shmmeee
Well-Known Member
It seems like a neutral, reasonable request that could actually be put to the council.
Give us the Ricoh in trust. Then sell half of ACL to Sisu.
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It seems like a neutral, reasonable request that could actually be put to the council.
Give us the Ricoh in trust. Then sell half of ACL to Sisu.
thelookout
New Member
Oddly enough, from what I've read from him on here he seems to detest councils but is employed by one. Very strange.
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Ah, an old "friend", maybe? Where have I said since you joined that I worked for a council? And I don't detest councils. I'm just not in love with them.
thelookout
New Member
You don't have to be a member of this forum to view the posts everyday.
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
True. Anyway, welcome to the forum. It's nice to see someone who wades right in straight away.
Isnt all this a waste of time considering SISU are not interested in the Ricoh and they have moved on? They have said this constantly since the move to Sixfields. Even if they was interested would they put in a serious bid which is fair for us taxpayers? As a CCFC fan and taxpayer I do not want the Ricoh sold under what its worth.
covcity4life
Well-Known Member
already done more for CCFC than sky blue trust ever have
well done.
well done.
thelookout
New Member
Such as?
sky blue john
Well-Known Member
Obviously I want ccfc back playing at the Ricoh. But under no circumstances that involve Sisu ownership of the Ricoh !!
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Yeah, a poll would genuinely be interesting. An option for "do not live in Coventry" would be good to gauge how many of us live elsewhere.
James Smith
Well-Known Member
I can remember hearing on BBC GLR as I think it was back then that in an election in London the candidate who was opposed to smoking in public places or might have been altogether got less votes than the bloke who was looking for the looney vote and attended the count in a fancy dress costume. That's Democracy for you.
Rob S
Well-Known Member
Yoink. Just got back from that London and a lot to wade through but I'll pick up on this as it's near the end of 100+ posts
It would have to be independent valuations and proper negotiations and certainly not given away.
We need to remember that the city is losing millions per year by not having the club (and other big events) playing there too and it is the Council's responsibility to support the local economy. When I go to Cov games (usually with the London Supporters) we'd arrive early via train, go to the Whitefriars for a few *ahem* drinks and some food then hail a few black cabs to go up to the Ricoh. Ticket, food, drinks etc. at the ground, maybe a visit to the casino bar afterwards, a pub in town and then an evening train home. All of that money times many thousand, plus all the away fans spending is being lost every home game.
Cardiff Uni Business School had a report on Swansea City's value to Swansea now they are in the Premier League and they came out with a figure of £58m per year. This is what any city should be looking at with their football team and now that the attempt to force an ownership change has failed, we need to look at how the club can come back and contribute to the city again.
But no giveaway. Proper valuations.
James Smith
Well-Known Member
I don't live in Coventry and would be unable to vote for any candidate.
Cheshire Sky Blue
New Member
Yoink. Just got back from that London and a lot to wade through but I'll pick up on this as it's near the end of 100+ posts
It would have to be independent valuations and proper negotiations and certainly not given away.
We need to remember that the city is losing millions per year by not having the club (and other big events) playing there too and it is the Council's responsibility to support the local economy. When I go to Cov games (usually with the London Supporters) we'd arrive early via train, go to the Whitefriars for a few *ahem* drinks and some food then hail a few black cabs to go up to the Ricoh. Ticket, food, drinks etc. at the ground, maybe a visit to the casino bar afterwards, a pub in town and then an evening train home. All of that money times many thousand, plus all the away fans spending is being lost every home game.
Cardiff Uni Business School had a report on Swansea City's value to Swansea now they are in the Premier League and they came out with a figure of £58m per year. This is what any city should be looking at with their football team and now that the attempt to force an ownership change has failed, we need to look at how the club can come back and contribute to the city again.
But no giveaway. Proper valuations.
My Problem is SISU, they are just such an untrustworthy bunch, that I would simply reject selling the RICOH asset to them. I know that other potential buyers may be as bad, but over the time that SISU have been in Coventry they have only every brought destruction and distress.
At the start of the season I was in support of SISU owning the whole stadium, today I wouldn't lease them the dustbins.
thelookout
New Member
Yoink. Just got back from that London and a lot to wade through but I'll pick up on this as it's near the end of 100+ posts
It would have to be independent valuations and proper negotiations and certainly not given away.
We need to remember that the city is losing millions per year by not having the club (and other big events) playing there too and it is the Council's responsibility to support the local economy. When I go to Cov games (usually with the London Supporters) we'd arrive early via train, go to the Whitefriars for a few *ahem* drinks and some food then hail a few black cabs to go up to the Ricoh. Ticket, food, drinks etc. at the ground, maybe a visit to the casino bar afterwards, a pub in town and then an evening train home. All of that money times many thousand, plus all the away fans spending is being lost every home game.
Cardiff Uni Business School had a report on Swansea City's value to Swansea now they are in the Premier League and they came out with a figure of £58m per year. This is what any city should be looking at with their football team and now that the attempt to force an ownership change has failed, we need to look at how the club can come back and contribute to the city again.
But no giveaway. Proper valuations.
Did the council kick the club out then?
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Just use Fernando's thread on how far people are from the Ricoh/HR.
