Reasons not to push for an independent mediator and/or arbitrator (6 Viewers)

[Hobo]

In theory it's a nice idea. Problem is your back to what if what is suggested (rental deal/unencumbered freehold) isn't acceptable to one side.

I fear the reason no amicable result has been found is because there isn't one.

What we as fans consider reasonable isn't the same as what's best for the city or what's best for Joys investors.

But some kind of arbitrator/peacekeeper would be good. I'm surprised Tony Blair hasn't offered his services. Should be good practice for the Middle East.

I can't remember who, but someone on here put forward the Bishop of Coventry as arbitrator. They said they were going to write to him. Wonder if they ever got a reply?

 

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[No future with SISU]

Think a few people who post regular threads on this site may be in for a huge shock in the coming weeks! PUSB

Are you the person who keeps telling anybody SISU have loads of money and are building a new stadium any week soon. Well how many weeks is it?

 

[limoncello]

So, this arbitration thing...

What do we reckon?

 

[Hobo]

So, this arbitration thing...

What do we reckon?

Prefer pistols at dawn.

 

[skybluefred]

Where has that come from??

The Ricoh may be worth £80M in your eyes, however CCFC could access all the revenues for much less then that, something that would intrigue me more.

No one particularly gives two hoots about a new Stadium, not even Sisu..


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Are you saying sisu are LYING about a new stadium--I hadn't considered that.

 

[Buster]

So, this arbitration thing...

What do we reckon?

Personally speaking ,I think that if,after 2 years plus of bullshiting scheming ,twisting the facts and alienating 90% of the fan base and a higher % of coventrians in general! working the price down to almost nil to further a ridiculous venture to make money, if they did end up with the Ricoh I'd find something else to do on a Saturday . Does that make me a fickle supporter , perhaps? I can live with that

 

[Hobo]

Are you saying sisu are LYING about a new stadium--I hadn't considered that.

Even Grendal doesn't believe the new stadium is a financial viable option! It is not about lying it is about a tide of public opinion.

 

[sky blue john]

Lol !!!
The Sisu disciples are getting desperate.
12 pages on forcing arbitration never going to happen !!!
Higgs have moved on so what are you proposing Sisu to buy ??
Or maybe the councils share of Acl that's unlikely to happen !
Maybe you should consider Sisu selling up !!!

 

[martcov]

Think a few people who post regular threads on this site may be in for a huge shock in the coming weeks! PUSB

Oh just take a running jump.... There will be no shock and the JR will turn out like the Higgs case.. Lawyers win.

 

[stupot07]

Lol !!!
The Sisu disciples are getting desperate.
12 pages on forcing arbitration never going to happen !!!
Higgs have moved on so what are you proposing Sisu to buy ??
Or maybe the councils share of Acl that's unlikely to happen !
Maybe you should consider Sisu selling up !!!

Ah ha the ACL Apologist. Hiya!

 

[James Smith]

Think a few people who post regular threads on this site may be in for a huge shock in the coming weeks! PUSB

Assuming you're talking about the Judicial Review then you're possibly not talking to me. I think the JR can't come soon enough - or are you thinking Sisu will lose?

I don't actually know why I'm responding to this post as the chances of you answering are almost nil.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Lol !!!
The Sisu disciples are getting desperate.
12 pages on forcing arbitration never going to happen !!!
Higgs have moved on so what are you proposing Sisu to buy ??
Or maybe the councils share of Acl that's unlikely to happen !
Maybe you should consider Sisu selling up !!!

Absolute moron.

 

[martcov]

Think a few people who post regular threads on this site may be in for a huge shock in the coming weeks! PUSB

Ah ha the ACL Apologist. Hiya!

He is right about desperate people though. The latest crap from ml about wanting publication of an out of date valuation from Higgs is desperate. Talk about arbritation to fix a price is all crap. SISU should know what owning an ACL share is worth to them in order to get out of this mess. That is the offering bid. Just make the bid and let's take it from there. If its rejected point blank, then build the SISU stadium or raise the bid.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Assuming you're talking about the Judicial Review then you're possibly not talking to me. I think the JR can't come soon enough - or are you thinking Sisu will lose?

I don't actually know why I'm responding to this post as the chances of you answering are almost nil.

I've given up responding to RFC's posts. When you ask him to clarify one of his comments he ignores you, if you point out a flaw in his comment he ignores you.

At least Grendel has the balls to argue his points, no matter how ridiculous they might be.

 

[limoncello]

So basically the reason people don't want any arbitration is because they hate Sisu. Is that about right?

 

[ccfcway]

So basically the reason people don't want any arbitration is because they hate Sisu. Is that about right?

SISU have said they are building a new stadium
they state they dont posture
they are announcing in 3 weeks the location
they have set up a comittee to discuss the fans view of the new stadium
they are down to 2 sites for the new stadium
they have released drawings of the new stadium
the FL are happy with the progress of the new stadium

why are we not listening to what SISU are telling us ?.

 

[limoncello]

SISU have said they are building a new stadium
they state they dont posture
they are announcing in 3 weeks the location
they have set up a comittee to discuss the fans view of the new stadium
they are down to 2 sites for the new stadium
they have released drawings of the new stadium
the FL are happy with the progress of the new stadium

why are we not listening to what SISU are telling us ?.

I've never heard any of this stuff before. Thanks for sharing.

 

[martcov]

So basically the reason people don't want any arbitration is because they hate Sisu. Is that about right?

No. SISU should assess the value themselves. How much are they losing by not having a share in ACL? Years at Sixfields or the cost and difficulties building a stadium. They were offered a price of 5,5 million. Two years back at the Ricoh as opposed to sixfields would cover that. The Higgs share was 6,5 mil when the lease was 50 years.... Knock off 2 per cent per year gone and use that as a fair guide line for the offer.

