Higgs vs CCFC Court Row (113 Viewers)

[Rob S]

He said he had no knowledge about sisu out stuff?

A bit of hair-splitting I think. Sisu's QC setting up some things I think.

Now into relationship with Webber Shandwick.

They're referring to evidence that we can't see (until later) so more difficult to follow some parts.

 

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[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

He said he had no knowledge about sisu out stuff? Genius

What's that got to do with anything though?

If he's denying knowledge of 'SISU out stuff', I presume he's making reference to an orchestrated plan - as SISU claim in their JR; not the chanting and/or banners at games. As everyone knew the latter existed (especially those who were forcibly ejected by the orange-jacketed buffoons for having the temerity to unfurl a 'flammable' banner in a public place...)

 

[Kingokings204]

Balloons or not. thats irrelevant. Is this being a ccfc fan?

Did you sir tie ballons to the chief Executives car?

Fcuk me

 

[Rob S]

Looks like QC will be earning his money today. He was flapping a lot yesterday but going in depth to PKH statement

 

[Rob S]

Discussion on sep bank negs in Leeds with ACL wanting to keep theirs secret from sisu (emails)

 

[Astute]

I wouldn't worry about this case too much fella, the important one is the JR. By the way, Higgs haven't won this case yet, it is only the Sisu counter claim which has been thrown out. This looked ludicrous when they made it and it has turned out to be so.

What will happen today? Is there more evidence to be heard or is it just the decision on the Higgs claim?

But some on here didn't think it was ludicrous and were waiting for the proof that SISU had. And shouted down anyone that mentioned they didn't see any. And it seems the same for the JR unless some can be uncovered in this case. The time line seems to have been shown to be true. Yes it is a biggie, but what could they have?

 

[chiefdave]

A bit of hair-splitting I think. Sisu's QC setting up some things I think.

Now into relationship with Webber Shandwick.

They're referring to evidence that we can't see (until later) so more difficult to follow some parts.

They're either trying to get PWKH to fall into a trap for something down the line or are desperately short of any actual evidence as nothing they're bringing up seems to have any relevance to the case.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

They're either trying to get PWKH to fall into a trap for something down the line or are desperately short of any actual evidence as nothing they're bringing up seems to have any relevance to the case.

He wouldn't be the first QC to "go on a fishing trip".

 

[James Smith]

If he's denying knowledge of 'SISU out stuff', I presume he's making reference to an orchestrated plan - as SISU claim in their JR; not the chanting and/or banners at games. As everyone knew the latter existed (especially those who were forcibly ejected by the orange-jacketed buffoons for having the temerity to unfurl a 'flammable' banner in a public place...)

No it's obvious, the Higgs were behind the starting of the Sisu Out Campaign. Balloongate was the friendly side of this but the Higgs were the cunning Devils behind Sisu Out not thousands of us fans.

For the purposes of clarity this is a sarcastic post if the Higgs lawyers are reading it.

 

[Rob S]

Urgh. Reference to emails where it was agreed that all 3 parties should work together. Can we go back in time please?

 

[oldskyblue58]

not to mention the "ballongate" affair was April 2013 almost 10 months after the end of the exclusivity period ended ......

 

[Godiva]

They're either trying to get PWKH to fall into a trap for something down the line or are desperately short of any actual evidence as nothing they're bringing up seems to have any relevance to the case.

If you believe they are fishing for evidence they can use in the JR, then expect them to ask a lot of questions with references to mails, reports and other written materials that has so far been inaccessible for them.

 

[Sub]

PWKH on the ballon gate affair

 

[oldskyblue58]

You would have to think that the balloons were only brought up in order to immediately paint a picture of a childish and irresponsible man to the judge.......

I think you are right Godiva ................. I think they want to "expose" documents to make them public so they can use in the JR, which in turn must mean there is no direct link from SISU to SBS&L group in terms of ownership perhaps? Because if ownership by SISU were established clearly wouldn't they be able to use those documents anyway?

 

[duffer]

Maybe being straight is the best way to play it - I'm surprised that AEHC's QC is letting them ask questions about stuff that's so long after the HoT, but perhaps that means that it opens the door to asking Fisher about other stuff too. (Asset transfers, I hope!).

Either way, good to get as much of this out in the open as possible, imho.

 

[fernandopartridge]

You would have to think that the balloons were only brought up in order to immediately paint a picture of a childish and irresponsible man to the judge.......