MichaelCCFC
New Member
Torch, to break it down a bit which of the following would you agree/disagree with: most fans want us back at the Ricoh asap; comments from players like Wilson make it clear they want to be back at the Ricoh too; the last offer made by ACL was shown by Clive Eakin to be financially beneficial to the club compared with being at NTFC; so it would be good for fans, players and club finances to return to the ricoh even on a short-term rental deal; the sides could then take as long as needed for a long-term agreement without the damage being done by being at NTFC; the process is therefore for sisu to say we will return on the basis of the last ACL offer; if ACL then renege on that deal all fire is aimed at them.
covcity4life
Well-Known Member
or council could apologise for mesing up past negotiations and knock off some more money to entice a sale.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
You seem to ignore the basic fact that sisu will not discuss this deal -- it is an irrelevance now to them.
This is why Rob's stance is far more pro-active. Ultimately you target the most vunerable element in a deal if you want success. Who is wrong or who is right is a pointless debate. I suggested the standing for Council ages ago. It is a very good idea. Most do not vote in Council elections and this forum is not a great baramoter of real opinion. A threat to councillor seats would be a massive step in getting them to react. They should find some kind of "known" candidate and target Lucas -- even if they lose she will be concerned the votes taken off her may mean her losing her seat. Its the best strategy I have seen by a country mile.
mark82
Super Moderator
Unfortunately many Coventry City fans are to blinkered to look at anyone but Sisu. Sisu obviously shoulder a large portion of the blame but even the Higgs case showed the council also should share some of the responsibility. The problem is that many seem to think you can only blame one side. If people would look at the wider picture a little more we could be back in Coventry. It seems a lot of people on here are more interested in seeing Sisu shafted, even if it means the club never return to the Ricoh / Coventry, than they are at getting to the bottom of this issue and watching the team play in Coventry.
Good luck Rob but I fear your efforts will be fruitless as too many are unwilling to support anything that isn't solely attacking Sisu.
Good luck Rob but I fear your efforts will be fruitless as too many are unwilling to support anything that isn't solely attacking Sisu.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Maybe the council shoulder some of the blame as they were not there to defend themselves. That is why I said I will wait for the JR to decide what has gone on. All we have against CCC is parts of a few emails. And no defence. It isn't as though SISU has been truthful to us.
lordsummerisle
Well-Known Member
Nick
Administrator
But still happy to blame sisu? I don't think either side has been truthful in all of this have they?
In my opinion the 'let's wait till after the JR' and 'We have only heard one side of the story' or 'CCC members are bound to silence until the JR' ... it's a red herring.
Surely any member can speak freely about what they will do to bring back ccfc to the Ricoh?
Surely any member can speak freely about the future? About what they want to happen and how they will help facilitate that specific outcome?
Surely any member can speak freely about what they will do to bring back ccfc to the Ricoh?
Surely any member can speak freely about the future? About what they want to happen and how they will help facilitate that specific outcome?
Astute
Well-Known Member
So what have I blamed SISU for that isn't undoubtedly true? Or if asked for an opinion I give it but don't try to make out that it is a fact.
There is doubt about them parts of the emails. So I won't be after hanging CCC yet. It looks like on here you must have one opinion or you are wrong.
Nick
Administrator
Rusty Trombone
Well-Known Member
This seems to be a lot of effort if you haven't already got confirmation from SISU that they would be interested in paying a proper price for the Ricoh, and presumably ACL.
Have you made any enquiries of SISU? Have you asked Higgs if they are willing to sell their shares?
The Gentleman
Well-Known Member
Or the fact that they are building a 'new stadium'
Astute
Well-Known Member
Yes you are right about the last bit
But that 10% certainly make half the noise and a fair few pounce on anything that could be good for SISU. They would have a great time if ACL/CCC were shown to be as untruthful as SISU as they can make a lot out of not a lot.
Astute
Well-Known Member
They are. And they will prove it to you in 3 weeks.
Nick
Administrator
IC.f.
Great time if it have more chance of us coming home.
I love how it is not a lot if the council gave been untruthful, when Fisher opens his mouth there is world war three before anything has come out.
You just have to read the court thread to get the jist of things, not one person on there was saying I hope sisu win. Some people before the verdict were posting things as if their lives would be ruined if higgs didn't get awarded their costs and sisu lost..
Some people have only gone off evidence and tried to judge it for themselves all along like that, they were called fence sitters because weren't raging
It does make hills gifs quite funny.
Great time if it have more chance of us coming home.
I love how it is not a lot if the council gave been untruthful, when Fisher opens his mouth there is world war three before anything has come out.
You just have to read the court thread to get the jist of things, not one person on there was saying I hope sisu win. Some people before the verdict were posting things as if their lives would be ruined if higgs didn't get awarded their costs and sisu lost..
Some people have only gone off evidence and tried to judge it for themselves all along like that, they were called fence sitters because weren't raging
It does make hills gifs quite funny.
Samo
Well-Known Member
Rubbish! They are simply capable of a balanced view.
Astute
Well-Known Member
So ignoring constant untruths from one side and trying to find untruths from the other side is a balanced view?
A balanced view is looking at the evidence and working out for yourself what has been going on. Not trying to make both sides as bad as each other without proof. We don't have any proof about what CCC have done wrong. Just allegations from SISU. And we know how much they can be trusted. What is wrong with finding out the truth before declaring someone guilty? I am not saying that CCC have acted perfectly all the way through this mess. But how much was caused by the SISU tactics? I hope we find out.