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Gary.j

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Before we bang down the council door demanding that they sell the Ricoh to sisu, should we not answer the question as to wether they would be suitable owners?

I would suggest we use their stewardship of our club as a gauge.



Would you trust them with the stadium?
 
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dongonzalos

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Grendel said:
Nope don't think a lot of people have liked many of my posts on my favourite subjects.

I just have an annoying habit of being right about certain things. Don't think its a one man crusade either - if I was RobS I would be very happy with the response. I would have quickly worked out who on here would react and rubbish the proposal and the more vehemently they do it the more his main campaign points are validated.

The fact even old PWKH has dropped by is just the icing on the cake. He's agreed to a meet now so rob should arrange the meeting minute it and report back on the outcome.
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By the sounds if it they agreed to a meet before Rob said they had formally met but he never got round to taking them up on the offer. Which was a shame as knowledge as they say is power.
 
Rusty Trombone

Rusty Trombone

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Gary.j said:
Before we bang down the council door demanding that they sell the Ricoh to sisu, should we not answer the question as to wether they would be suitable owners?

I would suggest we use their stewardship of our club as a gauge.



Would you trust them with the stadium?
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We don't know what Rob is campaigning for do we? Is it the Ricoh or ACL or both? We know that owning the Ricoh won't give the club any money, so presumably it's ACL, but if so they will need the Higgs shares. I think there was a recent court case about that deal.
 
Astute

Astute

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limoncello said:
You're at fault because you've nailed your colours to the mast. We've been royally fucked by all the parties but you're only willing to blame one of them. We're football fans, we support a pretty shit team who are playing home games miles away but instead of insisting all the wankers involved be challenged people have devolved into factions, supporting fucking charities and councils and hedge funds. They are all self-serving wankers and they are playing us like little violins. Media assaults ahoy.

And yes, go fuck yourself.
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You have plainly nailed your colours to the mast. You want to attack anyone but SISU as you know that they won't listen to you. They won't listen to anyone and attack anyone who they see as wanting answers. Are you blind to this?

If it wasn't my club that I care about I would be happy to see what you end up with once they have finished getting money for their investors.

Cheers for the complement. At least I know that I want what is best for the future and not the next couple of seasons where I wouldn't have to travel for home games.
 
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limoncello

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Astute said:
You have plainly nailed your colours to the mast. You want to attack anyone but SISU as you know that they won't listen to you. They won't listen to anyone and attack anyone who they see as wanting answers. Are you blind to this?

If it wasn't my club that I care about I would be happy to see what you end up with once they have finished getting money for their investors.

Cheers for the complement. At least I know that I want what is best for the future and not the next couple of seasons where I wouldn't have to travel for home games.
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Look: SISU ARE CUNTS. I DO NOT CARE IF THEY ALL DIE IN THEIR SLEEP. SISU ARE ALL CUNTS. Get it? Are you really that thick that you cannot understand that I think Fisher, Sepalla, Huggesen, Reeves and West are all cunts? You actually think that me saying repeatedly that they are all at fault is actually me saying that all of them are at fault except SISU?

What the fuck is wrong with you?
 
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dongonzalos

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limoncello said:
Look: SISU ARE CUNTS. I DO NOT CARE IF THEY ALL DIE IN THEIR SLEEP. SISU ARE ALL CUNTS. Get it? Are you really that thick that you cannot understand that I think Fisher, Sepalla, Huggesen, Reeves and West are all cunts? You actually think that me saying repeatedly that they are all at fault is actually me saying that all of them are at fault except SISU?

What the fuck is wrong with you?
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Maybe easier to ask you who isn't t fault
 
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Gary.j

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Rusty Trombone said:
We don't know what Rob is campaigning for do we? Is it the Ricoh or ACL or both? We know that owning the Ricoh won't give the club any money, so presumably it's ACL, but if so they will need the Higgs shares. I think there was a recent court case about that deal.
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http://getcovbacktoricoh.wordpress.com

"This independent campaign is not “pro-Sisu”, but recognises all parties must urgently resume talks over stadium revenues and ownership – not simply a return to having the club as tenants.

Many fans believe whoever owns the club should own the stadium to help maximise crucial club revenues – and that selling the Ricoh Arena to the current owners could represent the best possibility of a Sisu exit strategy.

We therefore say the council should not exclude from negotiations selling the stadium – on a freehold or leasehold arrangement – to the club’s legal and rightful owners, whoever they may be."
 
