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Grendel

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Grendel, I think he misread what you wrote, and then you misread what he wrote.

In which case I am sure we can mutually apologise

I asked him why he had made a big thing that Rob S did not live in Coventry. He said he did not say that. I produced a statement that said he did - oddly you even liked my initial post to the stupid comment anyway. Where is the misunderstanding?
 

Rusty Trombone

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In which case I am sure we can mutually apologise

I asked him why he had made a big thing that Rob S did not live in Coventry. He said he did not say that. I produced a statement that said he did - oddly you even liked my initial post to the stupid comment anyway. Where is the misunderstanding?

he said this in reply to you saying he had said Rob did not live in Cov

"I didn't I said he doesn't live in Coventry", read it slowly and pretend there's a comma after 'I didn't'.

He misread what you put, and therefore his reply didn't follow, but it seems you think he denied saying it, which isn't what his reply says.
 

Grendel

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he said this in reply to you saying he had said Rob did not live in Cov

"I didn't I said he doesn't live in Coventry", read it slowly and pretend there's a comma after 'I didn't'.

He misread what you put, and therefore his reply didn't follow, but it seems you think he denied saying it, which isn't what his reply says.

Ah now I see it. So he doesn't say he does live in Coventry. Fair enough - however he does then point blank refuse to answer the initial question.

So the initial question stands. Why would a poster say "he doesn't live in Coventry" if this is not supposed to be viewed as negative and against him. Why would one Coventry fan say this to another? So I agree the misunderstanding but only as jack basically ignored the point I made.

So I apologise for the misreading jack now I am sure you will equally be curteous to answer my point - why make the statement RobS doesn't even live in Coventry - what was the motivation behind this post?
 

Rusty Trombone

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Ah now I see it. So he doesn't say he does live in Coventry. Fair enough - however he does then point blank refuse to answer the initial question.

So the initial question stands. Why would a poster say "he doesn't live in Coventry" if this is not supposed to be viewed as negative and against him. Why would one Coventry fan say this to another? So I agree the misunderstanding but only as jack basically ignored the point I made.

So I apologise for the misreading jack now I am sure you will equally be curteous to answer my point - why make the statement RobS doesn't even live in Coventry - what was the motivation behind this post?

Good man G, it's misunderstandings such as this that has probably led you to pick the wrong side in this whole SISU v ACL/Council debate (don't worry, just a bit of banter).
 

Grendel

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Good man G, it's misunderstandings such as this that has probably led you to pick the wrong side in this whole SISU v ACL/Council debate (don't worry, just a bit of banter).

I will of course be repeating the question to Jack. He clearly got confused. We will I am sure clarify why RobS not living in Coventry is a factor.
 
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Jack Griffin

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Ah now I see it. So he doesn't say he does live in Coventry. Fair enough - however he does then point blank refuse to answer the initial question.

Nope, I did not reply because I was in the pub.

The original comment I made was in reference to Rob standing in local elections. I said it because I think residence is an issue if you intend to represent the people of Coventry.

I don't think I made a terribly 'big thing' about it either.

Rob Stevens doesn't even live in Coventry, LOL

For reference, above is the quip I made.. anyway I will say no more.. Grendel can say what he wants & I will ignore him as that's the best policy with trolls.
 

Rusty Trombone

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Nope, I did not reply because I was in the pub.

The original comment I made was in reference to Rob standing in local elections. I said it because I think residence is an issue if you intend to represent the people of Coventry.

I don't think I made a terribly 'big thing' about it either.



For reference, above is the quip I made.. anyway I will say no more.. Grendel can say what he wants & I will ignore him as that's the best policy with trolls.

But you have replied, so you have ignored best policy. You will feel the wrath of G, but that will be ok as long as you do then apply best policy.
 
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Jack Griffin

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But you have replied, so you have ignored best policy. You will feel the wrath of G, but that will be ok as long as you do then apply best policy.

