Proposal from Sky Blue Trust Members Meeting: Support CCFC Ladies on 16th March (12 Viewers)

[RoboCCFC90]

The ladies team have played other games at the Ricoh this season.

I know that's what I said, against Brighton and Cardiff.

 

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[lamtara2006]

The problem is Zam and I mentioned this the first time CCLFC played at the Ricoh, has there ever been any public backing from the Trust or elsewhere for people to support CCLFC at the Oval? No. Yet the moment they play at the Ricoh the Trust is up in arms trying to get people to go and see them because it's at the Ricoh this whole thread, the whole idea has nothing to do with CCLFC IMO, it's all to do with the Ricoh and making a scene, ashbyjan is online now so I am happy for him to correct me if I am wrong and all all the other points I have made on this thread.

There is a clear difference between the Ricoh & the Oval. The former is in Coventry and there are significant numbers would like to watch a Coventry City side playing in Coventry. Is that so unreasonable?

 

[RoboCCFC90]

There is a clear difference between the Ricoh & the Oval. The former is in Coventry and there are significant numbers would like to watch a Coventry City side playing in Coventry. Is that so unreasonable?

No but it's not like CCLFC have been forced out of Coventry like CCFC and still bares the City's name, I also don't see the point why the Ricoh would make any odds, this game could have been played at St Andrews, Villa Park, Molienuex, under different circumstances.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Every fan wants us back in Coventry!!!!

What I want to know is WHEN the sky blues trust is going to start putting pressure on ACL/CCC and WHY they haven't done it already.

It takes two to tango in this predicament and all their focus seems to be at the football club.

Why is there no pressure being put on the council and acl. As it nick said earlier. It all looks very one sided and you people wander why Labovitch is asking about the trusts involvement with ACL/CCC

What sort of pressure should the Trust try to apply? The owners of the club have turned down an offer that would be very financially lucrative to the club on a short term basis, this indicates to me that they aren't interested in coming back on anything other than the terms they have previously stated, basically the freehold. ACL can't give them that as it isn't theirs, so what do you want the Council to do?

 

[Bennets Afro]

The club would accept a 125 year lease if it could take control of ACL (which is what was agreed before ACL/CCC decided to back the wrong horse in haskell and co).

This would protect the stadium from Sisu having the freehold on it and the club will be back at the Ricoh and with a proper stadium management company running the Ricoh, instead of a failing "let's play at running a stadium" company which operates at the minute

This is what pressure should be put on ACL/CCC to do a deal with the club to bring us home

 

[Nick]

So your comment before lamtara:



Is not an attempt to highlight the opportunity of getting more fans at the Ricoh than there would be at Sixfields to prove a point?

If so I apologise, one question if so why has the Trust not promoted CCLFC games previously?

Quite a clear attempt to highlight that.

Thanks to Jan for clearing it up and distancing the trust from any protest.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Robbo - I have no idea how many the Ladies have played at the Ricoh since the start of the season - they approached us and asked if we would help promote this match as it is a big cup tie for them, they need money and bums on seats gives them money so we agreed to promote the match. Its their decision to play it at the Ricoh not ours, they believe they will get a bigger turnout there than in Bedworth, they have done the maths on the profitability. I know they are not promoting any protest and neither are we. We are trying to keep lines of communication open with the club as we feel that talking and trying to get them to understand the fans point of view is still the best way to go - protests are a way of venting frustration and making people feel better about things for a short time but their effectiveness is often questionable. We will keep trying to talk with SISU, CCFC, ACL, CCC etc and we won't be afraid to criticize any side we feel is not acting in the interests of our members and the clubs supporters in general.

Just so you know ashbyjan to my memory there have been two previous games at the Ricoh this season CCLFC, one against Brighton and the following game against Cardiff.

They probably will get a bigger turnout at the Ricoh and I appreciate that from there point of view, I apologise if you feel I have wrongly accused for promoting this game for the wrong reasons, however you've not promoted their games beforehand at the Bedworth Oval, yet the moment they jump to the Ricoh it's chance as lamtara said "get more fans there, then at Sixfields" seems strange.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

The club would accept a 125 year lease if it could take control of ACL (which is what was agreed before ACL/CCC decided to back the wrong horse in haskell and co).

This would protect the stadium from Sisu having the freehold on it and the club will be back at the Ricoh and with a proper stadium management company running the Ricoh, instead of a failing "let's play at running a stadium" company which operates at the minute

This is what pressure should be put on ACL/CCC to do a deal with the club to bring us home

Sounds easy enough, I'm glad SISU will 'accept' a long lease (is this the same as paying for it?). So, just to be clear, what exactly is the pressure that the Trust needs to apply?

 

[Bennets Afro]

To do a deal with the club. ACL/CCC refuse to budge, but nothing is said about what ACL/CCC could be doing to bring the club home.

It's all about the club accepting a rental deal which is never gonna happen

 

[wingy]

Just so you know ashbyjan to my memory there have been two previous games at the Ricoh this season CCLFC, one against Brighton and the following game against Cardiff.