Rusty Trombone

Rusty Trombone

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Gary.j said:
http://getcovbacktoricoh.wordpress.com

"This independent campaign is not “pro-Sisu”, but recognises all parties must urgently resume talks over stadium revenues and ownership – not simply a return to having the club as tenants.

Many fans believe whoever owns the club should own the stadium to help maximise crucial club revenues – and that selling the Ricoh Arena to the current owners could represent the best possibility of a Sisu exit strategy.

We therefore say the council should not exclude from negotiations selling the stadium – on a freehold or leasehold arrangement – to the club’s legal and rightful owners, whoever they may be."
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Thanks for posting that. So they seem to want SISU to buy the stadium, ACL will still have the lease, so isn't it rather pointless?

Surely it would only provide SISU with an exit strategy if they bought the freehold for less than it's worth, but Rob has said SISU should pay a fair price.

I would have thought they would campaign for the club to own the ground, but it seems the clubs owners are the best to own it, so still tenants then.
 
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shmmeee said:
Something off about a racist ballet dancer. Like a homophobic artist. It doesn't quite sit.
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On the other hand, I'd pay good money to watch Nick Griffin and his goons do Swan Lake!
 
Astute

Astute

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limoncello said:
Look: SISU ARE CUNTS. I DO NOT CARE IF THEY ALL DIE IN THEIR SLEEP. SISU ARE ALL CUNTS. Get it? Are you really that thick that you cannot understand that I think Fisher, Sepalla, Huggesen, Reeves and West are all cunts? You actually think that me saying repeatedly that they are all at fault is actually me saying that all of them are at fault except SISU?

What the fuck is wrong with you?
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What the fuck is wrong with me? Would ask what the fuck is wrong with you. But I know what the problem is. You are looking at it all with one eye shut. Where have I ever said it is all SISU's fault?

The problem lies with what SISU want and the way they have gone about getting it. That is why we are playing in Northampton. That is why they are bullshitting us all the time. And they can't have what they want. As I said earlier there are laws stopping them from getting what they want. You can shout about it as much as you want. Will shouting about it get the law changed? If not it isn't going to happen. It doesn't matter who you blame or by how much. If CCC were to blame for 90% of this charade SISU still wouldn't get what they want.

So you want SISU to get everything for a low amount as this might get rid of them? Shall we work out how much it will cost someone to give SISU what they want.......although they have only hinted what they want?

By the sound of it they want the Ricoh arena and everything that comes with it unencumbered.

How much for Higgs to be paid off?

How much for the catering rights to be paid off?

How much for the casino contract to be paid off?

How much for the ACL loans to be paid off?

How much for all other contracts to be paid off?

How much will all this cost? Who will pay for it all?

Then SISU would be happy to buy it off CCC. Do you really think that they would be able to pay as much as all the contracts and loans would cost? And then you have the problem of CCC having to sell to the highest bidder. CCC couldn't just let them have it on the cheap as it is covered by law. What makes you think that SISU would be the highest bidder? But who else would want the stadium and everything that comes with it I hear you say. Quite a few I would say as the value without any of the present contracts and loans would be much higher. It is the sort of thing that the pensions industry, investment trusts and HEDGE FUNDS :facepalm: would want to buy into. And SISU would have to outbid them all to get their wish.

How much of this do you disagree with so far?

OK lets get back to the so called road map.

It seems that it was agreed that SISU would pay Higgs for their share, the debt from YB would be paid off and SISU were to go into partnership with CCC. The due dilligence was done.....or not done as Deering said in court. SISU wouldn't pay Higgs the agreed 5.5m as they wanted unless they took it over 10 years with 1.5m down and 400k per annum. Higgs wanted proof of funds for this to happen it seems. This wasn't forthcoming. What I don't understand is that the cost to SISU over two seasons at Northampton would have covered these payments. If they would have gone ahead everyone would have been happy. The Ricoh would have been mortgage free. The handling of the stadium would have been taken off the hands of CCC. Peppercorn rent could have been sorted for our club. All profits shared between SISU and CCC. Higgs would have got most of their money back. But SISU couldn't or didn't want to give them their money back. Was this because they wanted it all for themselves? If so it takes us back to the start of this post :mad:

So what is left that can happen?

Can't see another so called road map happening. Can't even see Higgs being happy to try and sell to SISU after what happened with the last attempt. They had what they thought was the first 29k of legal expenses paid. SISU never even paid this but wasted much more getting out of paying it costing both sides a lot of money.