It is so funny, Grendull has deleted his original comment because he got his knickers in a twist when he accused me of saying Rob wasn't from Coventry. It is naughty boy caught out behavior. PMSL
 

Grendel

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It is so funny, Grendull has deleted his original comment because he got his knickers in a twist when he accused me of saying Rob wasn't from Coventry. It is naughty boy caught out behavior. PMSL

Sorry I've deleted nothing. No doubt as usual you've squealed like a baby and had my post deleted.

Do you come from Coventry? Looking at the posting history the only team you mention is Nuneaton.

You have in the past two days tried to discredit rob and Ian - two people who show passion and interest in the club as I do - whereas you are solely interested in a management company and a council.

Show me a post where you show desire and interest in the club. I think I will be waiting for a long time.
 

James Smith

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There have been no reported posts this evening.
 

dongonzalos

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Ah now I see it. So he doesn't say he does live in Coventry. Fair enough - however he does then point blank refuse to answer the initial question.

So the initial question stands. Why would a poster say "he doesn't live in Coventry" if this is not supposed to be viewed as negative and against him. Why would one Coventry fan say this to another? So I agree the misunderstanding but only as jack basically ignored the point I made.

So I apologise for the misreading jack now I am sure you will equally be curteous to answer my point - why make the statement RobS doesn't even live in Coventry - what was the motivation behind this post?

When it goes wrong and you take it on the chin fair play

However I am sure the moderator will remind you of it in a months time.........
 

Astute

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Why does the law stop them offering a unencumbered freehold? I genuinely don't know why...

How much for Higgs to be paid off?

How much for the catering rights to be paid off?

How much for the casino contract to be paid off?

How much for the ACL loans to be paid off?

How much for all other contracts to be paid off?

How much will all this cost? Who will pay for it all?

Then SISU would be happy to buy it off CCC. Do you really think that they would be able to pay as much as all the contracts and loans would cost? And then you have the problem of CCC having to sell to the highest bidder. CCC couldn't just let them have it on the cheap as it is covered by law. What makes you think that SISU would be the highest bidder? But who else would want the stadium and everything that comes with it I hear you say. Quite a few I would say as the value without any of the present contracts and loans would be much higher. It is the sort of thing that the pensions industry, investment trusts and HEDGE FUNDS :facepalm:would want to buy into. And SISU would have to outbid them all to get their wish.
 

Ian1779

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How much for Higgs to be paid off?

How much for the catering rights to be paid off?

How much for the casino contract to be paid off?

How much for the ACL loans to be paid off?

How much for all other contracts to be paid off?

How much will all this cost? Who will pay for it all?

Then SISU would be happy to buy it off CCC. Do you really think that they would be able to pay as much as all the contracts and loans would cost? And then you have the problem of CCC having to sell to the highest bidder. CCC couldn't just let them have it on the cheap as it is covered by law. What makes you think that SISU would be the highest bidder? But who else would want the stadium and everything that comes with it I hear you say. Quite a few I would say as the value without any of the present contracts and loans would be much higher. It is the sort of thing that the pensions industry, investment trusts and HEDGE FUNDS :facepalm:would want to buy into. And SISU would have to outbid them all to get their wish.

At no point have I ever said SISU should get it on the cheap. They should pay the price that is fair, and that would be offered to any other party should they wish to make that purchase.

So is that your reason why legally they can't? Because all you've said is the law stops them giving it on the cheap.
 

shmmeee

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How much for Higgs to be paid off?

How much for the catering rights to be paid off?

How much for the casino contract to be paid off?

How much for the ACL loans to be paid off?

How much for all other contracts to be paid off?

How much will all this cost? Who will pay for it all?