They probably will get a bigger turnout at the Ricoh and I appreciate that from there point of view, I apologise if you feel I have wrongly accused for promoting this game for the wrong reasons, however you've not promoted their games beforehand at the Bedworth Oval, yet the moment they jump to the Ricoh it's chance as lamtara said "get more fans there, then at Sixfields" seems strange.

Its a free country as we are often told ,No one who goes to this ae likely to go to the other game ,where's there a problem ,Why don't you all do what you should and ask Cov Ladies why they are playing there ?

 

[lamtara2006]

So your comment before lamtara:



Is not an attempt to highlight the opportunity of getting more fans at the Ricoh than there would be at Sixfields to prove a point?

If so I apologise, one question if so why has the Trust not promoted CCLFC games previously?

No argument on wanting to prove the point that more Coventry fans would be prepared to watch a decent game of football in Coventry than at Northampton. But I have been at pains to point out that this was a consensus of Trust members in the meeting - a decent turnout but a minority of members - and it is not an official Trust Board position. Nonetheless, many of us think it is a good idea and that included people who go to Sixfields and representatives of CCLFC who were also in attendance. By the way, Jan was not at the meeting so no 'blame' attaches to him.

 

[wingy]

Quite a clear attempt to highlight that.

Thanks to Jan for clearing it up and distancing the trust from any protest.

So What ?/

 

[Nick]

No argument on wanting to prove the point that more Coventry fans would be prepared to watch a decent game of football in Coventry than at Northampton. But I have been at pains to point out that this was a consensus of Trust members in the meeting - a decent turnout but a minority of members - and it is not an official Trust Board position. Nonetheless, many of us think it is a good idea and that included people who go to Sixfields and representatives of CCLFC who were also in attendance. By the way, Jan was not at the meeting so no 'blame' attaches to him.

If it isn't official trust stuff then fair play, if it is just a group of trust members arranging something then it is different.

 

[Nick]

So What ?/

People moan about the club accusing the trust of being sided with acl, they get outraged. Then a week later this happens which is why jan is doing the right thing in distancing the trust.

 

[wingy]

People moan about the club accusing the trust of being sided with acl, they get outraged. Then a week later this happens which is why jan is doing the right thing in distancing the trust.

Like I said ,why not address the question to the people who have moved the game to the RICOH and sought promotion from another source ,Is It not them trying to exploit the position CCFC finds Itself In??

 

[lamtara2006]

Just so you know ashbyjan to my memory there have been two previous games at the Ricoh this season CCLFC, one against Brighton and the following game against Cardiff.

They probably will get a bigger turnout at the Ricoh and I appreciate that from there point of view, I apologise if you feel I have wrongly accused for promoting this game for the wrong reasons, however you've not promoted their games beforehand at the Bedworth Oval, yet the moment they jump to the Ricoh it's chance as lamtara said "get more fans there, then at Sixfields" seems strange.

The two Ladies games I have been to at the Ricoh were against Lewes and Stoke City. The point - I repeat from an earlier post - is the difference between watching a Coventry City team home game in COVENTRY against anywhere outside the City - nothing against Bedworth or Northampton as such, just the clue is in the name 'Coventry City'. I would happily watch the Ladies at (say) Sphinx Drive if the timing was convenient. Loads of us won't go into Sixfields under any circumstances and I doubt very much that those who do go will change their position, so any of us that attend the Ricoh game are not taking attendance away from CCFC - we are however helping CCLFC and [maybe] making a valid point about where we want to watch our football.

 

[Grendel]

Every fan wants us back in Coventry!!!!

What I want to know is WHEN the sky blues trust is going to start putting pressure on ACL/CCC and WHY they haven't done it already.

It takes two to tango in this predicament and all their focus seems to be at the football club.

Why is there no pressure being put on the council and acl. As it nick said earlier. It all looks very one sided and you people wander why Labovitch is asking about the trusts involvement with ACL/CCC

I may be wrong but isn't this a change in direction for you?

 

[skybluetony176]

I've worked out sky blue John and Italia - whose the third?

Now now grendull. You can't just conveniently pigeon hole people.

 

[skybluetony176]

You haven't answered the question directly have you ...........

Not with that users name;-)

 

[wingy]

I may be wrong but isn't this a change in direction for you?

maybe confusing with Bennetts dancing feet?/

 

[Bennets Afro]

I just want the club back and in control of the stadium. Not bothered how it happens or who owns us to get it done.

If people want Sisu gone the only way it will happy is if the club is successful and with its own stadium.

The sooner that happens the sooner Sisu may leave

 

[lamtara2006]

If it isn't official trust stuff then fair play, if it is just a group of trust members arranging something then it is different.

I've been trying to make that point throughout Nick, apologies if I have not made it clear enough previously.

 

[skybluetony176]

Could someone who also post on GMK point out to them that the Trust is not promoting this game as they think.