I think you are right Godiva ................. I think they want to "expose" documents to make them public so they can use in the JR, which in turn must mean there is no direct link from SISU to SBS&L group in terms of ownership perhaps? Because if ownership by SISU were established clearly wouldn't they be able to use those documents in anyway?

Is it the case that you can't use documents obtained as a defendant in one case as a claimant in another?

 

[Godiva]

Because if ownership by SISU were established clearly wouldn't they be able to use those documents in anyway?

But sisu doesn't own SBS&L - do they?

 

[torchomatic]

You would have to think that the balloons were only brought up in order to immediately paint a picture of a childish and irresponsible man to the judge.......

I wonder if he regrets it now then?



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[Godiva]

Either way, good to get as much of this out in the open as possible, imho.

That I agree with!

 

[oldskyblue58]

Is it the case that you can't use documents obtained as a defendant in one case as a claimant in another?

Honestly don't know FP. If the docs in one case become public domain.......... say are reported on the internet or copies in the press ............ then I would think anyone can use them

 

[oldskyblue58]

But sisu doesn't own SBS&L - do they?

that's the point I think........... so the charity documents can not be used in the JR unless they become public property

 

[oldskyblue58]

I wonder if he regrets it now then?



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I think we have all done things we think are funny at the time and regret later Torch

 

[Godiva]

I wonder if he regrets it now then?

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I wonder if TF and PWKH are actual enemies ... just a thought.
Well, maybe they are.

 

[duffer]

I wonder if he regrets it now then?

I think he apologised at the time. I'm sure you've never done anything daft you regret though, have you?

Besides, in the scale of crimes, moving the club to Northampton and running CCFC Ltd into oblivion seems somewhat larger to me. Where's the apology for that?

 

[Noggin]

I wonder if he regrets it now then?



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I'm sure he regretted it as soon as he did it (because he got caught) it was clearly childish and silly, it was also completely understandable and sisu have only gotten worse since then, in fact significantly so.

 

[AJB1983]

I'd love to say dirty tactics, but when the evidence is there and clear (and perhaps favours the prosecution or, in this case the Higgs charity) all the barristers have is to discredit the witnesses.

 

[torchomatic]

I think we have all done things we think are funny at the time and regret later Torch

Absolutely but ours probably aren't read out to a judge!

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[Godiva]

Absolutely but ours probably aren't read out to a judge!

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I would hope not!!!

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

I wonder if he regrets it now then?

Certainly. On the Regret-o-Meter, it would have measured an impressive 9/10 this morning. Which is one less than Fisher would have managed with regards his 'we batter people in court' yesterday

 

[torchomatic]

I think he apologised at the time. I'm sure you've never done anything daft you regret though, have you?

Besides, in the scale of crimes, moving the club to Northampton and running CCFC Ltd into oblivion seems somewhat larger to me. Where's the apology for that?

Oh stop being so defensive and getting your knickers in a twist.

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[Godiva]

Simon Gilbert ‏@TheSimonGilbert 1m ACL considered the need to take on the Sky Blues itself but PKH says this view was not supported by all directors of ACL.

Simon Gilbert ‏@TheSimonGilbert 44s PKH says trustees of Higgs did not support it as it seemed to require money to be injected.

 

[Sub]

Simon Gilbert‏@TheSimonGilbert2 minsACL considered the need to take on the Sky Blues itself but PKH says this view was not supported by all directors of ACL.

 

[Rob S]

Deep into communications behind the agreement (or lack of) now.
Gary Hoffman and Joe Elliot mentioned in comms at time of due diligence.

Sitting next to Simon Gilbert – steam coming off his pen!

 

[sky blue john]

If you believe they are fishing for evidence they can use in the JR, then expect them to ask a lot of questions with references to mails, reports and other written materials that has so far been inaccessible for them.

Yes but at what point will the judge lose patience with what is not relevant to current case ?

 

[Nick]

Deep into communications behind the agreement (or lack of) now.
Gary Hoffman and Joe Elliot mentioned in comms at time of due diligence.

Sitting next to Simon Gilbert – steam coming off his pen!

Courtroom frienndssssss.....

ps. Why don't PWKH and Fisher just have a fight? I reckon PWKH seems the type to wear a vest and be great at bareknuckle boxing



(This is a joke if lawyers are reading, I am in no way saying he wears vests)