Then SISU would be happy to buy it off CCC. Do you really think that they would be able to pay as much as all the contracts and loans would cost? And then you have the problem of CCC having to sell to the highest bidder. CCC couldn't just let them have it on the cheap as it is covered by law. What makes you think that SISU would be the highest bidder? But who else would want the stadium and everything that comes with it I hear you say. Quite a few I would say as the value without any of the present contracts and loans would be much higher. It is the sort of thing that the pensions industry, investment trusts and HEDGE FUNDS :facepalm:would want to buy into. And SISU would have to outbid them all to get their wish.

Just to try and put some figures on those:

How much for Higgs to be paid off? In theory, nothing if ACL is wound up due to lack of income as Sisu claim.

How much for the catering rights to be paid off? Well a "£125m contract" was signed for 10 years in 2009. So I suppose you can say £62.5m as 5 years are left. (This is the biggest contract I'd guess as it's full service for all the hotel and events management)

How much for the casino contract to be paid off? To take a line from Ian £7m ;)

How much for the ACL loans to be paid off? £14.4m

How much for all other contracts to be paid off? Like I said, it seems the Compass deal covers everything else.

That's £83.9m cost, aside from the actual value of the area buildings and the land.

Yes it's a ballpark, and yes the Compass deal would probably end up a bit cheaper, but even so you're looking at north of £30m at least.
 

Ian1779

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Just to try and put some figures on those:

How much for Higgs to be paid off? In theory, nothing if ACL is wound up due to lack of income as Sisu claim.

How much for the catering rights to be paid off? Well a "£125m contract" was signed for 10 years in 2009. So I suppose you can say £62.5m as 5 years are left. (This is the biggest contract I'd guess as it's full service for all the hotel and events management)

How much for the casino contract to be paid off? To take a line from Ian £7m ;)

How much for the ACL loans to be paid off? £14.4m

How much for all other contracts to be paid off? Like I said, it seems the Compass deal covers everything else.

That's £83.9m cost, aside from the actual value of the area buildings and the land.

Yes it's a ballpark, and yes the Compass deal would probably end up a bit cheaper, but even so you're looking at north of £30m at least.

It would make a lot of sense for someone to independently value the Ricoh and all those contracts to give us a clearer picture. CET?
 

Rusty Trombone

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At no point have I ever said SISU should get it on the cheap. They should pay the price that is fair, and that would be offered to any other party should they wish to make that purchase.

So is that your reason why legally they can't? Because all you've said is the law stops them giving it on the cheap.

If they were to pay a price that any other party were prepared to pay then they would never get their investors money back, unless they were prepared to try and trade their way out over a very long term, maybe making a million or two a year. That doesn't sound like a business a hedge fund would be interested in to me.
 

shmmeee

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It would make a lot of sense for someone to independently value the Ricoh and all those contracts to give us a clearer picture. CET?

Well I guess the only people that can value the contracts are the people that made them and what they will accept/what is written in. If a contract stipulates a fee for cancellation, I'm not sure it matters what someone thinks it's worth.

I'd like an independent valuation (although not sure who is independent who could pay for it) just to put some more figures into the mix. I'm still not convinced about the idea of holding someone to sell property at a value they don't agree with, it just doesn't sit right (and that includes when councils do it for compulsory purchase), but if it gets negotiations moving I'm all for it.
 

skybluetony176

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At no point have I ever said SISU should get it on the cheap. They should pay the price that is fair, and that would be offered to any other party should they wish to make that purchase.

So is that your reason why legally they can't? Because all you've said is the law stops them giving it on the cheap.

The outcome of the European commission that's looking into the funding of Swansea's ground could have an interesting effect on any plans that sisu might have for purchasing the Ricoh.
 

torchomatic

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Or just gullible twats.

Who are you new poster? I demand to know who you are, where you come from and who you work for?

An ACL plant I think.

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Ian1779

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Ive posted the solution many times but you wouldn't like the answer.
Tell me what do you think about the 1.8million ccfc are paying Arvo every year ?