Joy picking up the phone and coming to some sort of arrangement? It seems that she don't negotiate. We have seen it several times now. How many more years of litigation are to follow before they give up? Will they actually give up after the JR? What will happen with the JR?

You can call me what you want. I was nearly sober last night so was never going to bite. Used to get much worse nearly every night when I worked the doors. I have tried looking at it all on the legal side as well as what is best for our club. It don't matter who you see as to blame. And you are right on one thing. I don't blame all sides. I don't blame Higgs. There has been nothing to show them to blame for anything. Even the judge saw through the blame Deering tried to put on them. There are also rules and laws they have to keep to. These are the reasons that they had to take SISU to court. They got advised to take the case up as it was thought that they had a legally binding contract.

I hope some of you pull this post to bits. I know certain people will look to do so. If I am wrong on anything I will admit so. But the reason that I have come to the conclusion that I have is because of what I believe to be true. We have gone down the line too far to put it simply down to blame. It is now down to how we can get out of it all. And the only way I see is a meeting to happen and negotiations to happen. Will SISU ever want the Higgs share and will Higgs ever be prepared to try again with them? Will Joy ever decide enough is enough and negotiate at last?
 
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lewys33

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Nick said:
I agree. I for one have been saying "Why isn't KCIC targetting the council" but if the answer is "So and so does this, so and so does this" and that they can all work together, it would be a lot better in the long run as every base is covered isn't it.

Can Rob have access to the Trust newsletter list too? :)
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There were a string of emails with KCIC, trust members, and GCBTR involved however nothing ever came of it.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Good post Astute.

Perhaps we can stop the ridiculous straw man that anyone who feels Sisu are responsible for the breakdown of trust and hence negotiations only blames one side.

I'd also add to all that the emotional argument. I was happy to pick sides and sit on the sidelines cheering when I wasn't really affected. Moving the club was a dick move and should be rectified as a first step towards all sides moving on. Only Sisu can do that. To stay away merely in the hope of winning a court case is despicable IMO. I hope no long term CCFC fans have died unable to see their club one last time this season, but I'm sure they have, and Sisu should realise that some things are more important than Joy's bank balance.

Even if CCC totally scuppered the deal, to be honest I'm behind them simply because of the way Sisu has attacked (both personally and generally) life long fans continually in this, they've divided us, spread rumour and mistrust among us and frankly should never be forgiven.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Nick said:
I agree. I for one have been saying "Why isn't KCIC targetting the council" but if the answer is "So and so does this, so and so does this" and that they can all work together, it would be a lot better in the long run as every base is covered isn't it.

Can Rob have access to the Trust newsletter list too? :)
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But the Trust have been pressuring the council. That's the lie at the start of all this. In fact I'd wager they've put more pressure on than GCBTTR.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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shmmeee said:
Even if CCC totally scuppered the deal, to be honest I'm behind them
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This is one of those "oh really" moments - its surprised me as much as when someone told me Dale Winton was gay.
 
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The Gentleman

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shmmeee said:
Good post Astute.

Perhaps we can stop the ridiculous straw man that anyone who feels Sisu are responsible for the breakdown of trust and hence negotiations only blames one side.

I'd also add to all that the emotional argument. I was happy to pick sides and sit on the sidelines cheering when I wasn't really affected. Moving the club was a dick move and should be rectified as a first step towards all sides moving on. Only Sisu can do that. To stay away merely in the hope of winning a court case is despicable IMO. I hope no long term CCFC fans have died unable to see their club one last time this season, but I'm sure they have, and Sisu should realise that some things are more important than Joy's bank balance.

Even if CCC totally scuppered the deal, to be honest I'm behind them simply because of the way Sisu has attacked (both personally and generally) life long fans continually in this, they've divided us, spread rumour and mistrust among us and frankly should never be forgiven.
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Sadly I doubt that Joy gives a flying shite about us CCFC fans, the people of Coventry or indeed anyone else except her family and investors. This is the reason they will bury their head in the sand until they either get what they want or decide that enough is enough. She will never show her face to us, never engage with us and certainly won't listen to us.
 
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martcov

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Grendel said:
This is one of those "oh really" moments - its surprised me as much as when someone told me Dale Winton was gay.
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please quote the erst of his sentence. This is not a "skeleton" argument in court. You don't need to just use excerpts and parts of sentences to make your point.
 
torchomatic

torchomatic

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Maybe "Conspiracy Theory"?
 
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