torchomatic]

I don't shop in Primark. Really, I don't think you or anyone else on here is in the position to judge with some of the stuff you've come out with.

So, I disgust you? I'll get over it.

Yes it's your right. Just like its my right to buy from large multinationals that abuse their workers.

However you don't have a right to be protected from all the nasty people pointing out the consequences of your actions.

Admit you don't give two shits about your Primark tshirt being made by child labour, or buy elsewhere.

I understand your stance originally. But frankly your attitude towards other fans since is disgusting.

 

[rondog1973]

What about the 5K who turned up for Burton? Or the 6K for Arlesey? I wonder where everyone was at those games?

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Erm....they're not Championship games, they're cup games.

 

[torchomatic]

Makes no difference. The support for the majority of time we were there was rubbish.

Erm....they're not Championship games, they're cup games.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Your right we had shit support while at the Ricoh and Highfield Road

What a Genius masterstroke by our owners to move us to Northampton wonder why our other owners had never thought of that?

Makes no difference. The support for the majority of time we were there was rubbish.

 

[mark82]

This is just turning into the same argument that is on here day after day.

 

[torchomatic]

Who said it was a masterstroke? It was fucking stupid obviously, but don't try and kid yourself that it was perfect before that.

Your right we had shit support while at the Ricoh and Highfield Road

What a Genius masterstroke by our owners to move us to Northampton wonder why our other owners had never thought of that?

 

[torchomatic]

Agreed. However, it's easier to have a go at each other rather than SISU as we don't get answers from them do we?

This is just turning into the same argument that is on here day after day.

 

[rondog1973]

Makes no difference. The support for the majority of time we were there was rubbish.

You were responding to a post by bigfatronssba in which he questioned if another poster thought 15k attendances was poor for a Championship club, so yes, it does make a difference.

 

[torchomatic]

OK, have it your way. The support has still been piss poor for years. A fact you can't escape from.

You were responding to a post by bigfatronssba in which he questioned if another poster thought 15k attendances was poor for a Championship club, so yes, it does make a difference.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Please provide one post where you have blamed sisu before the council? After all you defended the rent not being paid on more then one occation so yes you have defended their actions?

Shame they sold any player of any caliber
Shame they split the fans
Shame they moved us away.
Shame they never listened to the fans.
And the biggest shame is that they treated us like we were all stupid.

They came here to make money with no care about what happened to CCFC.

Doesn't matter anymore as the Council cannot be blamed for what is happening in Northampton as they have no say in what goes on there.

Shame you cannot see that all Sisu wanted from the off was the Ricoh not a problem to me just the way they went about it is.

Please provide one post where I have defended sisu's actions.

 

[bigfatronssba]

OK, have it your way. The support has still been piss poor for years. A fact you can't escape from.

So do you think 15k is poor for a Championship club in the relegation zone the whole season? Yes or No?

 

[Grendel]

So do you think 15k is poor for a Championship club in the relegation zone the whole season? Yes or No?

By the standards if teams of similar size its very poor.

 

[ccfc92]

By the standards if teams of similar size its very poor.

don't Sheff UTD get around 18k plus?

and they share a city with Wednesday

 

[bigfatronssba]

By the standards if teams of similar size its very poor.

The size of other clubs is irrelevant to be honest.

15k is more than enough fans to compete at championship level.

Relegation season:

1 West Ham United 32977
2 Southampton 26419
3 Derby County 26020
4 Leeds United 23282
5 Leicester City 23080
6 Cardiff City 22139
7 Nottingham Forest 21969
8 Brighton & Hove Albion 20027
9 Birmingham City 19516
10 Reading 19219
11 Hull City 18790
12 Ipswich Town 18266
13 Middlesbrough 17557
14 Crystal Palace 15219
15 Coventry City 15119
16 Portsmouth 15015
17 Burnley 14048
18 Bristol City 13845
19 Blackpool 12808
20 Watford 12703
21 Millwall 11484
22 Barnsley 10329
23 Doncaster Rovers 9341
24 Peterborough United 9110


Attendence is only relative to the teams around you. In that respect we were a mid table supported championship team.