It's shit John - there's no dispute. It's a load of bollocks, but what's changed from when before SISU were in charge, then we would have paid it to someone else in some way. The club has been making a loss for the last 15 - 20 yrs, yet you're suggesting we've never been accruing debt until SISU showed up.

What do you propose as an alternative? Stop paying it and pay the players in magic beans?
 

torchomatic

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Ive posted the solution many times but you wouldn't like the answer.
Tell me what do you think about the 1.8million ccfc are paying Arvo every year ?

What IS the solution the John?

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sky blue john

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It's shit John - there's no dispute. It's a load of bollocks, but what's changed from when before SISU were in charge, then we would have paid it to someone else in some way. The club has been making a loss for the last 15 - 20 yrs, yet you're suggesting we've never been accruing debt until SISU showed up.

What do you propose as an alternative? Stop paying it and pay the players in magic beans?

So you agree Sisu should have Paid the Higgs for their 50% share instead of playing games ?
 

Ian1779

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Of course they bloody should have. They should have got their due diligence right at the beginning and secured it before they even walked in the door.

But unless you have a time machine John, can't see us changing that fact. So what is the alternative solution?
 

The Gentleman

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Of course John... just come up with a criticism instead of a possible idea for a solution.

Fucking hell! telling John about having a pop when from the bits of posts I have been bothered to read that you have made where you've been critical of ACL, CCC, CET and personal goes at Simon Gilbert. Oh yes and you usually sign off with a Sisu have been shit but then direct it all the other way without actually picking Sisu apart like you have with the other sides. Haven't seen you be critical of FL either (might be wrong because you've been rather busy of late). You claim to be a football fan but again haven't seen any posts from you about football (again may be wrong), at least everybody else on this forum talks about football sometimes.

You want a possible and simple solution to our plight, well here goes. Sisu stop fucking about and drop the JR, which might get them some praise and show they care about the football club they own and the city it is supposed to play in, if they want the Ricoh then get 3 valuations and from them get a happy medium, then make an offer for it. ACL look at the offer and either say yes, no or negotiate at which point Sisu either get round the table or fucking build Legoland. Is that not the best possible solution? Is it only Sisu/Otium who can do that? or do you still want to see ACL's books or continue to have a go at CET or Simon Gilbert? you can go around the houses all you want talking about accounts and media and councils etc but it is Sisu and Sisu alone who can start on the road back the Ricoh. This for me is where everyone's efforts need to be aimed. People can still be critical of all parties but Sisu/Otium are the ones that can bring us HOME.
 

Ian1779

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Fucking hell! telling John about having a pop when from the bits of posts I have been bothered to read that you have made where you've been critical of ACL, CCC, CET and personal goes at Simon Gilbert. Oh yes and you usually sign off with a Sisu have been shit but then direct it all the other way without actually picking Sisu apart like you have with the other sides. Haven't seen you be critical of FL either (might be wrong because you've been rather busy of late). You claim to be a football fan but again haven't seen any posts from you about football (again may be wrong), at least everybody else on this forum talks about football sometimes.

You want a possible and simple solution to our plight, well here goes. Sisu stop fucking about and drop the JR, which might get them some praise and show they care about the football club they own and the city it is supposed to play in, if they want the Ricoh then get 3 valuations and from them get a happy medium, then make an offer for it. ACL look at the offer and either say yes, no or negotiate at which point Sisu either get round the table or fucking build Legoland. Is that not the best possible solution? Is it only Sisu/Otium who can do that? or do you still want to see ACL's books or continue to have a go at CET or Simon Gilbert? you can go around the houses all you want talking about accounts and media and councils etc but it is Sisu and Sisu alone who can start on the road back the Ricoh. This for me is where everyone's efforts need to be aimed. People can still be critical of all parties but Sisu/Otium are the ones that can bring us HOME.

Of course only SISU can bring us back, and ultimately it is them that have to have the will to do it. I can't understand why we are having all this bluster for a new stadium. The Ricoh is perfectly viable. The club does however need to have control of it's financial destiny. We can hate SISU all we want, but you cannot escape the fact that they are right about that part.