 

[limoncello]

No. SISU should assess the value themselves. How much are they losing by not having a share in ACL? Years at Sixfields or the cost and difficulties building a stadium. They were offered a price of 5,5 million. Two years back at the Ricoh as opposed to sixfields would cover that. The Higgs share was 6,5 mil when the lease was 50 years.... Knock off 2 per cent per year gone and use that as a fair guide line for the offer.

I bet you run a large business employing hundreds.

 

[ccfcway]

I've never heard any of this stuff before. Thanks for sharing.

No problems at all.

 

[James Smith]

Arbitration was suggested by Stuart Linnell after a match when Interviewing Tim. Didn't he skirt around the answer and not say yes or no?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

So basically the reason people don't want any arbitration is because they hate Sisu. Is that about right?

Amazed how many buy into the conclusion that an impartial arbiter will automatically grant SISU the ground at a knockdown price, tbh!

 

[martcov]

I bet you run a large business employing hundreds.

Not a large business and not hundreds, but you're on the right track.

 

[limoncello]

Not a large business and not hundreds, but you're on the right track.

You work in a factory and buy most of your clothes from Primark. Am I getting warmer?

 

[sky blue john]

So basically the reason people don't want any arbitration is because they hate Sisu. Is that about right?

No I quiet like the fact that they have kidnapped my club and created a debt that will hamper the club for generations !!!!

 

[martcov]

You work in a factory and buy most of your clothes from Primark. Am I getting warmer?

No.

 

[olderskyblue]

I'd like to hear them.

Because a significant proportion of the fan base would never believe the arbiter could ever be "independent" given paul appletons performance as the administrator.....

Its a reason, maybe not a good one, but how Many would think it was a sisu stooge before we even started?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'd like to hear them.

If it were made binding I have absolutely no problems with it, because the obvious solution to this problem is to unite the club and stadium under one owner and it's a vital part of SISU's exit strategy. However, if CCC have no desire or need to sell up then you can't force it upon them. It would be more than a touch hypocritical for SISU to complain about ACL instigating hostile takeovers to then use an arbitration process to effect one of their own.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Because a significant proportion of the fan base would never believe the arbiter could ever be "independent" given paul appletons performance as the administrator.....

Its a reason, maybe not a good one, but how Many would think it was a sisu stooge before we even started?

tnh it's the most plausible reason yet given!

But then can't we show a lead in moving away from a culture of paranoia?

 

[Houdi]

In which case it would make absolute sense for SISU to get behind a push for such a way forward, as it would justify the spouting off they'd be doing, and demonstrate it was indeed ACL/CCC who were being obstructive and not looking for a solution.

Until we have such a call, however, we have just words, where both sides claim to want resolution, but it's the nasty evil other 'side' who don't want it, honest guv.

But even if SISU were to ask for a resumption of talks which itself is extremely unlikely, then I expect that CCC will just say if your serious about talks then drop the JR, to which SISU will just say no. The relationship between the 2 parties have broken down beyond repair.The only contacts the 2 warring factions have is in court, there has been no meaningful dialogue for months and months, why would you suddenly expect any now. It is almost impossible to imagine anything happening pre June 10th.
To me CCC/ACL would sooner do a deal with the devil than SISU, and will do whatever it takes to avoid that outcome.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But even if SISU were to ask for a resumption of talks which itself is extremely unlikely, then I expect that CCC will just say if your serious about talks then drop the JR, to which SISU will just say no. The relationship between the 2 parties have broken down beyond repair.The only contacts the 2 warring factions have is in court, there has been no meaningful dialogue for months and months, why would you suddenly expect any now. It is almost impossible to imagine anything happening pre June 10th.
To me CCC/ACL would sooner do a deal with the devil than SISU, and will do whatever it takes to avoid that outcome.

ACL's business seems to be coping so far without the club, whereas the club seems hell bent on dismantling itself. They badly need this JR to go in their favour as if it doesn't then Joy has some major grovelling to do, be that to more investors or to the ACL board.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But even if SISU were to ask for a resumption of talks which itself is extremely unlikely, then I expect that CCC will just say if your serious about talks then drop the JR, to which SISU will just say no. The relationship between the 2 parties have broken down beyond repair.The only contacts the 2 warring factions have is in court, there has been no meaningful dialogue for months and months, why would you suddenly expect any now. It is almost impossible to imagine anything happening pre June 10th.
To me CCC/ACL would sooner do a deal with the devil than SISU, and will do whatever it takes to avoid that outcome.

tbh it ain't sudden, I've banged on about this approach since it all started to seriously blow up

It's never too late to talk, someone just needs t pick up the phone and tell the other they love them before they're gone forever and the chance is missed.

 

[Houdi]

tbh it ain't sudden, I've banged on about this approach since it all started to seriously blow up

It's never too late to talk, someone just needs t pick up the phone and tell the other they love them before they're gone forever and the chance is missed.

But unfortunately all the evidence is that it is already too late. Sometime you just have to accept it is just not meant to be.

 

[wingy]

Way too late 18 months to 2yrs too late.

Made their bed and have to" Lie " in It ,and boy have they .

 

[olderskyblue]

tnh it's the most plausible reason yet given!

But then can't we show a lead in moving away from a culture of paranoia?

But then it comes to trust. Trust that someone, in either camp, according to which "side of the fence" you sit on, would actually give the absolute truth/facts that would help this situation, or even show they really do want it to be resolved.

I'd like to think there is some hope somewhere, but I just cannot see it.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't try though.