They've gone mental and created a six page thread in one afternoon. Good effort considering there's only five regular posters. Well done, you do have some fire in your belly's after all.

 

[torchomatic]

Now Lamtara said it was a proposal from those attending and AshbyJan said it was the CCFCL that approached the Trust. Which is it or is it both?

 

[cornoccfc]

As I no longer live in Cov I will take great pleasure in passing Northampton on my way to this match.

I'll take great pleasure driving out of Northampton for this match.

 

[ashbyjan]

Right I will spell this out for the final time and will assume from now on anyone not getting it is doing so simply for their own ends. The Trust was approached by CCFC Ladies to help promote their cup match - we agreed. At last nights open meeting some attendees suggested that maybe a protest should be organised at that match. These are two separate things. 1. The Sky Blue Trust officially recognises anyone going to Sixfields as is their right but for anyone who is not going why not pop along and support CCFC Ladies in their cup match. 2. If any protest is being organised it has nothing - let me repeat that for those who didn't get it the first thirty times - nothing to do with official Trust policy, nor is any protest in any way supported by CCFC Ladies. Just because some Trust members make a suggestion at an informal open meeting does not mean that is automatically adopted as Trust policy.

Hope that clears the matter up once and for all.

 

[torchomatic]

Thanks Jan.

Right I will spell this out for the final time and will assume from now on anyone not getting it is doing so simply for their own ends. The Trust was approached by CCFC Ladies to help promote their cup match - we agreed. At last nights open meeting some attendees suggested that maybe a protest should be organised at that match. These are two separate things. 1. The Sky Blue Trust officially recognises anyone going to Sixfields as is their right but for anyone who is not going why not pop along and support CCFC Ladies in their cup match. 2. If any protest is being organised it has nothing - let me repeat that for those who didn't get it the first thirty times - nothing to do with official Trust policy. Just because some Trust members make a suggestion at an informal open meeting does not mean that is automatically adopted as Trust policy.

Hope that clears the matter up once and for all.

 

[italiahorse]

You can't turn this argument round to them Italia

By the way nice horse

Thanks. It was called Saxon after one of my favourite groups at the time.

 

[mark82]

Has anyone thought what message this might send if the crowd at the Ricoh is smaller than at Sixfields?

I like the idea of using a sphinx game as a protest. Would really help boost the coffers at Coventry's highest ranked team too. Would need to try to pick a week when CCFC are playing on a Sunday so everyone can be involved.

 

[mark82]

Right I will spell this out for the final time and will assume from now on anyone not getting it is doing so simply for their own ends. The Trust was approached by CCFC Ladies to help promote their cup match - we agreed. At last nights open meeting some attendees suggested that maybe a protest should be organised at that match. These are two separate things. 1. The Sky Blue Trust officially recognises anyone going to Sixfields as is their right but for anyone who is not going why not pop along and support CCFC Ladies in their cup match. 2. If any protest is being organised it has nothing - let me repeat that for those who didn't get it the first thirty times - nothing to do with official Trust policy, nor is any protest in any way supported by CCFC Ladies. Just because some Trust members make a suggestion at an informal open meeting does not mean that is automatically adopted as Trust policy.

Hope that clears the matter up once and for all.

Makes sense.

 

[skybluetony176]

Thanks. It was called Saxon after one of my favourite groups at the time.

Ahh the mighty Saxon. I saw them at the TIC TOC many many years ago. I think my brother seen them last year at the assembly halls in Leamington

 

[Grendel]

Has anyone thought what message this might send if the crowd at the Ricoh is smaller than at Sixfields?

I like the idea of using a sphinx game as a protest. Would really help boost the coffers at Coventry's highest ranked team too. Would need to try to pick a week when CCFC are playing on a Sunday so everyone can be involved.

I've raised this issue numerous times - and it will be less - the responses have been;

We will make the crowd figure up
Don't tell anyone
And then we had Schmee and his "red Robbo" moment.

 

[DaleM]

No but it's not like CCLFC have been forced out of Coventry like CCFC and still bares the City's name, I also don't see the point why the Ricoh would make any odds, this game could have been played at St Andrews, Villa Park, Molienuex, under different circumstances.

Please can you understand that CCFC were NOT forced out . Fisher gave the order to pack up and move out . CCFC moved out , then played their last 3 games there AFTER they had gone. Can you remember the temporary shop with only foam hands in it and only open via the hatch inside the stadium ? That was the result of Fisher getting all the stuff put into lorries and stored down Bayton Road. They were not forced out.

 

[torchomatic]

I was never a Saxon fan didn't like all the rock stuff but 747 Strangers In The Night was fab.

 

[Grendel]

Please can you understand that CCFC were NOT forced out . Fisher gave the order to pack up and move out . CCFC moved out , then played their last 3 games there AFTER they had gone. Can you remember the temporary shop with only foam hands in it and only open via the hatch inside the stadium ? That was the result of Fisher getting all the stuff put into lorries and stored down Bayton Road. They were not forced out.

Sorry old chum but legally speaking yes they have.