As for criticising the FL, it's all the fashionable thing to do. But in reality they have no control. Money is power, and they have about as much as we do. Sky and the PL run football in this country, and people can call the league not fit and proper, toothless and anything else but they can only work within the parameters of the law. Look at the Leeds situation to tell you exactly that. If they work outside of the law they will be sued to pieces and will be broke

One thing I will be critical of the FL is the way they structured the giving the GS. What I wish they had done is say that it will be reviewed at the end of each season, and you have to demonstrate progress in order to keep hold of it for the next season. Maybe if that had been done we may have seen more progress.

I want the same as you and every one else - CCFC back in Coventry. But perhaps we aren't getting anywhere is because the same approach keeps getting wheeled out. Are we not allowed to ask what part other parties have played in this? Every party is culpable - albeit in different proportions.

Here's a better idea. SISU drop the JR on the basis that a deal is put in place between ACL and them to give CCFC what it needs to have a sustainable future.
 

sky blue john

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Some people on here need to ask themselves one question !!!
Are Sisu capable of doing a deal to get us back to the Ricoh ?????
 

The Gentleman

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Of course only SISU can bring us back, and ultimately it is them that have to have the will to do it. I can't understand why we are having all this bluster for a new stadium. The Ricoh is perfectly viable. The club does however need to have control of it's financial destiny. We can hate SISU all we want, but you cannot escape the fact that they are right about that part.

As for criticising the FL, it's all the fashionable thing to do. But in reality they have no control. Money is power, and they have about as much as we do. Sky and the PL run football in this country, and people can call the league not fit and proper, toothless and anything else but they can only work within the parameters of the law. Look at the Leeds situation to tell you exactly that. If they work outside of the law they will be sued to pieces and will be broke

One thing I will be critical of the FL is the way they structured the giving the GS. What I wish they had done is say that it will be reviewed at the end of each season, and you have to demonstrate progress in order to keep hold of it for the next season. Maybe if that had been done we may have seen more progress.

I want the same as you and every one else - CCFC back in Coventry. But perhaps we aren't getting anywhere is because the same approach keeps getting wheeled out. Are we not allowed to ask what part other parties have played in this? Every party is culpable - albeit in different proportions.

Here's a better idea. SISU drop the JR on the basis that a deal is put in place between ACL and them to give CCFC what it needs to have a sustainable future.

But is asking the question to other parties going to bring us home? In that case why are you not asking questions of Robinson, Richardson, McGinnity, Strachen, Bellamy (still cannot stand this little c##t).......where do you stop? Simple fact is that continually looking backwards will not take us forward. If you agree with me that it is only Sisu that can bring us home why are you not directing all you energies there instead of criticising everybody else? why are you not asking to see Sisu's accounts which will show exactly was happening with players contracts but are likely to be buried when Holdings or Ltd (not sure which one) are liquidated? because these are questions which are directly linked to the football club we support, or do you disagree? and if you do agree that finding out what Sisu have been doing with our accounts is far more important than finding out whether ACL is financially viable in the future, why are you only asking questions of ACL?
 

Astute

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At no point have I ever said SISU should get it on the cheap. They should pay the price that is fair, and that would be offered to any other party should they wish to make that purchase.

So is that your reason why legally they can't? Because all you've said is the law stops them giving it on the cheap.

SISU are bringing the JR because they say that state funding was used to pay off the mortgage. Would they bring a JR to the table if CCC used untold millions to pay off Higgsand all contracts to be able to offer the arena to them unencumbered?

Then by law they would have to offer the arena to the highest bidder. So they couldn't offer it to them on the cheap. And it seems that it is what they want.

Some think that I am constantly having a go at SISU. In a way I am because I can't see them getting what they want but our club is being held hostage whilst they attempt everything to get their own way. If I could see a proper plan they would get my backing.
 

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